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RE: "Service" Submissive - 7/9/2009 11:09:01 AM   
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well you have some on here that claim they want a submissive but when a slave contacts them and ask to be their slave they act like the slave has a problem .

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RE: "Service" Submissive - 7/9/2009 11:16:49 AM   
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If someone is not interested in you, they are not interested in you.  That is all the reason they ever need give you. 

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RE: "Service" Submissive - 7/9/2009 11:39:04 AM   
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A service submissive is someone for me who I have an interest in that exceeds play... they are in my service ... their focus is on me ... they notice when it is time to refill my glass of tea and ask politely if they may do so... They notice when I have a headache from those initial signals that I give out.. the hand rub at the base of my neck, how I begin to droop slightly...and the next thing I know there is aglass of water and a tylenol... They notice my love of cherries and bring me the first of  the season because their reward is a smile... service is more than doing my laundry and sweeping up my floors.. if that is all I wanted I would hire Molly Maid.. to be in someone's service encompasses a different level of commitment, a greater focus on the whole relationship. Sincerely Ms.B.

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RE: "Service" Submissive - 7/9/2009 11:50:54 AM   
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FR, after read thru

This one has a pretty simple answer for me: 'service' is doing as I ask or tell.

The longer form: a service s-type wants to find out what I want by listening, observing, & otherwise getting to know my wants, needs, preferences, & who can follow my directives.

For instance, my mostly-vanilla ex was my 'fruit salad slave', something I miss surprisingly fiercely. I would bring home the fruit & he would turn it into salad -- wash, peel, chop . .... Veggies, too, for soup & such, but it's the fruit salad I miss the most . .. . . lol . . . . . I know, daft, but it was a special bond we had. Even after we'd broken up he would bring me fruit, even cut it up for me . . . . .

On the other hand, the experienced kinkster I was dating last year, who was calling himself my 'submissive', was full of 'no' & focused on how much he liked me doing to him the things he wanted done . .. . (& I learned that being a service top has only a most limited appeal for me . . . .. )

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RE: "Service" Submissive - 7/9/2009 11:59:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sylverdawn

A service submissive is someone for me who I have an interest in that exceeds play... they are in my service ... their focus is on me ... they notice when it is time to refill my glass of tea and ask politely if they may do so... They notice when I have a headache from those initial signals that I give out.. the hand rub at the base of my neck, how I begin to droop slightly...and the next thing I know there is aglass of water and a tylenol... They notice my love of cherries and bring me the first of  the season because their reward is a smile... service is more than doing my laundry and sweeping up my floors.. if that is all I wanted I would hire Molly Maid.. to be in someone's service encompasses a different level of commitment, a greater focus on the whole relationship. Sincerely Ms.B.


Thank you for this, Sylverdawn.  This is a great explanation, and really sums up the way I feel too.  I have been struggling with how to define for *me* what this means, and this really puts it in a great perspective.
Warmly,
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RE: "Service" Submissive - 7/9/2009 1:40:09 PM   
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It means we wake up in the middle of the night dreaming of picking up dry cleaning.

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RE: "Service" Submissive - 7/9/2009 2:01:47 PM   
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It means we wake up in the middle of the night dreaming of picking up dry cleaning.


*Cackle*

Actually, I don't know of any other subject on which sub and domme seem so completely to misunderstand one another.   The amount of metaphorical ink spent on this board on it is testimony to that.  Me, my policy is not even to 'offer service'.  That way, neither she nor I will be expecting anything that may, in the end, not materialise.  On the other hand if it does appear, it stands a chance of being good for both sides.

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RE: "Service" Submissive - 7/9/2009 2:03:40 PM   
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Actually, I don't know of any other subject on which sub and domme seem so completely to misunderstand one another.  


It turns me on when you don't split your infinitive.

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RE: "Service" Submissive - 7/9/2009 2:13:42 PM   
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I still haven't got round to buying a dildo, V, so I haven't yet tried . . . .

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RE: "Service" Submissive - 7/9/2009 3:22:52 PM   
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I'll add this here.... LdyyR was referring to her Mental Stability! Probably meaning all Her distracting, time wasting chores and errands taken care of...kinda making Her life easier! Scotty

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RE: "Service" Submissive - 7/9/2009 5:39:04 PM   
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I still haven't got round to buying a dildo, V, so I haven't yet tried . . . .


