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DedicatedDom40 -> Should Sanford resign like Spitzer did? (6/25/2009 7:46:56 AM)
Or will there be a double standard based on party affiliation? 69% of South Carolinians think he should http://www.thestate.com/sanford/story/839880.html

LaTigresse -> RE: Should Sanford resign like Spitzer did? (6/25/2009 7:56:58 AM)
I think that is up to the people that voted for him. I wouldn't have so it would be a moot point.

Louve00 -> RE: Should Sanford resign like Spitzer did? (6/25/2009 8:54:59 AM)
I'd tend to lean more to LaTigresse' opinion and say it would be up to the people he is representing. As long as he did nothing illegal (like Spitzer did), then it truly would be up to the people he represents and his moral attitude towards it.

DedicatedDom40 -> RE: Should Sanford resign like Spitzer did? (6/25/2009 9:47:31 AM)
I think 'illegal' in the context of Spitzer is pretty arbitrary, dependant upon where society draws lines. How did we come to acknowledging that prostitution sex between 2 consenting adults that doesnt violate the public trust being deemed illegal, while sex between 2 consenting adults that doesnt involve prostitution but DOES violate the public trust is deemed not illegal? Splitting hairs between 'mistress' and 'prostitute' doesnt really matter with respect to the crime against public trust.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Should Sanford resign like Spitzer did? (6/25/2009 10:53:44 AM)
Splitting hairs? You mean like the difference between a politician and a thief? They both take out money without asking. Breaking a law is not splitting a hair, it is breaking a law. Now concerning the OP, LaTigresse answered pretty well and I choose her answer.

Mezrem -> RE: Should Sanford resign like Spitzer did? (6/25/2009 10:58:02 AM)
As one of the people in the state of SC, yes he needs to step down. I say this not beause he had an affair but because he abandoned his job. For five days we had no one at the helm. If there had been a problem there would have been no one here to even speak for him.

servantforuse -> RE: Should Sanford resign like Spitzer did? (6/25/2009 11:04:23 AM)
He could resign like Spitzer did, or stay in office like Clinton did..

charlestonscmilk -> RE: Should Sanford resign like Spitzer did? (6/25/2009 11:08:21 AM)
I am a citizen of the state of South Carolina.I spent some time Wednesday speculating on the whereabouts of our Governor, Mark Sanford. Then I spent a few more hours gloating, and taking in all the lurid details about where he had been, and with whom. I opined with friends some really not very nice things.Along about dinner time, I came to the realization, that I would not want anyone to know the worst thing/things I've ever done and I certainly would not want it to be fodder for idle gossip and fuel for the 24 hour news cycle.I am sorry for my unkind thoughts and words. I am sorry for Mrs Sanford, as well as Governor Sanford. I am sorry for the as of yet un-named paramour.And I am truly sorry for all the children involved. It struck me as I was trying to be less judgmental, that Mr Sanford must care very deeply for this woman to risk so much to be with her. I am sure many of us have experienced the ache that comes from not being able to give expression to our feelings. He must also on some level feel love and gratitude to his wife Jenny. They have four healthy sons and a twenty year marriage.I am not condoning or condemning what Mr Sanford has done. It is not my place to do so.I just know that living this life is hard sometimes, and because of that we often times make poor choices.A Good Book says, "...for all have sinned and fallen short of the mark. "Sinned," could mean we broke our own moral code or we did 50 miles an hour in a school zone. As this story continues to unwind, I am going to try to keep showing compassion for the Governor, his wife, his children, the other woman and her children as well. I have been learning a method of clearing negative energy called, "ho'oponopono." Ho'oponopono is an ancient Hawaiian art of healing. Basically you need to realize that everything around you is not really outside you, but inside. You are making everything in this world happen. You are 100 percent responsible for everything in your life. You are 100 percent responsible for all the problems you've encountered. The loose definition of Ho‘oponopono is "to set things right". Since you are the sole creator of your entire existence, you have the power to create whatever "right" world that you want to live in, and you can do it by simply saying and believing these 4 simple phrases. I am sorry Please forgive me I love you Thank you Now, many of us will say, "I did nothing to cause Mark Sanford to leave the state, cheat on his wife or lie about his whereabouts." If we believe we are all ONE. Then we are all One, all the time. In the area of problem solving: (or forgiveness) the world is a reflection of what is happening inside us. If you are experiencing upset or imbalance, the place to look is inside yourself, not outside at the object you perceive as causing your problem. Every stress, imbalance or illness can be corrected just by working on yourself. Write down the name of anyone you have an issue with, and then just work on yourself. You must cleanse your judgments, beliefs, attitudes and ask the Divinity what you can do for the person. As those attachments and memories are cleansed, the person improves. All that was required, is an appeal to the divine creator of our choice "through the divinity that is within each person ... who is really an extension of the divine creator." Perhaps we can try to operate our lives and our relationships according to the following insights: 1. The physical universe is an actualization of my thoughts. 2. If my thoughts are cancerous, they create a cancerous physical reality. 3. If my thoughts are perfect, they create a physical reality brimming with LOVE. 4. I am 100% responsible for creating my physical universe the way it is. 5. I am 100% responsible for correcting the cancerous thoughts that create a diseased reality. 6. There is no such thing as out there. Everything exists as thoughts in my mind. Ho’oponopono is an updated version of an ancient Hawaiian problem solving process of repentance, forgiveness and transmutation. Do not judge and you will not be judged. Do not condemn and You will not be condemned. Forgive and you will be forgiven. Jesus as reported in Luke 6 I am sure not everyone will or can embrace this healing/clearing method, but I invite you to try it even in a small area of conflict in your life. You may be amazed at the results.And send a little good energy to the Sanfords. One of the wisest women I know, told me once, You must forgive, because forgiveness is giving ourselves piece of mind. We all need that, especially when we feel that we are the least deserving of it. Namaste,msmilk

