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Cheney was right after all - 6/30/2009 7:51:39 AM

rulemylife

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For anyone who has watched Cheney's self-congratulatory tour of media outlets in recent weeks I think it's helpful to have a dose of reality.

CHENEY: The Middle East expert, Professor Fouad Ajami, predicts that after liberation, the streets in Basra and Baghdad are sure to erupt in joy...
(Leading To War :: a film that chronicles the path to war in Iraq)

(Videotape, March 16, 2003):

VICE PRES. CHENEY: I think things have gotten so bad inside Iraq from the standpoint of the Iraqi people, my belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators.

MR. RUSSERT: If your analysis is not correct and we’re not treated as liberators but as conquerors and the Iraqis begin to resist particularly in Baghdad, do you think the American people are prepared for a long, costly and bloody battle with significant American casualties?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, I don’t think it’s unlikely to unfold that way, Tim, because I really do believe we will be greeted as liberators. I’ve talked with a lot of Iraqis in the last several months myself, had them to the White House. The president and I have met with various groups and individuals, people who’ve devoted their lives from the outside to try and change things inside of Iraq.

The read we get on the people of Iraq is there’s no question but what they want to get rid of Saddam Hussein and they will welcome as liberators the United States when we come to do that. ( Meet the Press)

He was right about "the streets erupting in joy".

Only a few years late and for the wrong reason.

Iraqis celebrate U.S. troop pullback - USATODAY.com

It was just a week ago that two of his brothers were killed in a bombing in a crowded market, but Haider Abbas Ali put his sorrow aside Monday to celebrate the departure of most U.S. troops from the capital and other Iraqi cities.

"Their presence has brought nothing good. It is long past the time for the Americans to leave," said Ali, who draped himself in an Iraqi flag as he danced with friends prior to Iraqi security forces taking control Tuesday.

Thousands of Iraqis gathered in central Baghdad's Zawra Park for a concert to mark the milestone that is part of a security pact that will also require all U.S. combat forces to leave Iraq by Aug. 31, 2010. A countdown clock on a state television channel ticked down at midnight.

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RE: Cheney was right after all - 6/30/2009 9:11:50 AM

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Celebrations were tempered, however, by fears of renewed violence as insurgents seek to use the date to stage new attacks. At least 20 people were killed and at least 50 wounded Tuesday in a bombing in northern Iraq, a local police official said.
While many Iraqis publicly said they are glad to see Americans out of their neighborhoods, some cited worries about what the future may hold without the U.S. military nearby. "Without the Americans, we were afraid of each other," said Hanaa Abdul Hassan of Baghdad. "And now that the Americans are leaving, we will be more afraid. We knew the Americans were holding them back, so now I don't know what's going to happen," she said, without specifying who "they" were.

In the past 10 days, a series of spectacular attacks -- including bombings that have targeted civilians -- have killed more than 200 Iraqis.

Let the celebration begin.

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RE: Cheney was right after all - 6/30/2009 9:44:16 AM

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There will be one last gasp for Al Quida and other terrorists to try and disrupt the new Govt. in Irac. They will not prevail. While our troops will be out of the major cities, we will still be there in force untill 2011...

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RE: Cheney was right after all - 6/30/2009 9:44:47 AM

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In case you were asleep during the first days of the war, we were greeted as liberators. It wasn't until the looting started and the outside agitators moved in that the celebration was suppressed. But why let facts get in the way of a typically snarky post.

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RE: Cheney was right after all - 6/30/2009 11:02:55 AM

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When that statue of Saddam in the middle of Bahgdad was pulled down I would say everyone was pretty happy. They certainly weren't asking out troops to leave...

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RE: Cheney was right after all - 6/30/2009 11:24:15 AM

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When that statue of Saddam in the middle of Bahgdad was pulled down I would say everyone was pretty happy. They certainly weren't asking out troops to leave...

You fell for the PR stunt too, huh

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RE: Cheney was right after all - 6/30/2009 11:52:59 AM

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When that statue of Saddam in the middle of Bahgdad was pulled down I would say everyone was pretty happy. They certainly weren't asking out troops to leave...

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2842.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/040722-saddam-statue.htm
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Toppling_the_statue_of_Saddam_Hussein

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RE: Cheney was right after all - 6/30/2009 2:31:40 PM

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The fact remains: we were/are an occupying force in a soverign nation. We have no business being there. The people of that nation do not want us there. They have asked us (repeatedly) to leave.

They are celebrating that we are leaving.

It's as simple as that.

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RE: Cheney was right after all - 6/30/2009 4:11:45 PM

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You fell for the PR stunt too, huh ?

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RE: Cheney was right after all - 6/30/2009 4:23:27 PM

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The fact remains: we were/are an occupying force in a soverign nation. We have no business being there. The people of that nation do not want us there. They have asked us (repeatedly) to leave.

They are celebrating that we are leaving.

It's as simple as that.

I agree with you on some things Mars; it's usually social issues. But I disagree with you here. We have every right to have been there. We fought a war with Iraq before, and the government of Saddam Hussein signed the treaty. Saddam didn't obey the rules of that treaty, and we invaded. You and many others seem to gloss over the fact that he wasn't abiding by the requirement to completely allow inspectors to see that his weapons programs were being dismantled, fired on NATO planes enforcing the agreed upon no-fly zone, and refused to vacate office when lawfully ordered to do so. We had every right to enforce the treaty under international law. In order to prevent anarchy, we had an obligation to occupy the country and enforce law.

