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SassySarijane -> RE: Am I being unreasonable? (8/9/2009 8:01:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero quote: ORIGINAL: SassySarijane I think it was unreasonable. I wouldn't have done it. It's one thing to do "naughty" things in your home when your own kids are asleep. It's something else when you are asked/expected/ordered to do something naughty in someone else's home while babysitting someone else's kids. Because the kids, surely, can detect these subtle moral differences? No, because of the manners, courtesy and morals I was taught growing up. In someone else's house, without their ok on it, I'm not going to do a sexual task for a dominant. It's their house and their rules and expectations. If I can't have the courtesy to respect that, then I don't need to be in their home, watching their kids with them gone. If I'm there to babysit their kids for them, I don't need to be playing sex games in their house during that time.

NihilusZero -> RE: Am I being unreasonable? (8/9/2009 8:03:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel Am i the only one who is raising an eyebrow that what we are speaking about is considered or calling it "naughty?" When i have sex or do sexual things sorry but its not naughty (inappropriate at the time maybe lol but if ya don't get caught idea comes to mind). Its sex and sexual acts folks, the reason people always look at kinky things as wrong is because of the idea its "naughty." angel [tangent] I've been incredibly surprised at the number of people who view not just sexuality, but their own aspects of WIITWD with an underlying scent of moral (for lack of a better, perhaps softer, word) 'filth'. Sexuality if the reason the baby is alive. and yet, somehow repulsive (in concept) once the conception is done. [/tangent]

LillyoftheVally -> RE: Am I being unreasonable? (8/9/2009 8:03:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel Am i the only one who is raising an eyebrow that what we are speaking about is considered or calling it "naughty?" When i have sex or do sexual things sorry but its not naughty (inappropriate at the time maybe lol but if ya don't get caught idea comes to mind). Its sex and sexual acts folks, the reason people always look at kinky things as wrong instead of natural is because of the idea thrown around that its "naughty or wrong." angel Yeah to be honest I roll my eyes at the word naughty. But what we are talking about isnt really kink it is about the morality of engaging in any sex act in someone elses home

NihilusZero -> RE: Am I being unreasonable? (8/9/2009 8:05:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SassySarijane No, because of the manners, courtesy and morals I was taught growing up. Well, then that's it. We can't argue about whether someone chooses to espouse a certain moral code or not. However, choosing to espouse any hefty moral code as a slave (or sub in a heavy PW dynamic) is contradictory to the concept. thinks to self that I need to start that thread topic, finally

NihilusZero -> RE: Am I being unreasonable? (8/9/2009 8:11:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally Yeah to be honest I roll my eyes at the word naughty. But what we are talking about isnt really kink it is about the morality of engaging in any sex act in someone elses home Surely, all of us have been teenagers at one time. Is it just because certain things are more casually put into the "expect it to happen" box? Would a homeowner, for instance, invite a friend-couple over and somehow have the mental expectation in his head that, while in the privacy of the guest bedroom, they shouldn't engage in normal couple activities while in his house? I mean, it could very well be me and the fact I've habitually been around very sexually open people.

LillyoftheVally -> RE: Am I being unreasonable? (8/9/2009 8:14:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero quote: ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally Yeah to be honest I roll my eyes at the word naughty. But what we are talking about isnt really kink it is about the morality of engaging in any sex act in someone elses home Surely, all of us have been teenagers at one time. Is it just because certain things are more casually put into the "expect it to happen" box? Would a homeowner, for instance, invite a friend-couple over and somehow have the mental expectation in his head that, while in the privacy of the guest bedroom, they shouldn't engage in normal couple activities while in his house? I mean, it could very well be me and the fact I've habitually been around very sexually open people. If a friend asked me to babysit, and I instead was wanking away and then something happened, the kid got hurt she came home whatever do you think that my friend would be saying 'we were all teenagers once?' To be honest there are things I genuinely wouldnt do, its not about being closed or prudish it is about courtesy.

barelynangel -> RE: Am I being unreasonable? (8/9/2009 8:19:36 AM)
grins okay what if she is able to cum on command? I mean would that have been inappropriate? What if she is like me and simply can lay back and her mind can bring her to orgasm without ever touching herself? We are speaking about cumming -- hell some people have gone to work to the bathroom and did the deed from the stories i have heard. I mean if you want to talk about moral dilemmas -- should she really have been on the phone with her mind NOT focused on the child sleeping? angel

SassySarijane -> RE: Am I being unreasonable? (8/9/2009 8:20:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero quote: ORIGINAL: SassySarijane No, because of the manners, courtesy and morals I was taught growing up. Well, then that's it. We can't argue about whether someone chooses to espouse a certain moral code or not. However, choosing to espouse any hefty moral code as a slave (or sub in a heavy PW dynamic) is contradictory to the concept. thinks to self that I need to start that thread topic, finally (bolding mine) Not really, you just find someone whose moral code matches yours and it becomes pretty much a non-issue then. It's still about finding the person or persons who match, not oh he's a master/dom I'm a sub/slave so must obey.

