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kiska -> RE: Nailing his balls to the wall...literally (4/15/2006 1:03:34 PM)

Very safe isn't always safe enough.



Frankd -> RE: Nailing his balls to the wall...literally (4/15/2006 1:32:29 PM)

kiska has got a very valid point.
It is true that consent is important in bdsm or D/s, and it allows us to do to one another, things that would be unacceptable in the vanilla world.
It is also true that taking safety and health precautions before performing some "delicate" lifestyle scenes helps, but where do you draw the line?
No matter what the precautions, most people would agree that nailing someone's ball to the wall remains a serious and risky understaking, in terms of the possible consequences.

If you spank a submissive and you don't do it right, she may suffer serious bruises.
But if something goes unexpectedly wrong while you are nailing a submissive's balls to the wall, the consequences to the "victim" could be horrendous.
I like to think that no one is unwise enough to feel that they are so experienced and safe, that they could not possibly make such an unexpected mistake.

From a logical standpoint, when you look at the tremendous and possible consequences of such a risky "play", mutual consent and the intense need for the Master/Mistress to satisfy their kink are necessarily conditions, but unfortunately they are not enough to justify taking such a risk.
The missing condition that no one has talked about is the necessity of the act.
When you get off from spanking your sub, spanking does not have to be necessary, because the consequences would be minimal, should something go wrong.
But when you are going to take the tremendous risk of nailing someone's balls to the wall, you want to take such a huge risk because it's absolutely necessary.
There is a difference between just feeling the urge to satisfy a kink, and  having a necessary reason for performing an act, that goes beyond satisfying a kink.

This is not a matter of whether one is tolerant with play that they don't fancy, or not.
This is matter of whether about anything goes, once both participants consent to it, and they take safety precautions.
I suggest that my answer is negative, even when both conditions are met...especially when the consequences of a possibly mistake could be horrendous, and there is no real necessity in taking such a risk, besides just satisfying a kink.
If you are going to take a tremendous risk, even a rare one, at least make sure it is a necessity and it's more than just satisfying a kink.
Just my opinion...




Arpig -> RE: Nailing his balls to the wall...literally (4/15/2006 2:17:38 PM)

Well isn't it really up to the participants in each and every "scene" to judge the risks for themselves?
I am surprised at the arrogance of those who are proclaiming from their high mountains that this was WRONG!!! It wasn't wrong, it was risky and extreme, but not wrong. It was not wrong because two consenting adults weighed the risks and decided that with the appropriate precautions, the risks were minimal enough for them. They are not your balls, so it is not really for you to judge what is or is not safe enough.

You may think that the person was misguided in his thinking, and you may feel that it would be better if nobody ever tried this again, however where you and kiska are wrong is in proclaiming that opinion as an absolute. I suppose you would prefer we all submitted our fantasies to you for approval before carrying them out?

Another thing that has crossed my mind....where were all you people who object so strongly before it was done? I mean, really what is the point of all your pontificating after the fact, if you really cared about his scrotum (remember his testicles were in no way harmed), then where were you when the intention to do this was first announced?

And how can anybody judge what does or does not justify any degree of risk for another person? We all accept different degrees of risk in our lives, and we each judge and accept or reject those risks for ourselves

And to Kiska, regarding the "safe as piercing" idea.....I have never heard of anybody getting hep or aids from having their ball sack nailed to anything....can you say the same about your well-trained and lisenced piercing parlours?

Can anybody actually point to any verifiiable evidence of any of the terrible and horrible consequences of this act that they are throwing about?