DedicatedDom40 -> RE: Should Sanford resign like Spitzer did? (6/25/2009 11:53:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf Splitting hairs? You mean like the difference between a politician and a thief? They both take out money without asking. Breaking a law is not splitting a hair, it is breaking a law. I certainly dont classify prostitution (or pot smoking, or...) on the same level as grand larceny. And I dont think the general public does, either. Yes, its breaking the law, but like I said, many laws are arbitrary and many laws dont make sense with their hypocracy. Why would we classify a prostituttion rap as more 'criminal' than failing the public trust by someone on that elected level? To me, the bigger crime is the latter, not the former. The 'illegal' prostitution angle didnt matter for Vitter or Craig (who are still in office), so why should it matter with Spitzer? I also think the situation involves only the people of South Carolina when the person's political influence is contained with that state's borders. Is that really the case here? With him being the (now ex-) head of the Republican Governors Association and possessing such naked presidential aspirations? You seriously think it only affects them?

DedicatedDom40 -> RE: Should Sanford resign like Spitzer did? (6/25/2009 12:14:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse He could resign like Spitzer did, or stay in office like Clinton did.. That indeed is the big question. Will he be a man like Spitzer, or a selfish pussy like Clinton, Vitter, and Craig.

KenDckey592 -> RE: Should Sanford resign like Spitzer did? (6/25/2009 12:31:49 PM)
I too think it is up to the people of SC. They voted him in, they can push for whatever they want. I don't believe it is up to the rest of us to decide.

DedicatedDom40 -> RE: Should Sanford resign like Spitzer did? (6/25/2009 12:57:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey592 I don't believe it is up to the rest of us to decide. NOT so when connections and aspirations beyond the state's borders are in play. Thats why Paula Jones was a national story for an asipiring Arkansas Governor, and not simply an issue for the people of Arkansas.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Should Sanford resign like Spitzer did? (6/25/2009 2:17:54 PM)
quote: NOT so when connections and aspirations beyond the state's borders are in play. Thats why Paula Jones was a national story for an asipiring Arkansas Governor, and not simply an issue for the people of Arkansas. Paula Jones came up while Clinton was running for the Presidency. Paula Jones had filed a sexual harrassment lawsuit against Clinton. Last time I checked, Sanford isn't running for a national office. He hasn't officially said if he was going to run for a national office or not; there has only been chatter from politics junkies. Sanford isn't being sued by his lover for sexual harrassment. It is not the business of anyone besides South Carolina citizens. I could care less if he resigns or not; it doesn't affect me one bit.

