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rulemylife -> McCain: Obama has 'done well' as president so far (6/21/2009 1:41:00 PM)
McCain evaluates Obama WASHINGTON – Sen. John McCain says his opponent in last year's presidential campaign, Barack Obama, has "done well" in his first five months in the White House. The Arizona Republican says that using a legislative scorecard to judge the presidency so far, Obama has achieved all his legislative goals. On the down side, McCain says that Obama's successes in Congress have come with little or no Republican support.

TheHeretic -> RE: McCain: Obama has 'done well' as president so far (6/21/2009 2:02:31 PM)
What a classy thing for McCain to do.

KenDckey592 -> RE: McCain: Obama has 'done well' as president so far (6/21/2009 2:55:04 PM)
He did what he said but can we afford it?

rulemylife -> RE: McCain: Obama has 'done well' as president so far (6/21/2009 3:48:43 PM)
Yeah, I thought so too. Reminds you of the old McCain before he got so caught up in winning the Presidency he was barely recognizable.

DarkSteven -> RE: McCain: Obama has 'done well' as president so far (6/21/2009 3:53:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Yeah, I thought so too. Reminds you of the old McCain before he got so caught up in winning the Presidency he was barely recognizable. I hope so. It would be nice to have a statesman who will rise above the partisan crap.

LadyEllen -> RE: McCain: Obama has 'done well' as president so far (6/21/2009 4:38:50 PM)
One is tempted to call it a back handed compliment - however good for him; the future of the Republican party lies with people like him, not with blowhards and the lowest common denominators. Its unlikely he'd have won even if he had maintained his prior positioning rather than apparently having his hand forced by those controlling his party - the momentum was with Obama on the strength of history - but it is clear he should have done better than that which his campaign as it turned out deserved. E

DomKen -> RE: McCain: Obama has 'done well' as president so far (6/21/2009 5:11:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen One is tempted to call it a back handed compliment - however good for him; the future of the Republican party lies with people like him, not with blowhards and the lowest common denominators. Its unlikely he'd have won even if he had maintained his prior positioning rather than apparently having his hand forced by those controlling his party - the momentum was with Obama on the strength of history - but it is clear he should have done better than that which his campaign as it turned out deserved. E Realistically McCain lost as much because of his mistakes as for anything Obama did or was, although I do think Obama's street level campaign is now the model to beat. McCain clearly had problems with his base. Every party relies on the base for the volunteers and money that makes a campaign possible. He had positioned himself as a moderate prior to 2000 and he had been beaten quite savagely in the primaries. So he courted the base which inevtiably alienated the moderates which were his natural constituency. However the party faithful were never really convinced that he was one of them. Choosing Palin was clearly an attempt to pander to the base as well as a very unsophisticated attempt at playing gender politics against racial politics. While it energized the base somewhat, and more for her and not him, it further alienated the moderates. His actions surrounding the financial crisis was a transparent attempt to paint himself as a dynamic leader. However the closer the enire incident was examined the more it looked like showboating and an attempt to avoid appearing side by side with Obama. Then of course he allowed the tone of his campaign to get downright nasty. This may have helped with his party base but moderates were turned off. His campaign staff and operation was chaotic which affected all sorts of things negatively.

maletpeslave -> RE: McCain: Obama has 'done well' as president so far (6/21/2009 5:23:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen Its unlikely he'd have won even if he had maintained his prior positioning rather than apparently having his hand forced by those controlling his party - the momentum was with Obama on the strength of history - but it is clear he should have done better than that which his campaign as it turned out deserved. E A huge reason Obama won was because a certain constituency voted 99% for the Dems rather than the traditional 90%, with much higher than usual turnout. That and the economy (duh), which combined with the Republicans picking McCain over Romney (who would have been more ready for the economy blowing up) decided the election months before it happened.

DomKen -> RE: McCain: Obama has 'done well' as president so far (6/21/2009 5:32:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: maletpeslave A huge reason Obama won was because a certain constituency voted 99% for the Dems rather than the traditional 90% No such constituency exists.

LadyEllen -> RE: McCain: Obama has 'done well' as president so far (6/21/2009 5:36:54 PM)
Indeed; why use a few words when a few paragraphs will do!? E

maletpeslave -> RE: McCain: Obama has 'done well' as president so far (6/21/2009 5:39:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: maletpeslave A huge reason Obama won was because a certain constituency voted 99% for the Dems rather than the traditional 90% No such constituency exists. LOL.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: McCain: Obama has 'done well' as president so far (6/21/2009 5:59:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: maletpeslave quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen Its unlikely he'd have won even if he had maintained his prior positioning rather than apparently having his hand forced by those controlling his party - the momentum was with Obama on the strength of history - but it is clear he should have done better than that which his campaign as it turned out deserved. E A huge reason Obama won was because a certain constituency voted 99% for the Dems rather than the traditional 90%, with much higher than usual turnout. Well then, McCain must have been an even bigger fuckup than we thought if the only people he could get to vote for him were white people. Or wasn't that the point you were trying to make?

