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Breathplay Question... - 8/2/2009 2:33:25 PM

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Alright. So I've got a bit of a question. I tried breathplay for the first time recently and I'm not finding much information on the internet that explains what exactly happened. It didn't go well for me. Not to say that it went poorly...let me explain.

First off, I just want to say that I was with a dom I trust very deeply. He is extremely cautious and careful. I would have an extremely hard time believing that my response was because of something he did or didn't do.

So. We had just started; he was behind me as we were leaning against the side of the bed. He'd taken his shirt and pulled it tightly around my neck. The first five to ten seconds was fine, I was loving it. After that I think I lost consciousness. I'm not really sure how much time passed before I started, uh....I guess the best way to put it would be convulsing. My friend said it started about 15 to 20 seconds after he'd pulled his shirt around my neck.

I was about 75% coherant of what I was doing and what was going on as soon as the weird convulsions/muscle spasms started; but they were involuntary. I was lucid enough to be thinking "wtf...stop doing that." I knew where I was, although the fact that I was in the middle of having sex was a bit foggy. The guy got a hold of me, sat me on the floor, and asked me if I was okay. Then I remembered what I was doing and what was going on. I was conscious enough to say no. At that point the room was still spinning but it was slowing down.

It didn't take long and it stopped and I felt fine - he asked me my birthday and to spell my name. Nothing detrimental happened. I'm fine. It was just really weird. This all happened within about a minute. The guy said he'd never seen that kind of response before. I'm not sure why it happened. The internet isn't being much help, I thought I'd post a thread here for some ideas, advice, expertise, etc. We said we might be willing to try in again in a couple weeks, but we both agreed to try and do some research first as to why it may have happened. If it happens again obviously no more breath play for me, but the idea of that kinda makes me sad...

So. Any ideas? Theories? Anything? I'd really appreciate it

RE: Breathplay Question... - 8/2/2009 5:44:01 PM

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Some people love breath play.

You need to know that being experienced and knowledgeable will not prevent the unthinkable from occurring.
He can do everything right and you still could die.

I think your body has just given it's safe word.
If I were you, I would not try it again.

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RE: Breathplay Question... - 8/2/2009 5:47:29 PM

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There are others who know more about breathplay than I, but your body's reaction makes me very nervous. You're playing with the air being cut off to your brain and obviously something wasn't right for your body. Even if you were somewhat 'there' you could still have been well on your way to a more serious episode which could lead to you having a stroke or worse.

I wouldn't tempt fate by trying it again.

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RE: Breathplay Question... - 8/2/2009 6:01:09 PM

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The shirt around the neck is maybe not such a good idea. Anything putting pressure on the adam's apple or wind pipe is not such a good idea. If you'd like to keep experimenting with breath, you might consider having him just cover your nose and mouth with his hand, as that is by far the "safest" form of breathplay.

If you get off on the feeling of something around your throat, however, you might have him try pressure on the sides of the neck which constricts the flow of blood through your jugulars and gives a very similar rush. It's still risky play, but more in the realm of damage than death.

Hope this helps... Be careful and have fun!

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RE: Breathplay Question... - 8/2/2009 6:19:45 PM

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Accidents happen, as prepared and experienced as someone thinks they are (and they very well might be); things can still go wrong. Stuff can still happen. I understand that "accidents" with breathplay are generally irreversible.

I'm still not sure if we're going to try it again. If I can't come up with any kind of answer as to why it happened I doubt we will; because if we can't prepare for what could go wrong it's definitely too dangerous. It's dangerous to start with. Not being prepared is just not smart.

My response scared him more than me. He admits to have been preparing for possibly the worst or at least extremely bad within those 60 seconds. Like I said, I was mostly coherent, so I was aware of what was going on. I was completely aware of the spasms or convulsions or whatever they were and I had enough sense to tell myself to stop. There was just a delay in reaction time.

I thought that perhaps the shirt was too "rough" of a start, so to speak. I was also unaware that he would be attempting breathplay even though it had been discussed earlier in the day. I didn't know it would be so soon...