" To boldly go "   <<  Looks split to me.

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RE: "Service" Submissive - 7/9/2009 6:19:11 PM   
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always thought a service submissive was when the submissive orally service their mistress while she sits on your face  or if she wants to lie back on the bed with you inbetween her sexy thighs while she wraps those legs around you and she holds your head in place until she cums multiple times from your tongue ..thats my kind of service slave indeed  and after if she wants some cock your there for her also until shes  done with you  housework ? no thanks save that for the next guy --lol   mal

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RE: "Service" Submissive - 7/9/2009 6:37:13 PM   
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I stay away from the whole definition thing because it gives me the impression that people are really around the boards to discuss things and aren't really into doing things. Service itself is a good example of this because I've run across a lot of submissive people who claim to be service submissives, but when it comes to actually doing the service part of it, they're really into their own little fantasies of what they wish service could be. In other words, if a woman is seeking someone who cleans, that "service submissive" claims to be just that and is really looking to get into her place and then be used as a submissive; quite often the service part of it is seen as lip service rather than actual service. When actual work is required, that person finds ways to get out of it or just does what is necessary to pretend to be into it and then looks for the fantasies to get fulfilled.

The problem with this isn't really that much of a concern to me because I'm obviously not looking for a service submissive, nor am I looking for a submissive either, as I am one. But what does happen is because these fake service submissives are out there, they keep promising the world to any dominant they can speak to, which then causes every other dominant to think that this is such a natural thing with submissives, when in fact very few submissives are of this mentality. A few are ridiculously into it, and almost always they get snatched up, leaving the other women looking for someone JUST LIKE THAT, and all they find are the fakes who make it so that a service submissive, like myself, is one of many out there, which we are not.

And this makes things even worse because of those fake service submissives, they set up this context to where someone like me who takes pleasure in service (but is looking for an actual bdsm relationship) is then seen as a fake because I don't kowtow to this absurd definition of the submissive who is into it ONLY for the cleaning part of the relationship. I can't tell you how many times I was frustrated by women who contacted me and wanted me to come over and clean their place, let myself out and then come back at another time AND NEVER HAVE ANY INTERACTION WITH HER AT ALL. Yep, that happens A LOT. And I'm usually put in a place where I'm seen to be the one lacking because I'm not interested in a cleaning relationship (I'd hire on as a merry maid or something like that if my only desire was to randomly clean random apartments) only.

This is a big part of why I'm leaving the scene. It gets really tiring dealing with this sort of thing and constantly being made to feel like I'm a fake because I'm not into a relationship that has no actual interaction with the dominant woman I'm serving.


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RE: "Service" Submissive - 7/9/2009 6:50:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I still haven't got round to buying a dildo, V, so I haven't yet tried . . . .


" To boldly go "   <<  Looks split to me.


I think you're mistaking his gerund for his infinitive.

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RE: "Service" Submissive - 7/9/2009 7:18:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: malloves69

always thought a service submissive was when the submissive orally service their mistress while she sits on your face  or if she wants to lie back on the bed with you inbetween her sexy thighs while she wraps those legs around you and she holds your head in place until she cums multiple times from your tongue ..thats my kind of service slave indeed  and after if she wants some cock your there for her also until shes  done with you  housework ? no thanks save that for the next guy --lol   mal

And this is exactly why you have the arrangement that you do.


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RE: "Service" Submissive - 7/9/2009 7:46:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

I stay away from the whole definition thing because it gives me the impression that people are really around the boards to discuss things and aren't really into doing things. Service itself is a good example of this because I've run across a lot of submissive people who claim to be service submissives, but when it comes to actually doing the service part of it, they're really into their own little fantasies of what they wish service could be. In other words, if a woman is seeking someone who cleans, that "service submissive" claims to be just that and is really looking to get into her place and then be used as a submissive; quite often the service part of it is seen as lip service rather than actual service. When actual work is required, that person finds ways to get out of it or just does what is necessary to pretend to be into it and then looks for the fantasies to get fulfilled.

The problem with this isn't really that much of a concern to me because I'm obviously not looking for a service submissive, nor am I looking for a submissive either, as I am one. But what does happen is because these fake service submissives are out there, they keep promising the world to any dominant they can speak to, which then causes every other dominant to think that this is such a natural thing with submissives, when in fact very few submissives are of this mentality. A few are ridiculously into it, and almost always they get snatched up, leaving the other women looking for someone JUST LIKE THAT, and all they find are the fakes who make it so that a service submissive, like myself, is one of many out there, which we are not.

