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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/25/2009 8:04:59 PM   
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LaT, with all due respect, it is because being a cheap slut is lauded on these boards, and being a woman who dominates as she wishes, including financially, is seen as dispicable and shameful.   

While Shaktisama may be on the intense side, I wholeheartedly agree with her thoughts/conclusions here.
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ShaktiSama
I have been on these forums for quite some time and have seen many, many Money Threads which vented, over and over, the same poisons.  Threads bashing pro dommes.  Threads bashing tribute dommes.  Threads bashing women who control the finances in relationships with their slaves and submissives.
Just sayin'...   M


Indeed, seen it here too. That motto: one hates what they fear seems applicable.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/25/2009 8:07:14 PM   
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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/25/2009 8:08:42 PM   
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CHEERWINE WANT

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..did Somebody mention Cheerwine? I live about 10 miles from where they bottle it..  ..and Sun-Drop.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/25/2009 8:11:03 PM   
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I too often wonder why some people within this subculture get so frustrated and bothered by what other consenting adults are doing.


I think it stems from a sense of frustration on the part of a lot of submissive men who either can't or don't want to pay.  They want all women to be available, whenever they want them to be available, preferably without any investment of time or money, but barring that, definitely not their money.  Then they dress up their frustration in the cloak of righteous indignation.  Seriously, if it's not your cup of tea, move on to a dominant who doesn't want money.  It'll likely be a lot harder to get her attention, though, as I can attest from experience:  it's a lot easier to buy your way in, in some cases, than to meet the domina's requirement that you be kind, amusing, helpful and patient. 

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/25/2009 8:11:19 PM   
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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/25/2009 8:11:37 PM   
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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/25/2009 8:14:17 PM   
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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/25/2009 8:15:26 PM   
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Welcome to the boards SaharahEve.    M

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/25/2009 8:19:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

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ORIGINAL: SaharahEve

I too often wonder why some people within this subculture get so frustrated and bothered by what other consenting adults are doing.


I think it stems from a sense of frustration on the part of a lot of submissive men who either can't or don't want to pay. They want all women to be available, whenever they want them to be available, preferably without any investment of time or money, but barring that, definitely not their money. Then they dress up their frustration in the cloak of righteous indignation. Seriously, if it's not your cup of tea, move on to a dominant who doesn't want money. It'll likely be a lot harder to get her attention, though, as I can attest from experience: it's a lot easier to buy your way in, in some cases, than to meet the domina's requirement that you be kind, amusing, helpful and patient.


I wholeheartedly agree.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/25/2009 8:20:34 PM   
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What's cheerwhine LadyH?
Welcome to the boards SaharahEve.    M


Why thank You, FullfigRiMaam1

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/25/2009 8:24:33 PM   
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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/25/2009 8:32:02 PM   
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I swear I was just thinking the same thing.  Wouldn't that be a shame?


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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/25/2009 8:32:26 PM   
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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/25/2009 8:35:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some thoughts on the topic by some kept dog I happen to know well.

Poetry of desire and longing is trivial and virtually meaningless in a virtual word. To manifest your interest with a gift or monetary sum is a far more difficult test. But tribute means nothing when it's easy; the amount should be something that hurts—something that is a sacrifice. Many contend that financial domination is impersonal, evil and absurd, but there are few things so personal and real as money, I believe. When it is given in the right spirit, when it is offered out of pure love and worship and not with the intent to prostitute, it is a beautiful thing.


If given in the right spirit, a tribute is merely a tribute—a gift to show admiration, affection or respect. It is when a tribute is given with conditions that it is no longer a tribute, but an ostentatious gesture to prostitute.


Just as sacrifice can be in vain, so too can it be for a good cause. Nowhere is this choice more grave than when it is carried out in blood. To know your Goddess sees you as a true acolyte who offers gifts out of love and adoration is far different than being the cash cow of a pretty twenty-something blonde who haphazardly learned about the money slavery buzz, and overnight decided to become a transient "Money Domme".


