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StoneFox -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/12/2009 3:23:32 AM)
You're so right, LadySweetOrSour. And those guys...they are called "do-me" subs because all they can think about is how to get us to service THEIR needs and wants without offering anything of any sort in return. Guys like that basically want a ProDomme who does charity work! lol

VanIsleKnight -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/12/2009 3:27:16 AM)
Eh, grandmother was the worst, dad's ex second worst, co-worker (who is in her early twenties) is about third. They're not too far behind one another though, first two at least tried to pretend they were decent people, co-worker openly flaunted it and would put her cell phone on speaker whenever she had our boss on the phone (who would take her to Vegas), not to mention the bragging or the angry guys that would come around work looking for their car. I don't see every woman like them, just the ones that demand tributes up front. Like I said, if you're demanding a tribute, making it a requirement for a relationship, then what does that make you? I have no problems giving gifts, and have done so in the past and will do so again in the future. None of my friends are those types of women at all and the ones I have met that are like that are few and far between. On CollarMe though they seem to be rampant, and it's discouraging. I bear in mind that a fair chunk of these are either professional Dommes or scammers, but it is still very irritating to see.

LadySweetOrSour -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/12/2009 3:28:11 AM)
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StoneFox -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/12/2009 3:32:59 AM)
Yes yes yes...ok, let's get AWAY from that. It really tarnishes the loveliness of TexasMaam's post to keep beating this dead horse.

allthatjaz -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/12/2009 4:15:10 AM)
I think the post would of been far lovelier if he had made her a paper rose, written her a poem or dedicated a love song to her. I have lived in the fast lane. My biggest tribute was a four bedroom house in a nice part of the city with a fully working dungeon to boot. All he asked was that he was my favorite 'the special one' Now my lover may make me a paper rose, write me a poem or dedicate a love song to me. I no longer have a craving for material gifts for proof that someone truly loves me. Money doesn't make me orgasm

thishereboi -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/12/2009 5:00:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VanIsleKnight grumbles Alright. But it seems nobody is accepting that fact that there are many, many women out there that see men as dollar bills and nice things and nothing more. Yes there are some out there. There are also men who see women as nothing but a hole to stick their dick in. So when you find one, move on to the next. There are also a lot of really wonderful women out there. Why don't you get off your computer and go try to meet one of them.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/12/2009 5:07:29 AM)
How wonderful that you have a fabulous companion that doesn't resent the responsibilities of your life! AND doesn't begrudge taking care of you! One of these years, maybe... LOL!

DarkSteven -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/12/2009 5:49:56 AM)
It's simple. The sub gives something to the Dom/me. It could be their time, their tasks, their body, their money. It's serving.

Arillis -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/12/2009 6:06:26 AM)
VanIsleKNight: I came to D/s as a second generation practitioner and to manhood by natures design so conflict with socially perceived manhood unfolding, social indoctrination and cultural demand existed from the onset. Couple that with interracial parents from widely separated geographic birth locations and your have a brief glimpse into the complexities and diversities making up at lease this persons opinion. VanIsleKnight, I am not supportive of exploitation in any manner irrespective of gender or self appointed title and certainly stand opposed to measuring the content of a slave based on his ability to foolhardily squander dollars. However, I am very supportive of and submerge myself and the counter balance in my life in highly upscale lavish living, including national and international travel that roots itself in highly varied cultures. Now I whole heartedly agree with your thinking that many internet indoctrinated sweat hogs with a whips demanding dollars collectively support each other but they are not what you obviously find acceptable so my question is, why have you ventured into this topic?

BoiJen -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/12/2009 6:11:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VanIsleKnight It still just reinforces the idea that to be successful and happy in life all a woman has to do is hold sexual power over a man. It's rather disgusting if you ask me, and merely propagates the idea that some women only want a man for his annual salary. Sorry, but bragging about all the nice little expensive "toys" someone buys you makes you look like a gold digging harlot rather then someone who claims to "love" the actual man they're with. Jaded about profiles? Try meeting some ProDommes that have been around for a few years, open you ears and LISTEN to them when they talk about their work. Part of the very REASON s-types get with FemDommes is because they hold sexual power over us. And if you don't think that's the case you're not being honest with yourself. The gifts MsTM describes ain't why she has her boy. It ain't why she loves her manthing. Those gifts as MsKitty has described it to me, are reminders of HOW MUCH he is committed to her, how much he wants to make her day, how much he wants to care for and take care of her. Any man buying any woman a gift will illicit a reaction. That reaction is an emphasis of that woman's feelings for that man. Example: creepy guy gives girl flowers..girl gets mad cuz guy is creepy, MsTM's manthing buys her stuff she likes, she gets revved up cuz here's her boy doing things for her that she enjoys. In reality, it's no different than ma making MsKitty breakfast or a whip for that matter, it's just assigning a cash value to it and letting someone else spend the hours making these things. That knee jerk reaction, is not a turn on for these women by the way. I'd reign that in if I were wanting to make a positive impression. In Leather, MsKitty's boi Ruling your world, one piece of unsolicited advice at a time From merriam-webster.com Solicit 1 a : to make petition to : entreat b : to approach with a request or plea <solicited Congress for funding Just so ya know, most ProDommes don't go searching for clients...the clients come to them understanding tribute is required, they either are prepared to pay said tribute or try to talk their way out of it.

