18 mos in jail for sex-game gone wrong

Collarchat.com

Home Login Search

18 mos in jail for sex-game gone wrong

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Alternative Lifestyles in the News >> 18 mos in jail for sex-game gone wrong

Page: [1]

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

18 mos in jail for sex-game gone wrong - 7/14/2009 4:52:37 AM

DedicatedDom40

Posts: 350
Joined: 9/22/2005
Status: offline

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/jul/13/wife-given-18-months-sex-game-death-husband/

Gotta love those reader comments!

Profile

Post #: 1

RE: 18 mos in jail for sex-game gone wrong - 7/14/2009 5:48:22 AM

Sunnyfey

Posts: 1436
Joined: 9/21/2007
From: OK
Status: offline

Damnit that pisses me off.

WHY DON'T PEOPLE READ A GODDAMNED ANATOMY BOOK OR GOD FORBID FUCKING RESEARCH SOMETHING BEFORE THEY GET INTO RISKY SEX GAMES!!!

_____________________________

Resident Hell Cat

(in reply to DedicatedDom40)

Profile

Post #: 2

RE: 18 mos in jail for sex-game gone wrong - 7/14/2009 9:26:08 AM

tazzygirl

Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline

Many use sites like this as research. Recently, and i cant find the thread, someone (female) was asking about needles into scrotums... and all i kept thinking was... do you have experience.. a medical background.. before you start playing in an area like that? some people truly dont think before trying things.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to Sunnyfey)

Profile

Post #: 3

RE: 18 mos in jail for sex-game gone wrong - 7/14/2009 10:16:54 AM

GYPZYQUEEN

Posts: 730
Joined: 4/14/2009
Status: offline

OP:
This was a needless death..
She should get the same thing..

GQ

(in reply to tazzygirl)

Profile

Post #: 4

RE: 18 mos in jail for sex-game gone wrong - 7/14/2009 12:23:22 PM

JuliaGreenleaf

Posts: 66
Joined: 4/15/2009
Status: offline

Oops.
This is why i ask so many questions, if anyone is reading my profile and interested.

(in reply to GYPZYQUEEN)

Profile

Post #: 5

RE: 18 mos in jail for sex-game gone wrong - 7/19/2009 4:22:23 PM

LilKittenSub

Posts: 39
Joined: 9/20/2007
Status: offline

And that is why even when I was in 24/7, if my Master left the apartment without me, I was always given a way to get myself out of whatever bonds or cage or anything I was put into, just incase something should happen.

_____________________________

“How delicious to corrupt, to stifle all semblances of virtue and religion in that young heart!”
--Marquis De Sade

(in reply to JuliaGreenleaf)

Profile

Post #: 6

RE: 18 mos in jail for sex-game gone wrong - 7/19/2009 4:39:51 PM

SoulPiercer

Posts: 374
Joined: 5/27/2007
Status: offline

Given the circumstances, how did she convince anyone it was a sex game gone bad and not premeditated murder?

_____________________________

Do you have any idea how many bones you have left for me to break? - Batman

(in reply to LilKittenSub)

Profile

Post #: 7

RE: 18 mos in jail for sex-game gone wrong - 7/19/2009 5:35:53 PM

amaidiamond

Posts: 1793
Joined: 2/6/2006
From: Watford / London
Status: offline

Oh dear god, some people

I have no issues with long periods of bondage, if I have a safety *Out* option but bound with no out and gagged....geeeze

(in reply to SoulPiercer)

Profile

Post #: 8

RE: 18 mos in jail for sex-game gone wrong - 7/25/2009 5:56:10 AM

slavekal

Posts: 1486
Joined: 7/20/2004
Status: offline

Bondage 101 is you don't bind and gag a person, then leave them alone. How idiotic. Safety first. Always.

< Message edited by slavekal -- 7/25/2009 5:57:28 AM >

_____________________________

"The Courage to Submit: the submissive male's guide to finding a dominant woman"
http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/the-courage-to-submit-the-guide-for-the-submissive-male-seeking-a-dominant-woman/5968917

(in reply to amaidiamond)

Profile

Post #: 9

RE: 18 mos in jail for sex-game gone wrong - 7/25/2009 9:46:56 AM

Leonidas

Posts: 2078
Joined: 2/16/2004
Status: offline

All I can say is that it's a damn good thing for her that there is no National Organization for Men. If there were, I'm sure they'd be calling for a federal investigation, and additional charges for violating his civil rights.

< Message edited by Leonidas -- 7/25/2009 9:47:19 AM >

_____________________________

Take care of yourself

Leonidas

(in reply to DedicatedDom40)

Profile

Post #: 10

RE: 18 mos in jail for sex-game gone wrong - 7/25/2009 2:54:31 PM

DemonKia

Posts: 5521
Joined: 10/13/2007
From: Chico, Nor-Cali
Status: offline

FR, after read thru

The teacher at a recent bondage class I attended, who is also a forensic expert in BDSM & worked as such on this case, discussed it during the class.

The couple were into cuckolding, had done this scenario before. What she said was, he always got loose before. The implication being that her bondage skills had gotten better . . . . . FYI . . .. .