rulemylife -> RE: McCain: Obama has 'done well' as president so far (6/21/2009 6:07:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: maletpeslave A huge reason Obama won was because a certain constituency voted 99% for the Dems rather than the traditional 90%, with much higher than usual turnout. To begin, if you're going to break this down into racial terms at least have the balls to say what you are talking about and not use cute little euphemisms like "a certain constituency". Second, depending on what source the estimate is 92-96% of blacks voted for Obama. In 2004, roughly 88% voted for Kerry. So it's hard to argue the vote was based on race and not on politics. But let's use your numbers and your argument that Obama won because of increased support from the black community. A 9% increase in votes from a population of 13.4% of the entire country, many of whom were not registered voters or who did not vote, does not account for his winning margin. "As of July 1, 2004, the estimated population of black residents in the United States, including those of more than one race. They made up 13.4 percent of the total U.S. population." <http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/population/005164.html>

Cagey18 -> RE: McCain: Obama has 'done well' as president so far (6/21/2009 6:33:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Second, depending on what source the estimate is 92-96% of blacks voted for Obama. In 2004, roughly 88% voted for Kerry. So it's hard to argue the vote was based on race and not on politics. Not to mention that President Obama got a higher percentage of white voters than either Kerry or Gore. Or Clinton in his first term. Still, "certain people" will cling to their belief that "those people" put Obama in the White House. [8\|]

OrionTheWolf -> RE: McCain: Obama has 'done well' as president so far (6/21/2009 6:38:01 PM)
It must have been some traditional enemies that caused it ;).

BKSir -> RE: McCain: Obama has 'done well' as president so far (6/21/2009 6:44:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: maletpeslave A huge reason Obama won was because a certain constituency voted 99% for the Dems rather than the traditional 90%, with much higher than usual turnout. A certain constituency? Now, I know you're catching flack for this one, but, I will flat out say what that "certain constituency" was. People sick of the bullshit we've been dealing with for the last 8+ years. ;)

TheHeretic -> RE: McCain: Obama has 'done well' as president so far (6/21/2009 8:40:32 PM)
It wasn't the black turnout that put Obama over the top, Malet (though an unintended consequence here in CA was the passage of the Prop 8 anti-gay marriage amendment to the CA Constitution). Any Republican was a long shot in the last cycle. As I saw it, the mis-handling of the economic crisis was where McCain lost. 53-47% wasn't a blow-out, no matter how people try to spin the interpretation. Ken, your characterization of McC taking the campaign ugly is very unfair. I would encourage you to google up the video of him telling a crowd that wanted to hear it go that way, that Obama was a Christian, and a good man. Being a sore winner in '08 is just as offensive as remaining a sore loser from '00 and '04.

kdsub -> RE: McCain: Obama has 'done well' as president so far (6/21/2009 8:44:25 PM)
His comment is why I did not think he was presidential material... Not that the comment in itself is bad..only that a few months ago he was saying the opposite. The man has always changed his mind at the drop of a hat...We didn't need a wishie washie president. Butch

TheHeretic -> RE: McCain: Obama has 'done well' as president so far (6/21/2009 8:51:19 PM)
So you haven't noticed how many of President Obama's earliest and most passionate supporters, say the anti-war bundle for a quick example, have been tossed under the bus since he took office? McCain chose one yardstick to measure by. He could have very easily come at it with a different stick and been brutal in his evaluation.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: McCain: Obama has 'done well' as president so far (6/21/2009 9:53:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Ken, your characterization of McC taking the campaign ugly is very unfair. I would encourage you to google up the video of him telling a crowd that wanted to hear it go that way, that Obama was a Christian, and a good man. Can you google two? Because that one incident, where he finally just couldn't hold his nose and take any more of the vicious, racist, hateful crap he'd been allowing in his name for months just doesn't mean shit. How many videos do you want us to google showing McCain supporters shouting racist insults while Palin ignored them or even egged them on? McCain and his handlers ran one of the sleaziest campaigns since Richard Nixon, and in bragging about being a "pitbull in lipstick" Palin herself tacitly admitted that her primary role on the ticket was to elevate the attacks while using her gender to shield herself from counterattacks. The character assassinations, the thinly veiled racism, the overt racism - the worst I've seen in 40 years, and as the candidate at the head of the ticket, McCain bears full responsibility for that despicable behavior. That one time in Minnesota, where he finally couldn't take any more and did the right thing for the first time in the whole campaign, doesn't come close to cancelling out the hateful tone he allowed to continue in his name for all those months before that. Fuck him. He's doing a somewhat decent thing now by admitting the obvious, but at his age he can't possibly live long enough to live down the kind of campaign he was responsible for last year.

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