SassySarijane -> RE: Am I being unreasonable? (8/9/2009 8:21:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally To be honest there are things I genuinely wouldnt do, its not about being closed or prudish it is about courtesy. Exactly.

LillyoftheVally -> RE: Am I being unreasonable? (8/9/2009 8:21:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel grins okay what if she is able to cum on command? I mean would that have been inappropriate? What if she is like me and simply can lay back and her mind can bring her to orgasm without ever touching herself? We are speaking about cumming -- hell some people have gone to work to the bathroom and did the deed from the stories i have heard. Im pretty sure that if the OP could cum on command it would have been a non issue.

daintydimples -> RE: Am I being unreasonable? (8/9/2009 8:22:54 AM)
I was being facetious by using the term naughty . . .since I am very aware it's the nature of the request that some take issue with. Would the OP have the same issues if she'd been asked to concentrate on a more mundane task? I think not. As always, just my opinion.

SassySarijane -> RE: Am I being unreasonable? (8/9/2009 8:23:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel I mean if you want to talk about moral dilemmas -- should she really have been on the phone with her mind NOT focused on the child sleeping? angel No she shouldn't have in my opinion. She was there to babysit.

NihilusZero -> RE: Am I being unreasonable? (8/9/2009 8:23:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally If a friend asked me to babysit, and I instead was wanking away and then something happened, the kid got hurt she came home whatever do you think that my friend would be saying 'we were all teenagers once?' But, clearly this has nothing to do with a sexual issue and just with a negligence issue. You could have taken the same amount of time to go to the bathroom and had an unexpected accident happen.

lronitulstahp -> RE: Am I being unreasonable? (8/9/2009 8:25:27 AM)
quote: That doesn't sounds like a "limit" to me. It sounds like an inconvenience. She refers to her D-type as "owner" as classifies her profile as "slave". It depends on the dynamic. i've a friend who has a Master, she is considered "owned property, but not a "slave". It takes all kinds, and fortunately there is room for all of us. Sleeping children arent comatose, they are often roused from sleep. As much as one is owned, or even a slave...they are still legally responsible for their actions. It is criminal to engage in masturbation in front of children. Even with sleeping children, the assumption is made that the adult in charge is responsible for their safety and care. Child neglect and endangerment laws cover the nocturnal hours as well. typos grrr

NihilusZero -> RE: Am I being unreasonable? (8/9/2009 8:26:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SassySarijane (bolding mine) Not really, you just find someone whose moral code matches yours and it becomes pretty much a non-issue then. It's still about finding the person or persons who match, not oh he's a master/dom I'm a sub/slave so must obey. Personally, I think it should be both (and that your trust in his moral code [not just your adherence to yours]) is the guiding motivation. (Note: I mean a general "you", "your" and "yours", not specifically you.)

LillyoftheVally -> RE: Am I being unreasonable? (8/9/2009 8:26:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero quote: ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally If a friend asked me to babysit, and I instead was wanking away and then something happened, the kid got hurt she came home whatever do you think that my friend would be saying 'we were all teenagers once?' But, clearly this has nothing to do with a sexual issue and just with a negligence issue. You could have taken the same amount of time to go to the bathroom and had an unexpected accident happen. Bathroom, having a wank, bathroom, having a wank... sorry just wondering on which occasion the biggest issue would occur. You need to go to the bathroom, you dont need to have a wank. Also I just think its rude, sorry but I do. Call me closed minded all you like to be its not on. I would be unhappy if someone went and had a wank in my bedroom or on my sofa because there is quite simply no need for it.

NihilusZero -> RE: Am I being unreasonable? (8/9/2009 8:28:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SassySarijane quote: ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally To be honest there are things I genuinely wouldnt do, its not about being closed or prudish it is about courtesy. Exactly. This could get too convoluted and off topic..but sometimes it's interesting to dissect the reasons we view something as discourteous when there's likely no logical reason for it to be.

NihilusZero -> RE: Am I being unreasonable? (8/9/2009 8:29:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally Im pretty sure that if the OP could cum on command it would have been a non issue. Now, wait a sec. So now it's not a sexual issue? So the cumming itself in the house of another isn't the problem...it's just having to touch yourself to make it happen?

NihilusZero -> RE: Am I being unreasonable? (8/9/2009 8:31:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp It is criminal to engage in masturbation in front of children. Even with sleeping children, the assumption is made that the adult in charge is responsible for their safety and care. Child neglect and endangerment laws cover the nocturnal hours as well It is?! (Not being abrasive...genuinely curious. I'd like to see the legal explanations of this). And this certainly could not apply to the parents, though.

LillyoftheVally -> RE: Am I being unreasonable? (8/9/2009 8:32:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero quote: ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally Im pretty sure that if the OP could cum on command it would have been a non issue. Now, wait a sec. So now it's not a sexual issue? So the cumming itself in the house of another isn't the problem...it's just having to touch yourself to make it happen? Love a kid walks in and see you smiling, thats fine, a kid walks in and sees you vigorously rubbing yourself. You are not their parent, you have no right in deeming what is acceptable for them to see, and for many this would be acceptable. I am just getting the feeling you are being obtuse now to be honest, it would worry me if you actually cant see the distinction.

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