My experience is that, BDSM or not, lots of people regularly engage in all kinds of non-survival behaviors that have low immediate risk but substantial long-term / cumulative risk & get away with it. (Tobacco use, speeding, driving while exhausted or intoxicated or distracted, etc.) & it stems from & breeds a certain cock-eyed perspective on risk-taking . . . . . & then I see this in real-life BDSM contexts by people who think of themselves as informed.

For instance, came back from that bondage class where the teacher had made a point of the danger of using a knife as an emergency bondage release, & there was a posting on one of our local groups bragging about a knife demonstration they'd hosted & talking about how handy the knives would be to have as emergency bondage release. No clue as to the safety issues . . . . .

What I really find interesting about these cases where BDSM activities go awry & the police & courts get involved is the distancing that happens by the BDSM 'community'. Generally the posting of these stories seem to be accompanied by a bunch of 'oh, they're not one of us' kinda psychological & rhetorical mechanisms. That's sad, to me . . . . . .

_____________________________

Snarko ergo sum.

The Verbossinator

(in reply to Leonidas)

Profile

Post #: 11

RE: 18 mos in jail for sex-game gone wrong - 7/25/2009 6:08:23 PM

barelynangel

Posts: 6233
Status: offline

quote:

The teacher at a recent bondage class I attended, who is also a forensic expert in BDSM & worked as such on this case, discussed it during the class.

Hi, just out of curiosity, he as an expert is bound by confidentiality until the trial is completely concluded including any and all appeals, i believe, how was he talking about this case and discuss it in a class he was teaching prior to this woman even being sentenced?

angel

_____________________________

What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.
R.W. Emerson

(in reply to DemonKia)

Profile

Post #: 12

RE: 18 mos in jail for sex-game gone wrong - 7/25/2009 6:34:04 PM

ThatDaveGuy69

Posts: 978
Joined: 6/22/2007
Status: offline

This may be a dumb question, but WTF is "a forensic expert in BDSM". Can I get a degree in that? I don't think it's offered at my local ju-co...

And another dumber question: If the indictment was for 2nd degree murder, how is it that Mrs Bargy can be convicted of anything else? Can you really be charged with 2 different crimes for the same -specific- act? Can an idictment really say "you are changed with 2nd-degree murder AND negligent homicide?". Seems to me the DA should have to decide what charge to go with and stick with it. Although it might have been a plea-bargain - there's no mention of an actual trial.

~Dave

~Dave

_____________________________

He said I'd blown a seal. I said fix the damn thing and leave my private life out of this!
What happens in the event horizon STAYS in the Event Horizon!
I have zero tolerance for Zero Tolerance

(in reply to barelynangel)

Profile

Post #: 13

RE: 18 mos in jail for sex-game gone wrong - 7/25/2009 11:14:39 PM

DemonKia

Posts: 5521
Joined: 10/13/2007
From: Chico, Nor-Cali
Status: offline

Angel: As a criminal trial proceeds most everything brought out in open court is a matter of public record, so I don't think he was betraying any confidences. The journalists just don't get into all those little details in their short pieces . .. . . & specifically, the prosecutorial end of the case has to reveal all their findings to the defense before the case goes to trial, including police interview transcripts. I suspect that that particular bit came from the initial police interviews & was thus available to the public fairly early in the whole thing . . . . . .

Dave: He's a lawyer, & is a qualified forensic expert in BDSM, especially erotic asphyxia issues. Forensic experts are those allowed by the court to testify in their area of expertise, & typically the most important skill set, outside of whatever technical specialty they have (psychiatry, CSI-type stuff like blood spatter or composition, coroners / medical examiners, anthropologists, etc) is that they have a fairly detailed understanding of the law. In his case, courts (ie, judges, who are the ones to make those decisions, ultimately) have accepted his expertise in BDSM issues . . . . .

& the courts need experts on BDSM because apparently 'it was consensual kink play' gets used a lot as an excuse by all kinds of defendants & the courts have found need for experts to explain the intricacies of the BDSM subculture, experts who are well versed in how the law works.

& as to how the journalist explained the charges, yeah, well, I'd like the journalists to get the technical details right a lot more than they do -- I suspect that your question has way more to do with that journalist being confused or misunderstanding those details than anything else . . . . .

(in reply to ThatDaveGuy69)

Profile

Post #: 14

RE: 18 mos in jail for sex-game gone wrong - 7/25/2009 11:16:22 PM

RealGirl4One

Posts: 95
Joined: 4/9/2009
Status: offline

She deserves the sentence she got, if not more. She should count her blessings she doesn't hang.

(in reply to ThatDaveGuy69)

Profile

Post #: 15

RE: 18 mos in jail for sex-game gone wrong - 7/27/2009 5:27:10 AM

fadedshadow

Posts: 751
Joined: 4/27/2009
From: a place
Status: offline

sucks for the dead husband guy

_____________________________

your living nightmare

(in reply to RealGirl4One)

Profile

Post #: 16

RE: 18 mos in jail for sex-game gone wrong - 7/27/2009 5:31:41 AM

BoiJen

Posts: 2608
Joined: 3/7/2007
Status: offline

what people seem to have a hard time understanding is that suffocation doesn't just happen because people don't get any air. Suffocation happens because people don't get enough air. The husband may have gotten some air for a while, may have been alive for 18 hours, but in the end his lungs could not suck enough air to sustain his need for O2.

