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RE: Someone's a little touchy! - 8/19/2009 6:26:39 PM   
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Men get to throw fits and we expect it, educated women don't until it becomes necessary. Because of her history Hillary is more scrutinized than any other woman on television.
Some people need to be put in their place by a bitch moment. So here is mine:
Children, should never be asked to comment on their parent's marriages, especially their sex lives, even if their parents are running for office. It is extremely unclassy, immature and unnecessary. What could you possibly learn from her opinion? How does that make any difference in her parents' abilities? It doesn't. They just did it to needle her, to make her uncomfortable and sad.
Shame on you for supporting such atrocities!
Loki you are just as disgusting as the fellow who asked the question of Chelsea, and Rush Limbaugh who felt it necessary to call a child ugly.

I hope you have Turrets to blame for it!

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RE: Someone's a little touchy! - 8/19/2009 9:10:05 PM   
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Men get to throw fits and we expect it, educated women don't until it becomes necessary. Because of her history Hillary is more scrutinized than any other woman on television.
Some people need to be put in their place by a bitch moment. So here is mine:
Children, should never be asked to comment on their parent's marriages, especially their sex lives, even if their parents are running for office. It is extremely unclassy, immature and unnecessary. What could you possibly learn from her opinion? How does that make any difference in her parents' abilities? It doesn't. They just did it to needle her, to make her uncomfortable and sad.
Shame on you for supporting such atrocities!
Loki you are just as disgusting as the fellow who asked the question of Chelsea, and Rush Limbaugh who felt it necessary to call a child ugly.

I hope you have Turrets to blame for it!

If when asked that question when Chelsea was helping her mother to campaign, she wasn't exactly a child.  She was a grown woman.  It's not exactly like she was a kid.

How a person conducts themselves within their marriage, their business, and their life should absolutely be questioned when they run for any elected office. 


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RE: Someone's a little touchy! - 8/19/2009 11:48:14 PM   
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Men get to throw fits and we expect it, educated women don't until it becomes necessary.


I believe we've covered this already. There was no "need" for the way Hillary reacted in this case.

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Because of her history Hillary is more scrutinized than any other woman on television.


Yep. And she has no one to blame but herself.

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Some people need to be put in their place by a bitch moment.


So you admit she was simply being a bitch. Good. Now we're getting somewhere.

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So here is mine: Children, should never be asked to comment on their parent's marriages, especially their sex lives, even if their parents are running for office. It is extremely unclassy, immature and unnecessary. What could you possibly learn from her opinion? How does that make any difference in her parents' abilities? It doesn't. They just did it to needle her, to make her uncomfortable and sad.


So much incorrect, so little time. Firstly, as LP already pointed out, Chelsea is a grown woman who made the CHOICE to campaign for her mom. Secondly, she wasn't asked to comment on anyone's sex life. She was asked SPECIFICALLY about her mom's choice to remain with her father despite the affair, which speaks directly to her judgement. So yes, there very much was a valid reason to ask a probing question about a person trying to win a nomination for PRESIDENT.

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Shame on you for supporting such atrocities! Loki you are just as disgusting as the fellow who asked the question of Chelsea, and Rush Limbaugh who felt it necessary to call a child ugly. I hope you have Turrets to blame for it!


And this last but speaks directly as an example of the OP. Was there really a need for this outburst or was it just an emotional reaction? Nevermind,
I already know the answer.

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RE: Someone's a little touchy! - 8/20/2009 6:41:37 AM   
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She was a child at the time of the affair. And asking a question related to the affair is asking about her parent's sex life. Grossly inappropriate. Hilary wrote a book about her marriage and her decision to stay in it. No one needs to ask her DAUGHTER'S OPINION, given that her DAUGHTER was not running for office, and did not make that decision because she was a child at the time.

No other country (except perhaps the middle east) is concerned about a politician's sex life, and in fact revere Clinton for his virility. Only American "feminists" are opposed to her decision to stay in her marriage.

Hilary get s to be bitchy whenever someone asks an inappropriate question, just as every other politician does. There is a double standard for women.



