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bamabbwsub -> RE: Fox News tells us why!! (6/21/2009 10:26:17 AM)

[8|]  Oh, great.  Yet another article for lazy parents to read and point to as to why they don't discipline their children.  "But if I spank him, he'll become a sexual deviant."  Great.  We'll see you at Wal-Mart...  [8|]



mdr080480 -> RE: Fox News tells us why!! (6/21/2009 11:41:28 AM)

Without reading the article. I was never spanked as a child. Is that why I seek it now? Maybe my childhood was too ordinary so I need something unusual or far from the norm now? 



Kalista07 -> RE: Fox News tells us why!! (6/21/2009 11:48:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bamabbwsub

[8|]  Oh, great.  Yet another article for lazy parents to read and point to as to why they don't discipline their children.  "But if I spank him, he'll become a sexual deviant."  Great.  We'll see you at Wal-Mart...  [8|]


i guess i need some clarification....i'm not sure where in this article it indicates parents who don't want to spank their children are *lazy*.  Many parents make the decision not to spank their children (for a variety of reasons) and my experience is those that do not engage in spanking their children are far from lazy...
Kali



LadyEllen -> RE: Fox News tells us why!! (6/21/2009 6:06:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GYPZYQUEEN

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

notions of "spare the rod...." perhaps most well known amongst a whole host of other supporting references.
QED

E


most well know and MOST misinterpreted..
SPARE( as from the BIBLE lang in was in)
 was using a word meant  to PUT AWAY

Put the rod away and spoil..spoil ( again a misinterpretation)FROM a word for nurture...
so many words twisted..
 
also "suffer not a poisoner( gossip..heretic) to live"
was changed to witch..ALL ENGLISH translations!
 
 
GQ


and yet this is the version we are taught and brought up with - and it is not for us to then pick and choose to interpret that which it means by reference to actual facts to suit our own purpose.

unless of course our purpose is to mock Fox news

even if some totally miss the point

E



SinsCaptain -> RE: Fox News tells us why!! (6/21/2009 8:48:04 PM)


Fox / USA Today

Thanks for explaining things in such a neat, simple to understand manner.

I wish the rest of the world was a straight-forward as we deviants.



NihilusZero -> RE: Fox News tells us why!! (6/21/2009 9:56:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kalista07

quote:

ORIGINAL: bamabbwsub

[8|]  Oh, great.  Yet another article for lazy parents to read and point to as to why they don't discipline their children.  "But if I spank him, he'll become a sexual deviant."  Great.  We'll see you at Wal-Mart...  [8|]


i guess i need some clarification....i'm not sure where in this article it indicates parents who don't want to spank their children are *lazy*.  Many parents make the decision not to spank their children (for a variety of reasons) and my experience is those that do not engage in spanking their children are far from lazy...
Kali


Echo here.

There are certainly plenty of parents that are lazy at disciplining their children...but resorting to corporal punishment makes no one any less "lazy" and would more arguably be described as more lazy.



DemonKia -> RE: Fox News tells us why!! (6/21/2009 10:20:39 PM)

FR, after read thru

*sigh* . .. . I'm kinda reluctant to share my experience, but I'm feeling the passion, so . . . . .

I spanked the now-adult offspring, & I gave it up when they were school age cuz it was proving to be a less effective & more problematic way of disciplining them . . . . & it was more work to discipline them without the (mild) violence & threats thereof . . . . The (mild) violence & threats tended only to produce disrespect & acting out in the long run . . . . . There are much more effective ways of disciplining ums, but usually they take more involvement & work on the parents' part, not less . . . . .

That 'not spanking is lazy parenting' thing always makes me think of the parent I knew who threw a shoe at hir offspring as part of hir discipline repertoire (which was focused around mild physical violence & threats of same), cuz xhe didn't wanna get up & go deal with whatever it was they were doing . . . . . . Not to mention the many many parents I've encountered over the years who use yelling in the same way & towards the same effect . . . .

As to the OP:

Leaving aside the topic of 'problematic sexuality', I'll note that this issue is much discussed in the anti-child-abuse community . . . . For example:

http://www.nospank.net/s-dugan5.htm

& more generally, the linkage between childhood spanking & adult sexual choices (amongst other stuff) is a topic found in many of the articles listed here:

http://www.nospank.net/101.htm

Since something on the order of 96% of US adults report having been spanked as children, yep, any correlatives are gonna be pretty soft . . . . .

All social science studies are 'questionable' if compared with the 'hard sciences' -- social science connections are way more complicated to establish / demonstrate / 'prove' than anything related to, say, the periodic table, as humans operate on hundreds, even thousands of levels; ie, physics is 'easy' & 'simple' compared with extracting robustly predictive theories about human behavior . . . . . Just getting people to answer sensitive questions honestly is a whole technology in itself, for instance . . . . . .

& before we get to the 'I was spanked & I turned out just fine' line of defense I gotta point out that plenty of severely abused kids turn out fine, but that's poor justification for severely abusing kids, or even just spanking . . .. . lol

Ah, & for those who'd actually like to imbibe of some well-thought-out thinking about the connection between childhood treatment & the consequences to the resulting adults, check out:

http://www.psychohistory.com/

In particular I recommend starting with:

The Evolution of Childrearing

Childhood and Cultural Evolution

The Psychogenic Theory of History

In my not-so-humble Lloyd DeMause is the Freud of our times . .. . . . Your mileage may, of course, vary . . . . .



sweetsub1957 -> RE: Fox News tells us why!! (6/21/2009 10:20:49 PM)

~Fast Reply~
So does being spanked as a child more often cause adults to be spankers or spankees?  Sir and i both had Oour asses beat as children and i love to be spanked.  i would not DARE try to spank HIM.  lmao



ReverendAnders -> RE: Fox News tells us why!! (6/22/2009 5:09:10 AM)

Hmmmm... I was never spanked, but still am an enthusiastic and happy little switch... how about that?