Asherdelampyr -> RE: Should Sanford resign like Spitzer did? (6/25/2009 2:37:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DedicatedDom40 quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey592 I don't believe it is up to the rest of us to decide. NOT so when connections and aspirations beyond the state's borders are in play. Thats why Paula Jones was a national story for an asipiring Arkansas Governor, and not simply an issue for the people of Arkansas. If and when he decides to run for a national office, then it will be an issue for those outside state borders. A few people saying he wants to do something, and him actually trying to do it are two very different things. As far as the Prostitution bit, I believe that prostitution should be legal, so that it can be safely regulated, since it is going to happen anyway. However at this point in the state he was elected to represent it is Illegal. As an Elected rep of that state, and by extension the very laws that State has passed it is his DUTY to follow those laws to serve as an example. Spitzer did not live up to that duty. Adultery, while morally reprehensible, is also, to the best of my knowledge not illegal. You may see it as two sides of the same coin, but when there is a clearly drawn line in place before the event it tends to change things. The real question I believe his constituents will have to face is what sort of an impact was made when he abandoned his post for so long, no matter the reason why.

Louve00 -> RE: Should Sanford resign like Spitzer did? (6/25/2009 4:09:08 PM)
Well, if you don't live in Nevada, prostition may be legal. I don't know if other states call it a legal profession (the oldest, yes...but I've known prostitutes that were arrested for the deed, I've seen them set up by undercovers for it. It's not legal in NY. That's probably why we acknowledge it as a violation...illegal. I don't care who fucks who...or how it affects the spouses they cheat on. Its not nice, but its their decision. When they do it illegally though, why should they be exempt? And how does it justify a criminal holding a public office? The only time splitting hairs between a mistress and a prostitute matters is in the exchange of money. Spitzer paid for that piece. Over and over and over again.

Louve00 -> RE: Should Sanford resign like Spitzer did? (6/25/2009 4:18:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DedicatedDom40 I certainly dont classify prostitution (or pot smoking, or...) on the same level as grand larceny. And I dont think the general public does, either. Yes, its breaking the law, but like I said, many laws are arbitrary and many laws dont make sense with their hypocracy. Why would we classify a prostituttion rap as more 'criminal' than failing the public trust by someone on that elected level? To me, the bigger crime is the latter, not the former. The 'illegal' prostitution angle didnt matter for Vitter or Craig (who are still in office), so why should it matter with Spitzer? Unfortunately, you or I don't make the laws, nor are we able to decide which are lesser than others. Upholding the law, I would expect, would be a duty of someone serving in politics. From what I am hearing, right now, they are deciding whether Sanford broke any laws by not handing over power to second in charge, since he was leaving the country. You play, you pay...whatever they decide the price is, not the offender. But again, if he's done nothing illegal, then I don't really care at this point. If he gets involved in something that matters to me, it might matter...or at the very least, would consider his credibility.

Vendaval -> RE: Should Sanford resign like Spitzer did? (6/25/2009 4:26:32 PM)
I am also in favor of letting the people of SC decide whether or not he should step down.

DomImus -> RE: Should Sanford resign like Spitzer did? (6/25/2009 4:30:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DedicatedDom40 I think 'illegal' in the context of Spitzer is pretty arbitrary, dependant upon where society draws lines. How did we come to acknowledging that prostitution sex between 2 consenting adults that doesnt violate the public trust being deemed illegal, while sex between 2 consenting adults that doesnt involve prostitution but DOES violate the public trust is deemed not illegal? Splitting hairs between 'mistress' and 'prostitute' doesnt really matter with respect to the crime against public trust. Soliciting prostitutes across states lines and wiring money across state lines for same. This is not splitting hairs. If he stays in Manhattan and bangs a Manhattan call girl then the details are different. He didn't. Clinton set the sleaze bag benchmark. Spitzer at least had the balls to resign. If Sanford hadn't ducked out for a week it would be different story, too. It's not so much that he had an affair - it's the manner in which he had it.

MarsBonfire -> RE: Should Sanford resign like Spitzer did? (6/25/2009 5:44:01 PM)
I'm perfectly comfy with the idea of any and all republicans resigning in shame and humiliation. But, it's not my state... so SC can do whatever it likes. You know, compare this silly little affair to that of the French President who had a bevy of 18 year olds, was caught on camera, and some of his party attendees requiring black bozes to be overlaid their parts... and he got his wife to apologize to HIM, and the people of France for bringing up a private matter like this... now THAT'S a DOM!!!

pahunkboy -> RE: Should Sanford resign like Spitzer did? (6/25/2009 6:00:37 PM)
NO! They are not doing their job unless they get busted!

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