allthatjaz -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/12/2009 6:29:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen The gifts MsTM describes ain't why she has her boy. It ain't why she loves her manthing. Those gifts as MsKitty has described it to me, are reminders of HOW MUCH he is committed to her, how much he wants to make her day, how much he wants to care for and take care of her. Any man buying any woman a gift will illicit a reaction. That reaction is an emphasis of that woman's feelings for that man. Example: creepy guy gives girl flowers..girl gets mad cuz guy is creepy, MsTM's manthing buys her stuff she likes, she gets revved up cuz here's her boy doing things for her that she enjoys. That knee jerk reaction, is not a turn on for these women by the way. I'd reign that in if I were wanting to make a positive impression. In Leather, MsKitty's boi Well actually he made a positive impression on me. I get the impression he has an opinion and isn't frightened of stating it on an open forum! Not all of us (although I was once) are turned on by big material gifts. Not all of us think that guys that just give us flowers are creepy! A well meaning hand made gift or a few wild picked flowers mean more to me than someone who buys me lots of expensive things just because they can. I for one can not be bought. From what your saying, all subs that are going to be successful in finding a Domme have to be generous money wise. If they have to be generous then surely they have to have money? Not all sub males have money to flaunt but that doesn't make them less submissive, less honest, less devoted. You can not measure the value of a person by a healthy bank balance. At least I can't.

BoiJen -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/12/2009 7:20:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: allthatjaz Well actually he made a positive impression on me. I get the impression he has an opinion and isn't frightened of stating it on an open forum! Not all of us (although I was once) are turned on by big material gifts. Not all of us think that guys that just give us flowers are creepy! A well meaning hand made gift or a few wild picked flowers mean more to me than someone who buys me lots of expensive things just because they can. I for one can not be bought. From what your saying, all subs that are going to be successful in finding a Domme have to be generous money wise. If they have to be generous then surely they have to have money? Not all sub males have money to flaunt but that doesn't make them less submissive, less honest, less devoted. You can not measure the value of a person by a healthy bank balance. At least I can't. I think you're misreading what I stated...I said creepy guy....as in "individual" said woman isn't in a relationship with cuz he creeps her out. Creepy guys gives girl flowers, girl is icked out. Girl felt guy was creepy to begin with and his "gift" only enhanced her feelings. The same goes for guy in relationship with girl gives girl flowers, guy gets lots of attention because she's appreciative. As I said...I think you misread my intentions there. For example, I have little money available for flex spending because we're tight, but what I do have is the inexpensive nylon and overage of materials it takes for my business to make whips and floggers for MsKitty. I've also made things in trade for other services so that She gets what She wants. My bank balance may be low but my efforts to keep Her happy are still there. MsTM's manthing shows his efforts everyday he goes to work so that he has the money to get her things she enjoys. This is no different. Edited to add: Having an opinion and blanketly coming out and telling a woman who is fawning over what her manthing did for is equating her to being a harlot are two different things. I know I'm known for tact on these boards but then again, I'm not the single guy looking. Just sayin... In Leather, MsKitty's boi

SaharahEve -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/12/2009 7:23:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven It's simple. The sub gives something to the Dom/me. It could be their time, their tasks, their body, their money. It's serving. Nice and simple.

OttersSwim -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/12/2009 7:26:48 AM)
I think it is important to read the subtext under the post - this is someone who cares for the Lady in his life and uses his talents and resources to support her. It is not the things or their monitary value, it is the "service" that is important here. He could just as easily be a pauper and shower her with paper roses, and take care of her things, and carry stuff, and fix stuff, and make her food...and be just as valued.