KnightofMists -> RE: Nailing his balls to the wall...literally (4/15/2006 3:32:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

Another thing that has crossed my mind....where were all you people who object so strongly before it was done? I mean, really what is the point of all your pontificating after the fact, if you really cared about his scrotum (remember his testicles were in no way harmed), then where were you when the intention to do this was first announced?


so very true... I find it rather hypocritical of these brave brave people to speak their mind after the animals have left the barn and they want to close the door.  They even look more foolish considering the scene went very well for all that participated and considering those that watch as well.... after all this wasn't done in some dark alley... but at a public venue of dark enjoyments *G*

I must say thou that this brave after the fact doesn't surprize me.  Many Many people don't have the GUTS to speak their thoughts when it really matters.  I recall an of a branding incident that occurred on the West Coast a number of years ago.  The girl was very new to the scene but became very excited with the thought of branding.  Her boyfriend and her at the time found someone that claimed to do branding and was prepared to do it.  This was no a behind close doors kind of thing.... it was very public and she made it known to many what she was about to do.  Well the branding was a complete disaster and she is scared horribly and lost of some function of her leg.  It was after the fact that people come running and telling her how stupid she was but more than that they had information that they knew would of changed her decision... specifically facts the um Brander lied to this girl.  Everyone was brave after the fact... but how did it help her when it was needed?  For the recorded... this girl knew she made some horrible mistakes.... But so did alot of other people!  I wish I could find it again.  But this girl did a interview with an internet radio show on the whole thing.   Last I heard the girl is living in Vancouver.

I am very happy for Tress and her experience.  Frankly I wasn't concerned or surprized that it turned out as well as it did, hence I did not feel the need before or after to judge it wrong or have concern beyond what is natural for this kind of scene.  What a go TRESS!!!!!!!!  WELL DONE!!!



JohnWarren -> RE: Nailing his balls to the wall...literally (4/15/2006 3:39:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kiska

Very safe isn't always safe enough.


Sadly, "safety" is an asymptotic undertaking.  The only people who can really judge "safe enough" are the people envolved.

"Safe" is like absolute zero.  Real enough in theory but unreachable in practice.



windchymes -> RE: Nailing his balls to the wall...literally (4/15/2006 7:21:14 PM)

Or, they knew she wouldn't have listened to them and done it anyway, so they saved their breath.

Showing up afterwards proclaiming "I could have told you so!" IS in poor taste, though, I agree.



Stunning -> RE: Nailing his balls to the wall...literally (4/15/2006 8:50:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

Or, they knew she wouldn't have listened to them and done it anyway, so they saved their breath.

Showing up afterwards proclaiming "I could have told you so!" IS in poor taste, though, I agree.


I didn't see this thread until it was already done. But with the monumental stupidity here you don't need to worry about me coming back.



Arpig -> RE: Nailing his balls to the wall...literally (4/15/2006 9:06:10 PM)

Let the rejoicing begin!!![:D][:D][:D][:D]
oh yeah...hey Superman, just before you go, what will I be feeling in 2 minutes?



JohnWarren -> RE: Nailing his balls to the wall...literally (4/16/2006 5:52:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Stunning

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ORIGINAL: flowered
... in some places its legal to beat and kill your wife....do you follow those laws?

Please cite this law, because I don't think you can. 

I guess you don't follow the news, but such laws are not uncommon in Islamic nations
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ORIGINAL: enthralled
~smiles~ ... You say that this is a felony? assault? NOT legal? Guess what. . . I agree!!!!
In the state of TN (where I see you are NOT from), it is illegal for any person to lay thier hands on another person, consensual or not.
The spanking, knife-play, and hairpulling listed as interests in ****some**** profiles are also illegal/a felony/an assault and could lead to an arrest even IF it was consensual should the DA desire to prosecute.  
Does it make YOU sick because you want to *spank* another individual? Should you be arrested because you enjoy putting a knife to another individuals throat? What happened to tolerance and etiquette?

What happened to reason? What happened to logic? Nothing I do permanently destroys body tissue.What don't you understand about that?


From looking back in the notestream, I'd say it was you who brought up the legal aspect, which, as anyone who has any legal education knows as nothing to do with either logic or reason.

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ORIGINAL: enthralled
Or perhaps it's a case of 'My kink is right and yours is wrong'.

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Sometims that's the case. Pedophilia is a "wrong" kink. Necrophilia is a "wrong kink." Destroying the body of another person is a wrong kink. Do you know that self-cutting is a mental disorder? Certainly cutting another person, or nailing his body to a board for sexual gratification, is a mental disorder.
 