And this makes things even worse because of those fake service submissives, they set up this context to where someone like me who takes pleasure in service (but is looking for an actual bdsm relationship) is then seen as a fake because I don't kowtow to this absurd definition of the submissive who is into it ONLY for the cleaning part of the relationship. I can't tell you how many times I was frustrated by women who contacted me and wanted me to come over and clean their place, let myself out and then come back at another time AND NEVER HAVE ANY INTERACTION WITH HER AT ALL. Yep, that happens A LOT. And I'm usually put in a place where I'm seen to be the one lacking because I'm not interested in a cleaning relationship (I'd hire on as a merry maid or something like that if my only desire was to randomly clean random apartments) only.

This is a big part of why I'm leaving the scene. It gets really tiring dealing with this sort of thing and constantly being made to feel like I'm a fake because I'm not into a relationship that has no actual interaction with the dominant woman I'm serving.


This was a well thought out, very articulate post and I think it brings to light some of the major issues that are present for both sides of the kneel.  I have to tell you that I do appreciate someone who has your experiences to post this, so it doesn't just sound like it's male bashing time again.

I have to tell you that I absolutely agree with the difficulties associated with the points you've raised.  Many who claim service submission really don't know or care what it is and their preconceived notion usually isn't what some of us interpret it to be.  This is why I usually let that kind of a self descriptor on a profile go the same as one ear and out of the other.  In fact, it is completely why I don't even allude to it in My own profile.  That is a discussion that I keep to real life interactions only.  I will post about it, but that takes actual research and most of the 'service submissives' that you mention aren't going to go through all of that.

The other part of this that I hear loud and clear is that there are some Dommes who really don't know how to accept service with grace.  That toss you the keys, I'll be back when you're through thing might fly in a cuckhold dynamic, but every service submissive that I have ever known wants that interaction.  They want the fulfillment of the serving.  They thrive on it and it is the reciprocal feedback from the Dominant.  It isn't just seeing that there is a clean floor.  They want that Dominant's reaction to that clean floor.  That he has made her life easier and more pleasurable in some way.

Keep in mind that I am coming from the perspective of My own experiences.  This in no way is a reflection of those scenarios where it is more the "I didn't clean the floor properly and I'm looking to be beaten for it" type.


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RE: "Service" Submissive - 7/9/2009 8:01:27 PM   
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littlesarbonn... I hope you will be here! It is a sad day to hear someone like you say they are leaving.

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RE: "Service" Submissive - 7/10/2009 6:49:55 AM   
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yes thats true  i pay her because she is a pro dom and thats how she makes extra money ...what do you want me to do pay her x amount of dollars so i can wash her dishes or take out her trash ?? im sure in a 24/7 relationship it would be different ..but since im not in one of those i do have a say in what we do together when we are together  known each other along time ..we both know what we like and dislike   if it was all about me she would have booted me along time ago .the lady needs to have fun too or she wont hang around very long   good day mal

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RE: "Service" Submissive - 7/10/2009 7:23:35 AM   
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I feel as if I am unable to define servitude with words. So, I will define it with images of smiley people. 


LOL! Priceless!

Welcome to the boards, gift4mistress!

ETA: Hi Mal! 

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RE: "Service" Submissive - 7/10/2009 8:38:16 AM   
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yes thats true  i pay her because she is a pro dom and thats how she makes extra money ...what do you want me to do pay her x amount of dollars so i can wash her dishes or take out her trash ?? im sure in a 24/7 relationship it would be different ..but since im not in one of those i do have a say in what we do together when we are together  known each other along time ..we both know what we like and dislike   if it was all about me she would have booted me along time ago .the lady needs to have fun too or she wont hang around very long   good day mal

I'm not so sure about that last part.  Understand that I am looking at it from a perspective that many people have aspects of their job that they don't like.  Many people have professions where they are not happy to be in the company of the clients who pay the bills.  Ask anyone who has ever worked as a defense attorney.  Often, they can't stand the people they work for/with.  They still do their job, even if they have to make it appear that they are actually in favor of their "clients.'


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