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RE: Cheney was right after all - 6/30/2009 4:31:45 PM

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"Their presence has brought nothing good. It is long past the time for the Americans to leave," said Ali, who draped himself in an Iraqi flag as he danced with friends prior to Iraqi security forces taking control Tuesday.

Yeah. Personally I think we should have just let saddam continue to abuse and torture people, continue killing mass amounts of people who disagreed with him, and just generally ignored the country. Kinda like how we should ignore what's going on in iran. So they want to kill a bunch of protesters....big deal. Let them sort out their own mess. If the ruling power retains power, the protesters didn't fight hard enough. If they lose power, then things will change.

The point being that if a dictator wants to abuse his own country or drive it straight into the ground.....so be it. Not our problem.

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RE: Cheney was right after all - 6/30/2009 4:33:35 PM

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" Refused to vacate office when lawfully ordered to do so "

Thats a new one on me.

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RE: Cheney was right after all - 6/30/2009 4:39:40 PM

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" Refused to vacate office when lawfully ordered to do so "

Thats a new one on me.

Read the treaty. He agreed to it, and he didn't obey it. I'm sorry, but he lost the war. He agreed to certain terms, and he fucking blew it. He tried to kill one of our former heads of state. He threatened and tried to shoot down NATO planes lawfully enforcing the terms of the treaty. He knew what was going to happen when GWB came on televison and ordered him and his sociopathic sons to leave. He chose to stay. He could be living a life in relative luxury in exhile somewhere in Bahrain or where ever. He chose to stay. We had every right under international law to invade.

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RE: Cheney was right after all - 6/30/2009 4:59:48 PM

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quote:

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" Refused to vacate office when lawfully ordered to do so "

Thats a new one on me.

Read the treaty. He agreed to it, and he didn't obey it. I'm sorry, but he lost the war. He agreed to certain terms, and he fucking blew it. He tried to kill one of our former heads of state. He threatened and tried to shoot down NATO planes lawfully enforcing the terms of the treaty. He knew what was going to happen when GWB came on televison and ordered him and his sociopathic sons to leave. He chose to stay. He could be living a life in relative luxury in exhile somewhere in Bahrain or where ever. He chose to stay. We had every right under international law to invade.

We had no rights under international law. Blair and Bush gave the wmds and links with terrorists as reasons for war.

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RE: Cheney was right after all - 6/30/2009 5:02:03 PM

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So what do you think of Obama sticking his nose in Honduras' business. Is he being a Dick?

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Yeah. Personally I think we should have just let saddam continue to abuse and torture people, continue killing mass amounts of people who disagreed with him, and just generally ignored the country. Kinda like how we should ignore what's going on in iran. So they want to kill a bunch of protesters....big deal. Let them sort out their own mess. If the ruling power retains power, the protesters didn't fight hard enough. If they lose power, then things will change.

The point being that if a dictator wants to abuse his own country or drive it straight into the ground.....so be it. Not our problem.

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RE: Cheney was right after all - 6/30/2009 5:27:19 PM

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So what do you think of Obama sticking his nose in Honduras' business. Is he being a Dick?

Sorry, but I refuse to allow you to take my words and apply them to your anti-Obama agenda. He's the president now, get over it.

The truth is NO president can or will implement *my* preferred foreign policy, because it's not feasible. That's what I have to accept. You trying to turn this toward Obama is too ridiculous for me to comment on.

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RE: Cheney was right after all - 6/30/2009 5:29:04 PM

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We had no rights under international law. Blair and Bush gave the wmds and links with terrorists as reasons for war.

They didn't give the numerous UN resolution and Gulf War treaty violations as a reason at all? Are you kidding me? You think the only reason they gave was because of WMDs and terrorists? Seriously, are you kidding? Were you not paying attention? You never heard either mention the treaty and UN resolution violations, ever?

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RE: Cheney was right after all - 6/30/2009 5:31:19 PM

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Personally, I can remember at least a small handful of times we "almost" went to war because they refused to allow UN inspectors into the country. One of those times had people in my unit 'on alert' in case they had to board a C-5 in short notice.

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RE: Cheney was right after all - 6/30/2009 5:38:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy: In case you were asleep during the first days of the war, we were greeted as liberators...

"Oceania is at war with Eurasia and has always been at war with Eurasia." Don't believe everything you see on FOX.

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RE: Cheney was right after all - 6/30/2009 6:35:41 PM

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"Oceania is at war with Eurasia and has always been at war with Eurasia." Don't believe everything you see on FOX.

1984, the favorite book to quote for the unread. Animal Farm would be a close second. We don't live in that kind of world, it's entertaining but irrelevant. I enjoy the works of Orwell, but he was a bit of a simpleton. You can quote his works until the cows come home; it doesn't relate to our current government. No matter how fashionable you think it is, it doesn't relate. It just makes you look dumb. It's no more relevant than Starship Troopers. It's a story plain and simple. It doesn't define humanity anymore than any other story. Quoting fiction to prove a point is really silly.

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