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dearjohn -> A reason for all the fakes ? (7/30/2009 11:08:39 PM)

What’s going on, on this site every one is asking the same question, why so many fakes?

I’d like to offer a possible reason or indeed an answer, I have been having a good look round, I know all about the fake fem subs who list themselves as being in the UK and surprise, surprise there actually in Africa or America and are desperate for their air fair back to the UK. Anyone fool enough to give these “girls” money, well if you ever see the money or the girls again I for one will be very surprised.

I have also looked at a few of the American Dommes and their profiles, most look to be honest everyday women who are looking for that some one special that also has similar interests or needs as themselves, there not on the whole in it for what they can make.

Now I am not talking about the Pro Dommes here, most if not all of the profiles I have looked at that are Pro Dommes say as much on the top line of the profile, or very close to it.

But there is here in the UK what looks like a growing trend in young ladies who seem to be here simply to cash in on what they can get, several profiles are asking for credit for mobile phones, others are asking for various amounts to be paid by male subs up front just to get the potential Mistress’s messenger address, others are saying they want a tribute before they will consider a male sub/slave or even consider talking to him, or they expect him to keep them in the lifestyle they are accustomed too, in short pay for whatever they want, yet the same is not true or doesn’t seem to be true of fem subs looking for a new Mistress or a new Master for that matter.

I know there is likely far more male subs than there are female ones, but even so why the double standard?

When did this life style become about making easy money?

If a male Dom were to ask for the same sort of things some women on here ask for he’d likely be laughed off the site and I am pretty sure he’d not get any offers either.

Yes, I am Not talking about all the UK Dommes here just a few of them, who are nothing more than parasites, all I’d like to say to those girls is if there’s something you want go get a job and earn the money yourself.

So can you wonder why there are some men pretending to be fem subs?

Secondly what is a fake ?

Is it some one who pretends to be what they are not? Some one who in there own way lives in a little fantasy world they have created for themselves? To add a bit of fun to there otherwise boring lives?

I have been around a good few years now, in my early days, having anything to do with this life style was frowned upon by society in general, that I suspect is getting a little better all the time as BDSM becomes more acceptable and yes with the internet becoming more popular it has lead to an explosion of the numbers of people becoming more involved and more involved on a public stage, so that brings me back to the question is it wrong for some one to pretend to be what they’re not in order to brighten an otherwise boring life?

Yes I will add it is wrong to try and deceive people in order to gain from it or to cause the hurt some fakes likely do, but on a site and in a life style where very few use there real name when you first get to talking to them, what constitutes a fake?




Arpig -> RE: A reason for all the fakes ? (7/30/2009 11:20:48 PM)

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yet the same is not true or doesn’t seem to be true of fem subs looking for a new Mistress or a new Master for that matter.
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense now does it...pay me tribute and I will consider being your slave.....just sayin.

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go get a job and earn the money yourself.
they have a job, its called Dominatrix. They may not be very good at it, but as we all know the vast majority of first time self employed small businesses fail.
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If a male Dom were to ask for the same sort of things some women on here ask for he’d likely be laughed off the site and I am pretty sure he’d not get any offers either.
Financial Domination is not that common a kink in sub women (the predominant target of male doms).

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So can you wonder why there are some men pretending to be fem subs?
What's the connection? How does a guy pretending to be a female sub get him the lifestyle domme he's looking for?

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I know there is likely far more male subs than there are female ones, but even so why the double standard?
There isn't a double standard, its just a simple fact that male subs are far more likely to pay to be dominated than any other subgrouping of the BDSM spectrum. The women you refer to are either looking to set themselves up as a pro domme or are looking for a guy who is into financial domination. And why not, times are hard. Its not like they are running a scam, they state what they want in the way of payment and what it will get you. No different than a personal trainer or an executive assistant really.




WyldHrt -> RE: A reason for all the fakes ? (7/30/2009 11:56:15 PM)

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It doesn't make a whole lot of sense now does it...pay me tribute and I will consider being your slave.....just sayin.

There was a male sub in the introductions thread recently whose profile stated that he was looking for the perfect, gorgeous Goddess to own and use him...
... 2 paragraphs down it said that he required tribute from said Goddess if he was to actually be expected to, you know, serve [sm=rofl.gif]




peppermint -> RE: A reason for all the fakes ? (7/31/2009 12:12:07 AM)

Simple...it's the anonymous internet.




willowspirit -> RE: A reason for all the fakes ? (7/31/2009 12:24:27 AM)

For millenia, women have been wanting compensation for "putting out", and men have been wanting women to "put out" freely and casually.

And there have always been those who want a Free ride in life, the path of least resistance, no risk, ... the trusting souls being exploited, etc.

Whether Topping or bottoming, it's never seemed to matter.

As for what is a fake...
I've been called a fake because I don't submit to anyone who emails me and says "I'm a DominaTE. Obey me! Webcam -- NOW!"

-- or cumming on command
-- or asking for the Dominant to tell me about himself
-- or not going to a motel room the first time we meet

If one goes contrary to the person's expectations, I suppose they have the right to call one a "fake". Hopefully, they'll realize that by doing so, they may be considered a "fake" right back.




stella41b -> RE: A reason for all the fakes ? (7/31/2009 12:25:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: dearjohn

When did this life style become about making easy money?