He's convinced that my response was more biological and physiological, but I'm not yet completely willing to rule out it had nothing to do psychologically. I'm just trying to understand why it happened, if anyone has ever seen it before, and could explain it to me.

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RE: Breathplay Question... - 8/2/2009 6:29:15 PM

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Do you maybe have a primary doc that you see regularly who you can ask about this? I really have no idea about the physical response you had. I get swoopy as hell and have had a few trembles, but actual convulsions are new to me.

Edited to add: What was your headspace like.... how did you feel emotionally? That could perhaps contribute to it if you want to approach it from a psychological angle?

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RE: Breathplay Question... - 8/2/2009 6:43:16 PM

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The medical situation right now is complicated, but the simplest answer would be no. The family doctor would probably write me up as suicidal. Which is not the case. Plus the family doesn't need to know...

Like I said, I was mostly coherent. Mostly. Trying to analyze what I felt in the first 10 seconds before I blacked out is a little difficult. I wasn't scared. I don't remember being afraid at all throughout the whole ordeal. I was surprised, yeah. I didn't expect it to happen that quickly after having talked about it. I wasn't dizzy. I felt relatively grounded. Everything just started to fade out. Then it was like someone just turned the light off, complete black, and immediately back on. Except when the "light" came back everything was out of focus, shaky, almost like the room was spinning (just not in circles). It was a struggle because my body wouldn't listen. I know that probably sucks as far as a description, but 10 seconds isn't much to go off of...

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RE: Breathplay Question... - 8/2/2009 6:51:35 PM

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Fading out, shakiness, etc, all sound about right to me, but the convulsions still have me at a loss. Send me a PM if you ever figure it out!

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RE: Breathplay Question... - 8/2/2009 7:27:30 PM

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From what you describe, you passed out from carotid artery play, as the t-shirt was probably tight enough around your neck to compress the carotid arteries. Basically, you deprived your brain of the blood needed to supply oxygen.

One of two things probably happened -- as you were passing out, your body was twitching as the brain began to lose consciousness and thus began to lose control over your limbs -- this often happens to folks as they fall asleep, an involuntary twitching of the muscles as they relaxed. If the twitching started after you passed out (say as you were waking up), it was probably your body attempting to gain control over those muscles again.

You should do research into symptoms and side effects of Syncope (the medical term for fainting).

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RE: Breathplay Question... - 8/2/2009 7:34:13 PM

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No offense to anyone, but ^ that ^ was definitely most helpful.

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RE: Breathplay Question... - 8/8/2009 7:21:51 PM

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i am a new slave and have been expereinceing breath play with my master, while i love it so far i am still very frieghtend by it. he has not taken me to the pass out stage yet but i would like to go there at least once. I am very curiouse about a lot of things being new to the lifestyle, be careful and be safe

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RE: Breathplay Question... - 8/8/2009 7:37:42 PM

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Danger, danger.
Yes, the seizure-like movements are signs of not enough blood to the brain/low blood pressure; you would have died or stroked out in another moment.
That's too far, and too dangerous, especially with someone who obviously doesn't know the risks of what he did to you, and didn't know how to look after you when you were within seconds of dying [he should have got you lying down with your legs up, turned on your side, which is basic CPR and he didn't even know that.] 'Cautious' doesn't mean educated or skilled.
That 'dom' risked stroke and death, which happen all the time with choke-holds and erotic asphyxiation. Don't go there. Brain good, keep brain.

If you want to try breath play, the least dangerous way I know is hyperventilating with your head over the end of the bed, but not everyone is healthy enough even for that.
And next time, ask your doc or a medical hotline about a medical question. Don't be embarrassed, they've heard it all, and they've seen the consequences.

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RE: Breathplay Question... - 8/8/2009 8:23:51 PM

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Tantriqu is right - breath play is very dangerous.

If you keep doing it, you will end up dead or worse.