Just sayin...

boi

_____________________________

Clips of MsKitty doin' stuff to me. Support the fan club, buy a clip today.

(in reply to fadedshadow)

Profile

Post #: 17

RE: 18 mos in jail for sex-game gone wrong - 7/27/2009 5:43:13 AM

BoiJen

Posts: 2608
Joined: 3/7/2007
Status: offline

DemonKia,

Those of us in the know happen to know exactly who the "expert" is in almost any situation that requires one on SM. He's a very knowledgeable guy, but not one I would want involved in any case in which individuals played in any kind of extreme manner. He's a safety nut, with good reason, that goes much farther with safety than most of us do and does so in a way that is limiting to the play that most of us do. And it's likely because of his job. I feel that because of this, his testimony could be damaging in any accidental injury or death case where reasonable safety precautions were taken and Darwin won anyway.

As a legal note, pleading down happens all the time. Changes of the actual charge happen as well when the information starts to flow and the prosecution realizes they may have a weak case for the criteria of the original charge. 2nd degree murder has to show intent to kill. Negligent homicide does not. If they can't prove her intent to kill her husband, then they need to build a stronger case for negligent homicide if they are to convict her at all. It's a matter of court motions and paperwork really.

As for the expert testimony, as long as there is not a gag order issued or these individuals are not meeting with the judge, jury, or opposing counsel in the trial, they are allowed to discuss details as much as they want. The legal system does not bar open discussion to the media or educational atmospheres so long as there is not a judicial order forcing silence (which only applies to the current trial not any appeals) and there is no undue influence to any of the major players in the trial. The jury will be (has been) instructed not to view any media coverage of the current trial or to disregard any media coverage they may see that pertains to the case at hand. And that is standard.

boi

_____________________________

Clips of MsKitty doin' stuff to me. Support the fan club, buy a clip today.

(in reply to BoiJen)

Profile

Post #: 18

RE: 18 mos in jail for sex-game gone wrong - 7/27/2009 4:07:16 PM

DemonKia

Posts: 5521
Joined: 10/13/2007
From: Chico, Nor-Cali
Status: offline

Yep, I'm sure plenty knew who I was alluding to . . .. & given that he's a somewhat controversial figure, for exactly the reasons you give, I felt that I'd just stick to adding into this thread what factual info I'd gleaned that seemed pertinent.

I guess I did leave out one factual bit that now seems relevant: he was hired by the defense. He almost always is. He seemed to view his job as working to get plea bargains for manslaughter, murder 2, or anything less than a murder 1 conviction, where it's appropriate . . . . . .

As for more speculative matters, I suspect he was a 'safety nut' long before he was gettin' paid serious dollars by defense teams for his forensic expertise . .. . . Unless you were referencing his early work as an EMT . . .. .

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoiJen

DemonKia,

Those of us in the know happen to know exactly who the "expert" is in almost any situation that requires one on SM. He's a very knowledgeable guy, but not one I would want involved in any case in which individuals played in any kind of extreme manner. He's a safety nut, with good reason, that goes much farther with safety than most of us do and does so in a way that is limiting to the play that most of us do. And it's likely because of his job. I feel that because of this, his testimony could be damaging in any accidental injury or death case where reasonable safety precautions were taken and Darwin won anyway.

As a legal note, pleading down happens all the time. Changes of the actual charge happen as well when the information starts to flow and the prosecution realizes they may have a weak case for the criteria of the original charge. 2nd degree murder has to show intent to kill. Negligent homicide does not. If they can't prove her intent to kill her husband, then they need to build a stronger case for negligent homicide if they are to convict her at all. It's a matter of court motions and paperwork really.

As for the expert testimony, as long as there is not a gag order issued or these individuals are not meeting with the judge, jury, or opposing counsel in the trial, they are allowed to discuss details as much as they want. The legal system does not bar open discussion to the media or educational atmospheres so long as there is not a judicial order forcing silence (which only applies to the current trial not any appeals) and there is no undue influence to any of the major players in the trial. The jury will be (has been) instructed not to view any media coverage of the current trial or to disregard any media coverage they may see that pertains to the case at hand. And that is standard.

boi

(in reply to BoiJen)

Profile

Post #: 19

RE: 18 mos in jail for sex-game gone wrong - 7/27/2009 9:23:22 PM

GaPhoto

Posts: 22
Joined: 2/12/2007
Status: offline

If you are referring to whom I think you are then yes, I agree that he has a tendency to allow the safety issues to detract from the play. I've read his books, and I try to not recommend them to brand new people, because they can scare one off if they do not know to selectively take advice, rather than believing everything told or read.

Based on the VERY limited facts provided, perhaps negligent homicide was an appropriate conviction. However I hope someone hit her on the back of the head just to remind her what a dumbass she really is.

Zack

(in reply to DemonKia)

Profile

Post #: 20