Do you know any Pro-Dommes? Try spending time with one and this should disabuse you of your illusion that professional domination is 'easy money'.

Have you also heard of the expressions 'recession' and 'economic downturn'? This is also why you have a lot of people trading on e-Bay. It gives people an income and pays the bills.






Prinsexx -> RE: A reason for all the fakes ? (7/31/2009 1:28:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: dearjohn


I have been around a good few years now, in my early days, having anything to do with this life style was frowned upon by society in general,


You may have thought it wise to put down the collarme community in your first post here. But you know what they say: you can't teach an old dog new tricks.




susie -> RE: A reason for all the fakes ? (7/31/2009 2:22:40 AM)

Sorry I thought you said in your OP that you were going to give us a reason for all the fakes.

Did I miss it?




sirsholly -> RE: A reason for all the fakes ? (7/31/2009 2:44:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: susie

Sorry I thought you said in your OP that you were going to give us a reason for all the fakes.

Did I miss it?
my thought as well......




Whenready -> RE: A reason for all the fakes ? (7/31/2009 2:53:45 AM)

I assumed the reason was perception of easy money.




Leonidas -> RE: A reason for all the fakes ? (7/31/2009 2:54:03 AM)

Collarme used to vet each profile, one at a time, personally.  They don't anymore.  Can't keep up with it. 

As with any site on the internet that has anything to do with sex, the membership of collarme is around 90% male.  Yes, you're reading right.  90%.  Of those 90%, probably 90% (just a rough guess) have no experience in BDSM or related lifestyles whatsoever (claims on their profiles notwithstanding), and probably relatively little interest in getting any.  They are what we used to call HNG (Horney Internet Geeks).  They are usually somewhat socially inept men that are cruising around the net looking for anything that might get them laid, or at least make fucking their hand a little more enjoyable.  Especially anything that is free.  Collarme is free.

HNG are notoriously easy targets for scams of various kinds that promise sex.  The "fake" profiles are here to target them.  If you are not a HNG, and genuinely are interested in BDSM and related lifestyles and connecting with others who are too, I'd recommend that you all but ignore the personals profiles and participate here on the message boards or, to a lesser degree, in chat.  When you run across someone here who likewise seems genuinely interested in what this site is about and shares your interests, then connect with them on the other side.

Might not be the answer you were looking for, but it's the best one I've come up with after 5 years on this site.




Aileen1968 -> RE: A reason for all the fakes ? (7/31/2009 3:45:45 AM)

Build up of sperm = rant about fakes.




Prinsexx -> RE: A reason for all the fakes ? (7/31/2009 3:57:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

Build up of sperm = rant about fakes.

r = sc2

rant equals sperm count squared ?




Aileen1968 -> RE: A reason for all the fakes ? (7/31/2009 4:01:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

Build up of sperm = rant about fakes.

r = sc2

rant equals sperm count squared ?


heh




pompeii -> RE: A reason for all the fakes ? (7/31/2009 4:30:32 AM)

I've postulated before about the "spamscammers" which this thread touches upon.

For example, in my humble opinion, many (most?) of the juiciest female submissive profiles here are scammers; rarely are they real.

But, since I don't generally peruse the "pro Domme" genre, I can't tell you the statistics for them.

But, as others stated, what goes on in real life goes on here. Since there's a sucker born every minute, there will be those enterprising souls who will find the angle to separate them from their money. Caveat emptor.





DarkSteven -> RE: A reason for all the fakes ? (7/31/2009 5:15:27 AM)

OP, I had a hard time following your post, but it evidently was to complain about young ladies who choose to accept money for Domming.

I have found that there are plenty of Dominant woman that would be delighted to find a sub male and do not need to be paid.  Instead, they want a full relationship - conversation, someone to have dinner with, etc., in addition to bedroom playtime.

If you are not willing to provide this, or are a fifty year old man demanding a 20 year old kitten with a whip, then be expected to pay.  It really is that simple.




allthatjaz -> RE: A reason for all the fakes ? (7/31/2009 5:22:04 AM)

I have recently been chatting to a female submissive on here. All was going well up to the point of me discovering that this she was really a he. At this point all communication has stopped. The irony of this is, I would of been more than happy with him being a male sub and if he had been honest in the first place then we would likely be arranging to meet up by now.




windchymes -> RE: A reason for all the fakes ? (7/31/2009 7:44:23 AM)

Do the fakes need a reason?  I thought they just needed a place.....[8|]




FangsNfeet -> RE: A reason for all the fakes ? (7/31/2009 7:59:05 AM)

There are alot of horny people in the world.




Ambyant -> RE: A reason for all the fakes ? (7/31/2009 9:06:04 AM)

if this were a pay for play site, do you think there would be less fakes?
   I spot a fake by the way they rush to scene and don't have consistent answers to My 'getting to know you' questions.
    also , often, the pro model quality of pics are a give a way. stolen pixs can be noticed when they won't offer a new one, custom.   Other than that, the nix change as the pix change - on to drier territory and new marks.
I really like these forums!
Always the best Diva~Zya





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