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RE: Someone's a little touchy! - 8/20/2009 7:06:36 AM   
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Again, she wasn't a kid when the question was asked.  It was asked when she was grown and actively assisting in the campaign.  Did it bother you in random interviews that Chelsea gave on numerous occasions what it was like growing up in the white house and how she felt those years that Hilary served as First Lady could lend to her ability to hold office?

Please show Me the opinion polls from other countries that show people in other countries revered Clinton for his virility.  I'd be very interested in seeing those.  I'd also love to have the numbers reworked from polls taken in this country at the time that showed only feminists thought Hilary should have left the marriage.  I doubt you're going to find that infidelity matters that little.


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RE: Someone's a little touchy! - 8/20/2009 12:12:28 PM   
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  I could absolutely understand where Hillary was coming from in reaction to the question.

She was being discounted and marginalized by the badly translated question she recieved from the translator. She is the current Secratary of State and the question implied that she was the little empty-headed wifey (and no, I don't believe that most wives are empty-headed) with no opinion or mind of her own.

If the question had been correctly translated, I'm sure she would have given her boss's view on the question asked.

After the Q and A she shook hands with the student who asked the question.

As far as her staying with Bill after one fling was brought to light, that should be between her and Bill, shouldn't it?


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RE: Someone's a little touchy! - 8/20/2009 12:16:54 PM   
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She was a child at the time of the affair. And asking a question related to the affair is asking about her parent's sex life. Grossly inappropriate. Hilary wrote a book about her marriage and her decision to stay in it. No one needs to ask her DAUGHTER'S OPINION, given that her DAUGHTER was not running for office, and did not make that decision because she was a child at the time.


Doesn't matter when she was a child. She's an adult now and her opinion of the incident is as valid as anyone else's. So is asking that opinion. And I will repeat, since you seem unwilling or unable to understand they weren't asking about the SEX LIFE, they were asking about her mothers decision to remain married to her father. You can re-word it and insinuate that they were asking about the sex life, but they were not. And to continue to press that issue despite the truth just shows how reactionary you are being about this.

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No other country (except perhaps the middle east) is concerned about a politician's sex life, and in fact revere Clinton for his virility. Only American "feminists" are opposed to her decision to stay in her marriage.


Wanna bet? You don't want much news, do you?

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Hilary get s to be bitchy whenever someone asks an inappropriate question, just as every other politician does.


Sure she does, if she wants to show a total lack of class. Not that she's any stranger to that. She had absolutely zero during the campaign.


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RE: Someone's a little touchy! - 8/23/2009 12:09:17 PM   
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Hmmm,Clinton's virility...well, the President of France at the time made comments directly about how he and the French could not understand what the big deal was.
And countries have specifically asked for Bill to come as the U.S. rep, and have even confirmed negotiations before his arrival because they respect and honor him so much, hence the reason he is being shipped all over the world.

Loki:
I don't watch the news, ever, I read it, because most of the "news" on television is sensational B.S. designed for people who enjoy humiliating others with lies and innuendo.

Chelsea should not be asked any questions about her mother's decision to stay after her father's sexual indiscretion, which is the question, and does involve directly, their sex life. I'm sorry you are too simple to understand. WHether she is an adult or not, Hilary's decision to stay was already addressed in her book, and Chelsea's opinion, because she was a child at the time, is not relevant, entirely subjective and private. She has gotten past it, forgiven her father, why can't you? Didn't hurt you or the country (except the cost of the witch hunt.) Only his family.

I admire Hilary for staying despite the hypocrites who condemned her for it. Especially those who are supposedly open minded, on this website. Most of the people in the kink community I know have open marriages where a blowjob from an intern would not have been an issue. Why is it such an issue for the President and his wife to have an interesting sex life when all of us prescribe to it? Why do they have to conform to vanilla rules to be in power???

Apparently strong women now leave an uncomfortable situation, instead of working it out.

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RE: Someone's a little touchy! - 8/23/2009 12:42:36 PM   
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LadyPact:
Hmmm,Clinton's virility...well, the President of France at the time made comments directly about how he and the French could not understand what the big deal was.
And countries have specifically asked for Bill to come as the U.S. rep, and have even confirmed negotiations before his arrival because they respect and honor him so much, hence the reason he is being shipped all over the world.