There are a lot of "mental disorders."  Until very recently, both wiitwd and homosexual behavor were listed in the DSM.



Moloch -> RE: Nailing his balls to the wall...literally (4/16/2006 4:19:19 PM)

If I wanted to be safe Id crawl under a rock and stay there untill I died of old age....



Invictus754 -> RE: Nailing his balls to the wall...literally (4/16/2006 5:44:33 PM)

OMG...I really have to laugh at EVERYONE who is even talking about the legality of something.  HELLO...LAWS CHANGE.  In 1919, women couldn't vote.  Hmm.  That changed.  In 1950, blacks and whites couldn't marry.  That changed.  In 1980 (I am guessing here so if I am technically wrong, it is the spirit of the argument) sodomy was illegal in every state, but now many states have repealed that law. 

So, by 2021, ballsack nailing should be legal and we won't have to worry about it anymore.

Dammit!  Every time we think of something really eff'n kinky...THEY LEGALIZE IT!

And for all the ones saying how illegal it was, I bet you NEVER go over 55 miles per hour while you are driving in the 55 zone and always cross in the crosswalk (Jaywalking? Me? NEVER!)

We are TRYING to push limits, standards and go to where no Dom/me has gone before.  Who will listen to your story if you say, "Hey!  I nailed a 2x4 to a 4x4!  Really!"  But if you say, "Hey, I nailed this guy's NUTSACK to a 2x4!"  suddenly, everyone is listening to you, and you may even have a better place to park at work.  :)



enthralled -> RE: Nailing his balls to the wall...literally (4/16/2006 6:20:51 PM)

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I am surprised at the arrogance of those who are proclaiming from their high mountains that this was WRONG!!! It wasn't wrong, it was risky and extreme, but not wrong. It was not wrong because two consenting adults weighed the risks and decided that with the appropriate precautions, the risks were minimal enough for them. They are not your balls, so it is not really for you to judge what is or is not safe enough.


I agree. Honestly, I'd trust someone I know (and have) to do something at this level than I would someone I 'halfway' knew to use a flogger on me. People think they're harmless, so they don't learn the --how to's-- in flogging, end up not knowing where they shouldnt hit, and a person ends up passing blood (or worse) for a week from having thier kidneys hit on. With a scene like this (with someone I trust), at least I know they'd educate themself before ever wading into those waters.
Also, looking at a statement made by someone here, I dont understand why anyone would be 'offended' by anything that didnt involve them . . . . . ? If you don't like it, simply click on another forum ~smiles~

By the way, the person in question doesnt need an 'advocate' to come save Him from His 'kink'. I know Him, and I'm sure He AND His wife are sitting back laughing thier asses off at some of these posts <lol>  [sm=hello.gif]

enthralled



Evanesce -> RE: Nailing his balls to the wall...literally (4/17/2006 9:29:51 PM)

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Men who get their genitals pierced (smart ones anyway) go to a professional LICENSED piercer. The person doing the piercing has been trained and has practiced and knows what they are doing.

 
I wouldn't count on it.
 
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Or what if your hand slips ... What if any number of things goes wrong. Maybe someone sneezes and throws your concentration ... The end result is the submissive is suddenly maimed and bleeding and you're the one holding the hammer, my friend. If you take him to the ER (which, if you're a decent Domme, you will) then you've got to somehow ezplain this injury to the doctors. If you manage to fool them, you'd better hope he heals cleanly and doesnt decide to sue you or something. 
 
Why would anyone even bother trying to fool them?  I know I wouldn't.  However, it's pretty easy to make a claim that he was reloading a nail gun.
 
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We sit here and we go on and on about being safe, sane and consensual ... But really, how safe is it to drive a nail into someone's body parts? How safe can you possibly make that? 
 
Clearly, they made it safe enough that the individual on whom the act was performed walked away with a smile on his face and his testes intact.
 
