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On viewing the video, it definitely looks like the big issue people are making out of this is based on sexism. Had the sexes been different no one would care as this was a minor and, were she not female, not a rude exchange at all. The perceived poor manners are coming entirely from the fact she is a female considered to have stepped out of her place.
What do you base that on? I have no idea where you're getting that.
Really? Really?
Let's flip through the pages, shall we?
And this is just from our little ol' three page BBS thread. I'm not even pulling from the dozens of news sources and commentary sources out there covering this. It takes a lot of self-delusion to not see this is about a woman being "uppity" with a man.
And this all doesn't even tap into the rich vein of bullshit that is the idea of him being a general according him special consideration.
Aidan, you might want to dial back the adrenaline a little bit. Just a word of friendly advice. Something seems to be getting in the way of your reasoning, and I'm thinking it might be the emotional investment you seem to have taken in this issue. At any rate, your argument here is a shambles.
Let's break it down. The assertion I challenged was "Had the sexes been different no one would care as this was a minor and, were she not female, not a rude exchange at all. The perceived poor manners are coming entirely from the fact she is a female considered to have stepped out of her place."
In support of that assertion, you list 4 examples of posts from this thread. 4 posts out of 45. Of the 4 examples you list, 1 of them is a simple observation from CatdeMedici. Are you going to seriously suggest that Cat is picking on Boxer because she thinks Boxer is an uppity woman who needs to be slapped down? If you really have the stones to drag Cat into this and accuse her of being a sexist, you're a braver man than I am, and I'll pay money to watch the aftermath of that. But before you do, I'd really suggest you spend a little more time thinking about your argument than you did before you made this last post, because I don't think it'll be pretty.
So, if we agree that you're going to do the smart thing and back away from that one, it leaves 3. Of the remaining 3, the one from girlygurl can best be described as an apparent accusation that the general was being sexist. If you can offer a rational explanation of why an accusation that the general is a sexist can possibly be construed as a sexist attack on Boxer, be my guest.
So, assuming you're not going to bother trying to make that argument (because I really think you have more sense than to even try that), we're now left with 2 examples from your original 4. 2 posters insulted the Senator, using the word "cunt"and the word "bitch."
OK, strong words. I don't know if I've ever in my life used either word to refer to a woman, and I certainly wouldn't in this case. But the fact that I wouldn't use those words to insult a woman doesn't mean i agree that using them is automatically a sexist insult, any more than calling a man a "dick" or a "bastard" is a sexist insult. I've always found that to be a weak argument, a politically correct double standard. But if you want to hang your entire argument on those 2 insults, I'll be magnanimous and give 'em to you. I won't go so far as to say i agree with you, or that I'm persuaded by the argument - I don't agree, and i don't respect the argument because it's intellectually weak. But I'll give it to you in the sense that I'll acknowledge you sincerely believe it's a valid argument.
And I can afford to give it to you, because it doesn't even come close to proving your point. Remember, the original assertion was that "the perceived poor manners are coming entirely from the fact she is a female considered to have stepped out of her place." Right? So unless you seriously believe that out of 45 posts, 1 post calling Boxer a bitch and another 1 calling her a cunt proves that the criticism of Boxer is entirely driven by a sexist effort to put the woman back in her place, I think you need to take a long hard look at just whose argument is an example of self-delusion.
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