Loki:
I don't watch the news, ever, I read it, because most of the "news" on television is sensational B.S. designed for people who enjoy humiliating others with lies and innuendo.

Chelsea should not be asked any questions about her mother's decision to stay after her father's sexual indiscretion, which is the question, and does involve directly, their sex life. I'm sorry you are too simple to understand. WHether she is an adult or not, Hilary's decision to stay was already addressed in her book, and Chelsea's opinion, because she was a child at the time, is not relevant, entirely subjective and private. She has gotten past it, forgiven her father, why can't you? Didn't hurt you or the country (except the cost of the witch hunt.) Only his family.

I admire Hilary for staying despite the hypocrites who condemned her for it. Especially those who are supposedly open minded, on this website. Most of the people in the kink community I know have open marriages where a blowjob from an intern would not have been an issue. Why is it such an issue for the President and his wife to have an interesting sex life when all of us prescribe to it? Why do they have to conform to vanilla rules to be in power???

Apparently strong women now leave an uncomfortable situation, instead of working it out.

No offense there, Lostkitten, but I don't really think that the citizens of a country hold the same opinion of the leader of that country on all subjects.  At any given time, many constituents disagree with a number of things that are said.  For example, do you agree with everything that Obama says from his personal opinion?  Did you agree with everything that Bush said when he was in office? 

Bill gets the same diplomatic treatment by any other friendly country as any other past president.  I don't tend to think it has much of anything to do with the fact of whether or not he can keep his pants up or down.

Being open minded has nothing to do with a person's stance on infidelity.  It might interest you some time to read what many folks on this site see as the difference between poly fidelity, rather than poly fuckery.  Quite frankly, the people you know in the kink community is not My experience.  In fact, I find a good number to be monogamous.

Since you read the book and I didn't, did Hilary happen to say they had an open marriage or any such agreement where the blow job, or Bill's other "interesting" trists were acceptable to her?  If she did, she left that part out in countless interviews that she did at the time. 

We'll probably just have to have different opinions on the subject.  The reason you respect her is the very reason that I don't have a shread of respect for her.


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RE: Someone's a little touchy! - 8/23/2009 6:49:13 PM   
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Chelsea should not be asked any questions about her mother's decision to stay after her father's sexual indiscretion, which is the question, and does involve directly, their sex life. I'm sorry you are too simple to understand.


And I'm sorry that you are too simple to understand that when someone in this country puts themselves willingly into the public spotlight as part of someone else's campaign for a public office, their opinions are very relevant, no matter what the subject is. This is especially true when it goes toward the subject of that person's judgement.

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WHether she is an adult or not, Hilary's decision to stay was already addressed in her book, and Chelsea's opinion, because she was a child at the time, is not relevant, entirely subjective and private.


Not when she puts herself into the public spotlight by campaigning for her mother. It is very relevant. She's standing there on a stage trying to convince people to vote for her mother. Those people want to know what kind of a person her mother is. They especially want to know what kind of a person or leader Chelsea thinks her mother is. And as anyone knows, in the world of politics, nothing is "off limits." Anything and everything can matter during an election.

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She has gotten past it, forgiven her father, why can't you? Didn't hurt you or the country (except the cost of the witch hunt.) Only his family.


This is one of the funnier things you've said to me. I could care less what Bill did. I've seen Hillary and don't blame him for getting a BJ, though he might have picked someone hotter to get it from.

This issue has never been about me forgiving anything. That's not even been the topic. The issue we are currently debating is whether it was ok for Chelsea to be asked about it. And it was, especially when she's trying to win support for her mother's campaign.

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RE: Someone's a little touchy! - 8/24/2009 11:05:16 AM   
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Well, we'll see how you feel when someone asks your kids about your relationship decisions based on your sexual practices.

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RE: Someone's a little touchy! - 8/24/2009 2:11:05 PM   
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Well, we'll see how you feel when someone asks your kids about your relationship decisions based on your sexual practices.


That's cute. But since I never plan to run for public office, nor do I plan to have kids. I seriously doubt that will happen.