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RE: Breathplay Question... - 8/12/2009 12:21:57 PM

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Perhaps you were already low in oxygen saturation. If that was the case, you may have not had enough oxygen in your brain and it wasn't a convulsion, it was you're bodies way of... Rejolting itself. As if it was struggling to breathe.

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RE: Breathplay Question... - 8/12/2009 6:37:56 PM

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I would suggest starting off more subtly with any new play, such as a hand over the nose and mouth rather than something around your neck. My former owner used to chock me until I passsed out, I loved it. I knew the risks though but that is why I liked it so much honestly. When I would regain consciousness sometimes my body would twitch and shake for a few moments not as sever as a seizure or convulsion but enough to get noticed. My doctor said it was actually a normal reaction after loosing consciousness. I am thankful I have a very very open minded doctor.

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RE: Breathplay Question... - 8/12/2009 11:07:09 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: xiam
If you get off on the feeling of something around your throat, however, you might have him try pressure on the sides of the neck which constricts the flow of blood through your jugulars and gives a very similar rush. It's still risky play, but more in the realm of damage than death.

Hope this helps... Be careful and have fun!

when i was about 27 years old, i ended up in the psych ward. one of the other patients was a young girl, around 18. she was being treated for severe depression and also given physical therapy for her right arm and leg.

why is this revelant? because she and her brother were horsing around, he put her in a neck hold just like in WWF wrestling....and she had a stroke. 18 years old, and she's not only deeply depressed, she's got to relearn how to WALK and write and speak clearly again. not to mention feed herself, dress herself and all those other things we take for granted.

cutting off the supply of blood to the brain is just as dangerous as cutting off breath to the lungs, and thereby oxygen to the brain. same thing, you could end up dead.

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RE: Breathplay Question... - 8/12/2009 11:23:38 PM

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kitten,
No offense but everything in life has risks-- most of what I do as far as "kink" is risky. For some people that is what draws them to certain things - -- the risk factor. While others simply don't want to live their lives in fear of the "what -ifs". I think if your going to do new things educate yourself, on the risks. Then make an educated choice if it is worth the risk.

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RE: Breathplay Question... - 8/13/2009 12:18:17 AM

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kitten,
No offense but everything in life has risks-- most of what I do as far as "kink" is risky. For some people that is what draws them to certain things - -- the risk factor. While others simply don't want to live their lives in fear of the "what -ifs". I think if your going to do new things educate yourself, on the risks. Then make an educated choice if it is worth the risk.

its a solid risk to do breathplay, yes. and we can read and not *hear* of anyone suffering from it, i'm just saying that i *have* seen the results of someone squeezing the neck of someone else, and what happened to her.

sometimes its like me talking to my boyimp. when he was little, he kept wanting to do things that were unsafe, and i'd have to answer the why of it when he was told no. and sometimes he chose to do it anyway, you know?

i'm not saying "dont do this". its not my cup of tea, i have issues from being choked long ago. i cant even wear a turtleneck!

if a person wants to do *anything*......they should be aware of the risks. the OP had something happen that wasnt in the books, and could be a warning sign to not do it again....who knows. and she may just keep doing it because she likes that feeling.

kitten, who shouldnt be posting when she should be sleeping.

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RE: Breathplay Question... - 8/13/2009 6:30:25 PM

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exactly: if a person wants to do *anything*......they should be aware of the risks.

Often, I will link to an article by Jay Wiseman.

Here is a different one that covers the risks well.

http://www.holisticwisdom.com/breath-play.htm

I am not the safety police.
But I often wonder if when this type of play is discussed if people really know what all of the risks are.

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RE: Breathplay Question... - 8/13/2009 9:18:19 PM

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Another safer way to try breath play, wear a corset that the Dom can reach the clasps, straps, whatever. He can tighten it enough to restrict your airflow without worry about crushing your windpipe or carotid arteries. In fact you may find that a tight enough corset will have the same effect as choking on your sensations as you cannot fill your lungs in the heat of the moment. The reduced oxygen effect is about the same but there is always enough flow so you don't die...

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