I'm finding the kneejerk reactions to an extreme activity to be very entertaining because, although the potential for injury is there, this is the sort of activity that people study and discuss and seriously think through from every conceivable angle in order to minimize the risk factor.  How many people do this much research for something as simple as bondage?  Bondage can be lethal, yet no one seems to ever worry about that.  I'd sure as hell worry about it.  Ropes can cause clots.  An unattended muscle cramp can result in heart failure.  Where are the people screaming out against bondage? 
 
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My boyfriend's kink was to be killed by his Mistress. If I had participated in a snuff scene with him and something had gone wrong, I would be a murderer.

 
If you'd participated in a snuff scene with him and something went wrong, he'd be alive.




apb -> RE: Nailing his balls to the wall...literally (4/17/2006 11:11:39 PM)

I also know the "nailee" and have watched him reading some of these posts with great amusement .... not quite enough however to be bothered to reply to any of them.

I wish that everyone who doesn't like it would naff off to another thread instead of banging on about the insanity of it all.  It's a done deal ... he went away happy - in fact was ready to ride his Harley the next day.  Also, we all went and got nail tattoos the Wednesday following the event ... The sub in question got his on his dick!

The only time I saw tears in his eyes was when Tress pinched his arm in the tattoo studio.

Shoot me a message with an email address if you'd like to see the pics and I will invite you to the yahoo group ...



truesub4u -> RE: Nailing his balls to the wall...literally (4/18/2006 11:51:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kiska

As truesub4u stated several posts back, intentional self harm (cutting yourself, etc) is considered a mental disorder. I would think that wanting someone else to harm you to this degree would be considered a mental disorder as well. Also, being the person to want to do the harming ... I mean, its a very drastic injury ... Yes, its being performed under strict supervision and you've put a great deal of effort into insuring his 'safety' ... (I'm sorry, how safe is it really to nail a body part to a wall?) .. But I guess the point where the line was crossed between fantasizing about having it done and actually having it done (or doing it) is what startles me personally.

Is it really worth it? Is any kink really worth that kind of risk?


I read back through my post... can't see where I said this... but will take your word for it... LOL.. might need some more caffine so I read better. But anyways... the way you stated it... that I said it... I have to say there's a difference. Self mutualtion is different than the fun we seek when we allow others to do things to us. Besides, those that I know of  also agree... when they enjoy others cutting them.... or other things... they're in a different frame of mind. One that doesn't lead to further damage and or suicide. Someone else is in control.  So to me, there is a difference.

As to trouble... everything we live... from labeling ourselves, to actual real time conections. We stand the chance of being judged and outted to some type of law... be it cops, to child protective to close minded people. We take the fights where they lead us. Nothing we can do about it till or if it happens. I've been down that road already, my ex outting me because I slept with another female..here in NC... all the courts would say was big damn deal... where as in NC he also tried to get me nailed for being a submissive and I have to do alot of side stepping.. California  told him.. big damn deal... it's all in where you are and who's listening.



YoungWYorksDom -> RE: Nailing his balls to the wall...literally (4/18/2006 7:20:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou


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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Do a search for "butterfly board."


Ok, I looked that up, I'm now scared of all the dommes on here. Going to get my blankee and watch old disney movies, until I regain composure [;)] Sucking thumb and rocking gently.


Not that im attracted to you in any way but i dont suppose we could huddle together untill its over?



theRose4U -> RE: Nailing his balls to the wall...literally (4/18/2006 9:11:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

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ORIGINAL: Stunning

quote:

ORIGINAL: flowered
... in some places its legal to beat and kill your wife....do you follow those laws?

Please cite this law, because I don't think you can. 

I guess you don't follow the news, but such laws are not uncommon in Islamic nations
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quote:

ORIGINAL: enthralled
~smiles~ ... You say that this is a felony? assault? NOT legal? Guess what. . . I agree!!!!
In the state of TN (where I see you are NOT from), it is illegal for any person to lay thier hands on another person, consensual or not.
The spanking, knife-play, and hairpulling listed as interests in ****some**** profiles are also illegal/a felony/an assault and could lead to an arrest even IF it was consensual should the DA desire to prosecute.  
Does it make YOU sick because you want to *spank* another individual? Should you be arrested because you enjoy putting a knife to another individuals throat? What happened to tolerance and etiquette?