And once again, since you really seem to have trouble in the reading department, Chelsea was *not* asked about anyone's sexual practices. She *was* asked about her mother decision to stay with her father. That question carries no sexual connotation to it at all. yes, we all know he got a BJ in the Oval Office. However, the question had nothing to do with that. I find it amusing that you continue to assert that it did. The question was simply asking about her thoughts on her mother's choice to remain married. That's it, nothing more.

You could ask me right now about my mom's decision to divorce my father and I will say that I think she made the right call. He's a jackass. I've heard all the stories and accusations from when I was younger. None of that impacts my opinion, however, because I know first-hand that he's a jackass.


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RE: Someone's a little touchy! - 8/24/2009 7:30:00 PM   
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Ah, yu have no kids, therefore you have no clue what you are talking about.

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RE: Someone's a little touchy! - 8/24/2009 7:40:55 PM   
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I'm aware that her fans are never going to grasp it (or admit to grasping it, anyway), but asking about Hillary's decision to stay with a man who publicly humiliated and betrayed her the way Bill did is a fair question about her judgement and thought process.  If her daughter decided to get on the stump, such a question doesn't seem out of line to me.

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RE: Someone's a little touchy! - 8/24/2009 8:11:03 PM   
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Ah, yu have no kids, therefore you have no clue what you are talking about


One again, you're incorrect and making connections that are not there.

Chelsea has no children either. She was asked about her *parents.*

I come from divorced parents myself and have been asked how I felt about it. Therefore I know exactly what I am talking about via first-hand experience.

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RE: Someone's a little touchy! - 8/24/2009 8:14:15 PM   
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Ah, yu have no kids, therefore you have no clue what you are talking about.

Some of us do, however, and on that basis have reason to know.  I know you wouldn't think that a person who is out in this lifestyle doesn't have adult children who are often asked these same types of questions, even in just day to day lives.  A person doesn't have to be involved in politics for that to happen.


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RE: Someone's a little touchy! - 8/25/2009 7:08:53 AM   
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I do think people in the lifestyle have kids who are asked, inappropriately, about it. It is one of my fears. They have no idea what it all means. I do my best to keep them from knowing anything about it.

And I am a child of divorce as well, but Chelsea is not, so you have no idea what it is like to be asked what you think of your mom staying with a man who has cheated on her. The fact that you think your Dad is a chump has no bearing on whether it is appropriate to ask you the question. And honestly the only time it should be asked is when someone is supporting the child going through the trauma, giving them the space to ponder it. I am pretty sure this reporter was not trying to help her, nor did he care about her opinion, but was simply attempting to disturb her, and pull the wind from her sails. If you had kids you would have more sympathy. Especially if you had a child whose Father cheated on her mother, as I do. We do our best to sheild our kids, and other's kids from those sorts of horrors.

Hilary already answered the question. To ask someone about their own trauma on a stump for entertainment is still inappropriate. Maybe if CHelsea were running for office I could understand, but not likely. It would be like if JFK Jr. got up to speak and someone asked him how he felt about his mom's funeral decisions. It is not asking directly about his Dad's assassination, but it is certainly going to bring up those memories now isn't it?

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RE: Someone's a little touchy! - 8/25/2009 2:38:47 PM   
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And I am a child of divorce as well, but Chelsea is not, so you have no idea what it is like to be asked what you think of your mom staying with a man who has cheated on her.


That exact question, no. Obviously not. But I have been asked questions about my parents relationship, it's the same thing. Don't try and claim that it's not because the exact word-for-word question wasn't asked. That's just venturing into the ridiculous.

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I am pretty sure this reporter was not trying to help her, nor did he care about her opinion, but was simply attempting to disturb her, and pull the wind from her sails.


Wrong again. (Notice a trend here.) The goal of the reporter was to ask a question that many people wanted to know. To give Chelsea the chance to speak on behalf of her mom and to try and win her mom some support. Look at what LadyPact has said. She's not alone in her thinking. There are *many* who wouldn't vote for Hillary because of the respect they lost for her. That question was a chance to win that support back. But, like mother like daughter, she responded poorly and the chance was missed. And what happened? Obama won. (Not that I mind of course, because I much prefer Obama personally.