PeonForHer -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/12/2009 7:34:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadySweetOrSour Millions of male subs try to treat Mistresses like whores to be used as THEY see fit VIK. It happens across the board, not just with women. That said, you made a nice apology and explanation, then ruined it by continuing to rant about golddiggers. Let it be. No, VanIsleKnight didn't ruin his apology. TM put both credit (to her sub), and blame (to whining subs), where it was due. VanIsleKnight did likewise in what he wrote after he'd apologised. He saw that he was projecting - then pulled himself back. That deserves credit in my book. His grumbles thereafter were legitimate. quote: ORIGINAL: allthatjaz I think the post would of been far lovelier if he had made her a paper rose, written her a poem or dedicated a love song to her. I think TM's sub gave her tributes from exactly the same place in her sub as the paper roses and love songs you mention. She's right to feel beyond pleased. If I read TM correctly, he was expressly not 'paying for services', he was giving her tokens of his love and admiration. But: quote: : allthatjaz I have lived in the fast lane. My biggest tribute was a four bedroom house in a nice part of the city with a fully working dungeon to boot. All he asked was that he was my favorite 'the special one' Now my lover may make me a paper rose, write me a poem or dedicate a love song to me. I no longer have a craving for material gifts for proof that someone truly loves me. Money doesn't make me orgasm Thank you that at least one domme will say something like that. Everything seemed a damned sight clearer to me regarding 'tributes' in the vanilla world. I mentioned this incident once before: I was walking with my then vanilla partner past a field that had a rose bush in it. My girlfriend exclaimed about how much she loved it. I climbed a wall, got to the rose bush through briars (cutting my arms to ribbons in process) to get her the best flower I could see. That was a tribute, as far as I was concerned. Absolutely not a 'tribute' in the sense that 'tribute dommes' generally use that word, though. In the sense that I mean the word, a 'tribute' could just as easily be given by a domme to a submale. It's an interesting thought . . .

pyroaquatic -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/12/2009 7:41:43 AM)
I will agree that every D/s relationship is different.... but if doing dishes, scrubbing floors, sweeping, mopping, dusting, and generally making your life easier.... or giving money, buying gifts like clothing, perfume, toys, and providing other material things.... what is to stop a Domme from finding someone who can provide more? Perhaps I fear being cast aside for someone who has more money. I want a Domme who dominates me for me, not what I can provide. If I am going to give my lovely Domme anything it is going to be something I made from scratch. From my heart. And it definitely is going to be perfect. If I am going to give Her my body it is going to be a tight body. My service will be heavily detailed. I see it but I do not, TexasMa'am. Money is the root of all 'evil' and I am quite the cheap-ass.

LadyPact -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/12/2009 7:56:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Absolutely not a 'tribute' in the sense that 'tribute dommes' generally use that word, though. This is part of the problem right here. People see that word tribute and automatically link it to pro domination. That's why the word gets such a knee jerk reaction. quote: In the sense that I mean the word, a 'tribute' could just as easily be given by a domme to a submale. It's an interesting thought . . . It may be an interesting thought, but it wouldn't be entirely correct. Function: noun Pronunciation: 'tri-(")byüt, -by&t Etymology: Middle English tribut, from Latin tributum, from neuter of tributus, past participle of tribuere to allot, bestow, grant, pay, from tribus tribe 1 a : a payment by one ruler or nation to another in acknowledgment of submission or as the price of protection ; also : the tax levied for such a payment b (1) : an excessive tax, rental, or tariff imposed by a government, sovereign, lord, or landlord (2) : an exorbitant charge levied by a person or group having the power of coercion c : the liability to pay tribute 2 a : something given or contributed voluntarily as due or deserved ; especially : a gift or service showing respect, gratitude, or affection <floral tribute> b : something (as material evidence or a formal attestation) that indicates the worth, virtue, or effectiveness of the one in question <the product is a tribute to their ingenuity>

poeticfreak -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/12/2009 8:02:59 AM)
i don't have a problem with tribute in general, in fact i rather enjoy doing and providing for that special someone, it's just that when we start talking about it the emphasis is always put on money, and there always seems to be the implication that when the money runs out you'll move on to someone else

allthatjaz -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/12/2009 8:26:11 AM)
Then perhaps I am seeing this wrong but all that I was reading was costing money. Yes the money was being put to good use and used for wanted, needed and desired things as well as charitable. A cheap skate is (in my opinion) a tight assed rich person who refuses to dish out a dime, even to a beggar on the street. A generous person could be the poorest man in the world that would offer you his last slice of bread. My submissives generosity is given through his/her submission to me. His/her most appreciated gift is the giving of himself/herself to my hands.

pyroaquatic -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (8/12/2009 8:52:07 AM)
I've literally given my own shirt off of my back before. I just don't like money and I know these things cost exactly that. It was the attitude in which the OP had that jarred me. Not everyone is like that and it rubbed me the wrong way.

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