Come on, they're still putting this theory forward after all this time?... You must be jokinh.



breatheasone -> RE: Fox News tells us why!! (6/22/2009 6:16:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kalista07

quote:

ORIGINAL: bamabbwsub

[8|]  Oh, great.  Yet another article for lazy parents to read and point to as to why they don't discipline their children.  "But if I spank him, he'll become a sexual deviant."  Great.  We'll see you at Wal-Mart...  [8|]


i guess i need some clarification....i'm not sure where in this article it indicates parents who don't want to spank their children are *lazy*.  Many parents make the decision not to spank their children (for a variety of reasons) and my experience is those that do not engage in spanking their children are far from lazy...
Kali


Then you have been fortunate.....



SimplyMichael -> RE: Fox News tells us why!! (6/22/2009 6:56:46 AM)

The researchers are confusing correlation with causation.  I would bet that many of those same parents are lower income and have less education and shock and surprise - poor parenting skills!

While I believe the occasional smack on the ass is good for  kid, those who use spanking frequently probably lack basic parental skills and probably have trouble dealing with emotions and are lashing out at their kids, a rather basic recipe for a dysfunctional adult.  Now I haven't looked up the methodology behind the studies that are the basis of this article but unless they controlled for things like parenting skills and abuse, the results are meaningless.  Since they say it was a review of other people's work, I find it highly unlikely they did.

I am in the last year of getting my degree in psychology at a university and every time I read studies about sexuality I want to scream.  The blatantly obvious stupidity in many of them shocks me.



xBullx -> RE: Fox News tells us why!! (6/22/2009 7:40:00 AM)

-fast reply-

I wonder what type of sexual side effects the "time out" will inspire...    ?



cpK69 -> RE: Fox News tells us why!! (6/22/2009 7:41:19 AM)

~fr~

Without the insinuation that parenting skills has anything to do with the amount of money one has, dumbasses come rich, poor, and anywhere in between; I agree the report is a crock of shit.

There is absolutely no correlation between my orientation as a ‘s’, my interest as such, and the way my parents handled what they felt was ‘bad’ behavior. If anything, their approach was the cause of my staying away from being in situations, where I would be vulnerable to someone else’s judgment.
 
I find it amusing that these people feel a need to try to figure it out, and because it is something they can’t relate to, there must be something wrong with those who it pertains to.

The results of abusive parenting, more times than not, is abusive parenting; not sexual orientation and interests in that subject.

Kim



modmike -> RE: Fox News tells us why!! (7/11/2009 6:34:37 PM)

wow, just hope they don't try to find a cure:)



viewingthesite11 -> RE: Fox News tells us why!! (7/11/2009 6:42:08 PM)

All of you guys are just trying to shun bad light on fox news lmao. If you read the article on FOX news they use a source known as USA today [:'(]. But, none the less I don't think me getting spanked by my dad as a young child is the reason why I am the way i am sexually. [8|]



thetammyjo -> RE: Fox News tells us why!! (7/12/2009 6:51:36 AM)

If this were the case, wouldn't normal sexuality then be "kinky" sexuality? I think before very recent times being spanked or beaten was quite common for punishment of children.



slaveboyforyou -> RE: Fox News tells us why!! (7/13/2009 4:39:13 PM)

FR:

This isn't exactly a new finding in the study conducted. I've heard this for years. I was spanked, more so in school than at home. But I got at least one paddling every year until I was in the 9th grade. By high school, they simply started handing out Saturday detentions rather than 3 wacks with a paddle made in wood shop [:D]. Frankly, I would have rather got the paddling. It was a lot quicker than spending 4 hours of my Saturday copying definitions out of the dictionary.

Now at home, my mother was the one more likely to deal out corporal punishment. She would just get pissed when my brother and I were fighting or being general pains and start wailing on us with a wooden spoon, fly swatter, or whatever else was at hand. We had to do something pretty bad for dad to come home and get the ole belt out.

I don't know if those experiences caused the development of my sexual tastes. I'm sure I could spend years sitting in a shrink's office figuring it out. But my sexuality doesn't cause problems for me in my daily life, so I don't see it as a problem.



BeingChewsie -> RE: Fox News tells us why!! (7/13/2009 5:13:27 PM)

Quick reply:

Am I the only way who had the overwhelming urge to call up Mom and Dad and say THANK YOU for spanking me as a child!? Thank you, thank you thank you. [:D]



Eraser -> RE: Fox News tells us why!! (7/16/2009 6:27:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Asherdelampyr

This is virtually the same as the whole Video games to violence thing
it looks like what my psych instructor used to call ecneics ((Yes that is science spelled backwards)) where they started with a conclusion and then backtracked to get what they wanted




My sentiments exactly.  And I just love how they call it "sexual problems" but one must remember that this is faux news, and that anything but missionary sex after marriage is a problem to the american taliban.



amaidiamond -> RE: Fox News tells us why!! (7/19/2009 5:37:38 PM)

Ooooh so THATS why i'm a submissive masochist...right...the purpose of life becomes clear.... wait - i got spanked maybe twice.... something doesnt add up



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