Ialdabaoth
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Thing is, whether anyone likes it or not, when a country is right next to another country there are inescapable links......particulary economically.
Say the US spent five years on a sort of Marshall plan to fix the Mexican economy. Ten years after that it would more than likely pay for itself. Better trade, less illegal immigration, more stable relations.......all that good stuff.
Hi, Phil. The neighbor analogy wasn't so awful, but we need to be a bit more forthright about the neighbor, and what a complete fucking crook he is. I am much more willing to help make changes to the property next door, than I am to help the "neighbor" (ie. the Mexican government) himself. Why should we talk about dealing with the tall weeds that look like a fire hazard, when the real fire danger is the meth lab in the tool shed? The one he is getting kickbacks from? If we are negligent, it is in allowing such a neighbor to keep living there.
Let's remember that the Marshall Plan was for places that had been completely devestated by war. That before Germany got a dime to rebuild, the Allies kicked their collective ass back into the stone age. All the people on the receiving end had the horrors of defeat and military occupation fresh in their minds. It has been suggested in this thread that the US somehow ought to worry about Mexico declaring war on us. I say that might be a golden opportunity. The Marines have been to the Halls of Montezuma before.
The institutionally corrupt power structure has to fall before Mexico can really step up and join the success of the rest of this continent. An outside military invasion is just one of the ways such a system can end. The others would probably be even bloodier. I don't believe reform from within the existing system is possible. Without such change, we are pretty well stuck where we are. Pouring more money into the cesspool isn't going to clean it up.
I get it. I understand why they come. A decade ago, I didn't like my prospects in one place, so I took a crazy risk and set off for a new life in southern California. I came from the north, and the only lie I had to tell at the border was about a bag of apples. I'd have told bigger ones, or skirted the checkpoint completely if I needed to. (Snipers on the back roads? I'd have gone to Vegas or Seattle instead.) I'll never forget my old co-worker from parts south, so proud on the day he showed up driving a used Mustang convertible he had bought for his teen-age son, (V-6, he wasn't stupid), "When I was 16," he said, "my father couldn't buy me a donkey."
We agree, Phil. The problem is Mexico. How we fix it is where the discussion gets lively.
Of course, cutting off the money supply would go a long ways towards forcing the Mexican people to correct their governmental problems.
Draining all the useful people north would help, too.
The biggest thing to do, I think, would be to get rid of the billions of dollars that marijuana smuggling pumps through the borders. Of course, the failures of the drug war have shown that you can't do that through prohibition, and the idea of legal, locally-grown American marijuana absolutely terrifies most people, so we all know that'll never happen.
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