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If you had kids you would have more sympathy. Especially if you had a child whose Father cheated on her mother, as I do. We do our best to sheild our kids, and other's kids from those sorts of horrors.


Now you're just getting silly. If I had a child whose father cheated on the mother, the cheater would be *me.* Stop trying to throw up smokescreens and divert the conversation. You're just wrong. You can take your righteous indignation stance all you like, but you can see many don't agree with you.

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Hilary already answered the question. To ask someone about their own trauma on a stump for entertainment is still inappropriate.


Once AGAIN, when the question goes to the judgement of said person who is running for the highest office in the land, it is VERY appropriate.

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Maybe if CHelsea were running for office I could understand,


If Chelsea were running for office, they wouldn't have asked it more than likely. She didn't make the judgement call that her mother did. So the situation would have no relevance. In this case, however, her mother's judgement was squarely in the spotlight and she's the one who put it there....especially with the stupid "3 am phone call" ads she liked to run.


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RE: Someone's a little touchy! - 8/26/2009 7:19:02 AM   
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Really? Many is you and Ladypact. How is that "many"?

And you really have the balls to tell me I'm wrong? Wow. Way to debate. I have a different opinion. One which you cannot understand. That doesn't make me wrong. That makes me different from you and Lady Pact.

Take a poll. See how many think I am wrong, then you may make that statement. However, I have found that often, even when it's eight people against one who think I am wrong, they usually find out they are the ones that are wrong.

Perhaps Chelsea is simply embarassed by the question, because she was so pissed at her Dad, as he had commented earlier in an interview, and she as a child didn't understand why her Mom made that decision. As an adult, not having been married, she would have no insight as to whether her mom made a good personal decision or not. She was clearly offended by the uestion. As was her mother offended by being asked her husband's opinion.

I really hate it Loki, when someone uses insults instead of logic to debate an issue.

Calling me names is very juvenile and a waste of time. You don't have to agree. But your life will be much easier if you allow for differing opinions.


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RE: Someone's a little touchy! - 8/26/2009 11:52:14 AM   
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Really? Many is you and Ladypact. How is that "many"?


No, LadyPact and I are merely two representations of the 'many' who don't come here. What....you think many people didn't lose respect for her? Well let's just ask President Hillary....oh wait. She's not president. That's right. She LOST. Guess many did lose respect for her.

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And you really have the balls to tell me I'm wrong? Wow. Way to debate. I have a different opinion. One which you cannot understand. That doesn't make me wrong. That makes me different from you and Lady Pact.


Same as you have the 'balls' to presume to know what a reporter was trying to do. In any court in this country if you sit on the stand and claim to know what another person was 'thinking' you will get at least one objection from opposing counsel and it will be sustained by the judge. So, if you can sit there and claim to know the inner mind of reporters questioning a campainer for a presidential candidate, I can say you're wrong. (Unless of course you were the reporter....which you weren't.)

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Take a poll. See how many think I am wrong, then you may make that statement. However, I have found that often, even when it's eight people against one who think I am wrong, they usually find out they are the ones that are wrong.


Polling isn't my job, nor is it an interest of mine. I've already explained how you can easily be 'wrong.' Don't claim to know what someone else is 'thinking' and I won't say you're wrong. Deal?

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Perhaps Chelsea is simply embarassed by the question, because she was so pissed at her Dad, as he had commented earlier in an interview, and she as a child didn't understand why her Mom made that decision. As an adult, not having been married, she would have no insight as to whether her mom made a good personal decision or not. She was clearly offended by the uestion. As was her mother offended by being asked her husband's opinion.


And in both cases, they could have handled the offending question with a lot more class. They chose not to.

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I really hate it Loki, when someone uses insults instead of logic to debate an issue.


Then why do you do it?

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Calling me names is very juvenile and a waste of time. You don't have to agree. But your life will be much easier if you allow for differing opinions.


I haven't called you names. However you *have* called me names. Why now are you attempting to play the victim card and claim I called you names?


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