What happened to reason? What happened to logic? Nothing I do permanently destroys body tissue.What don't you understand about that?


From looking back in the notestream, I'd say it was you who brought up the legal aspect, which, as anyone who has any legal education knows as nothing to do with either logic or reason.

quote:

ORIGINAL: enthralled
Or perhaps it's a case of 'My kink is right and yours is wrong'.

quote:


Sometims that's the case. Pedophilia is a "wrong" kink. Necrophilia is a "wrong kink." Destroying the body of another person is a wrong kink. Do you know that self-cutting is a mental disorder? Certainly cutting another person, or nailing his body to a board for sexual gratification, is a mental disorder.
 

There are a lot of "mental disorders."  Until very recently, both wiitwd and homosexual behavor were listed in the DSM.


Just got done reading mr. know it all's profile and was thinking next this toolbox will claim to know better than John...wouldn't you just know that the next frame was this idot trying John. [:'(] Some people's kids they'll just never learn.

Think this was my favorite part of the profile:
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I am arguably the most intelligent person in this lifestyle. However, I do not condescend to a sub 



CalicoNymph -> RE: Nailing his balls to the wall...literally (4/22/2006 8:00:51 PM)

I've been watching this thread for some time, before and after the scene, and I'm truly glad to see the disenters among us reveal their ignorance and lack of tolerance for the needs and desires of others. This makes it more clear to me how fortunate I am to live in a city with a highly diverse and tolerant community![sm=applause.gif]

Btw, I'm the Head Dungeon Monitor for the club this scene was held in. There was more prep, planning and concern for the participants involved than I've seen for any other scene in my time serving the community. Without the love and concern of Alisa (his wife), his Mistress and his friends in the community I don't think this scene would have meant as much to eric. The energy in the room was incredible!

It's easy for anyone to spout off about the law and the risk of energy involved in the lifestyle. Frankly, most everything we do (phyically) is illegal and involves some level of risk. As someone pointed out, a flogging can cause serious injury if done improperly. One of the ways to ensure a scene is as safe as possible is to enlist the help of your friends and the expertise of others in the community, like trained Dungeon Monitors.

Stunning, you list in your profile that you like breath play. Please, for your sake and the sake of your partners, go be trained by a medical professional before you undertake this extremely dangerous activity. Oh noone will train you?? What a surprise that is![sm=ofcourse.gif]

Calico

"The purpose of life, after all, is to live it, to taste experience to the
utmost, to reach out eagerly and without fear for newer and richer
experiences." Eleanor Roosevelt

<edit> I'm highly amused by the "vanilla" posted under my name. Does that happen when you post for the first time here? If not, someone please tell me how to change it!! [:)]



truesub4u -> RE: Nailing his balls to the wall...literally (4/22/2006 9:39:00 PM)

All is good calico... Misstress well tell you about the cone.. think of it as being sweep and tasty..... the more you post... it will change and one day be as deranged as some of us already are... LOL

I'm so glad to see the positive response Misstress, eric and is wife had on this.... the bonding between them is never going to be cracked... and specially by a bunch of got no damn idea what the hell they're talking about because they've never experianced any type of bonding before people... who love to blow smoke out their ass... and try to look impressive... when they actually look jealous.





apb -> RE: Nailing his balls to the wall...literally (4/23/2006 1:00:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CalicoNymph

<edit> I'm highly amused by the "vanilla" posted under my name. Does that happen when you post for the first time here? If not, someone please tell me how to change it!! [:)]


Hi there Calico!!

I must admit to being VERY perturbed myself at the vanilla label ... I think you only have to get over 25 posts and you'll move up to "curious".  I made a determined effort myself over a 24 hour period and lost that cone ...

Good to see you last night.  W/we had an awesome food play scene tonight.  yourMissTress turned me in to a banana split for everyone to enjoy ....



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