From my point of view, monetary tyranny is something to be exercised upon a servile soul after a bond has been formed. Those who would demand tribute in such excess in the beginning wield and assume a power that is entirely premature and unjustified; a slave is not a slave until it is a slave. Until that time, tithing and tribute in surplus quantity is akin to bleeding so much into the void; it is an unwise gesture of loyalty towards the faceless idol of a future which is not set.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/25/2009 8:37:12 PM   
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I think it stems from a sense of frustration on the part of a lot of submissive men who either can't or don't want to pay.  They want all women to be available, whenever they want them to be available, preferably without any investment of time or money, but barring that, definitely not their money.  Then they dress up their frustration in the cloak of righteous indignation.  Seriously, if it's not your cup of tea, move on to a dominant who doesn't want money.  It'll likely be a lot harder to get her attention, though, as I can attest from experience:  it's a lot easier to buy your way in, in some cases, than to meet the domina's requirement that you be kind, amusing, helpful and patient. 


That is an excellent summary of the situation, I believe.


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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/25/2009 8:46:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Beautifully said, and in a way I don't think even the cheap can disagree with.   M
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monetary tyranny is something to be exercised upon a servile soul after a bond has been formed. Those who would demand tribute in such excess in the beginning wield and assume a power that is entirely premature and unjustified; a slave is not a slave until it is a slave. Until that time, tithing and tribute in surplus quantity is akin to bleeding so much into the void; it is an unwise gesture of loyalty towards the faceless idol of a future which is not set.


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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/25/2009 8:49:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

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Financial domination is a radical departure from a normal, healthy, well-adjusted relationship.


  Yeah, and I'm just dying to be in one of those.

Just about every act and desire associated with BDSM has been pathologized at one time or another, and always will be.  I've read Psychopathia Sexualis just as porn.

For the vast majority of human beings "normal, healthy, well-adjusted relationships" do not include ANY form of bdsm play or power exchange, ever.  So you'll have to forgive us if these words have lost all power to intimidate in a community of people who have already found that they only feel happy or "well" when they are being "sick", "degenerate" and "depraved".

When it comes to genuinely consenting adults, there is no "healthy" or "sick".  There is only "hawt or not".  Using words that try to stigmatize other people's kinks and relationship dynamics is usually considered childish in this community, and rightly so.  Personally, I've noticed that the guys who endlessly whinge about financial domination are usually using the money as one of many ways of withholding power from a potential dominant.  The desire to avoid financial domination is always, without fail, accompanied by the rhetoric of egalitarianism and equality between the sexes and within the relationship.

Needless to say, that alone is a huge turn-off for some dommes, myself among them.  I don't give a damn about money in general, but if a man tried to use it as a means of withholding power I would take every dime and stick he had and every dime he'd ever make.  Resistance is futile. You will be devoured.   




With the myriad of harmful behavior out there it's understandable certain activities would not be tolerated, e.g. pedophilia. But it seems as though some people's intolerance extends beyond the scope of what is undoubtedly harmful behavior and into a realm where the cliche about stones and glass houses seems quite befitting. There will always be a storm of hypocrisy brewing within this subculture, ironically.


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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/25/2009 8:51:21 PM   
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Beautifully said, and in a way I don't think even the cheap can disagree with.   M
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monetary tyranny is something to be exercised upon a servile soul after a bond has been formed. Those who would demand tribute in such excess in the beginning wield and assume a power that is entirely premature and unjustified; a slave is not a slave until it is a slave. Until that time, tithing and tribute in surplus quantity is akin to bleeding so much into the void; it is an unwise gesture of loyalty towards the faceless idol of a future which is not set.



They certainly would be devoid of reason, if so.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/25/2009 11:06:40 PM   
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I have yet to see a 31 page thread


Many of the objections in this thread reduce to being financially used, especially from the point of introduction. There are plenty of threads or comments in this forum which voice an objection against being sexually used. When such objections against being sexually used are made, they are not challenged and, thus, there is not a lengthy back and forth discussion.

In general, being used in an unwanted way feels disrespectful in an unwanted way. It is unclear to me how a person can object to being used (whether for sex or for anything else) and not understand why another might not wish to be used (whether for money or anything else) in an unwanted manner, or support the notion of one person using another in an unwanted manner.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 8/25/2009 11:23:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SaharahEve
From my point of view, monetary tyranny is something to be exercised upon a servile soul after a bond has been formed.


I think this point is subjective.

In a romantic BDSM relationship, I think the concept of gifts or gestures of affection would apply rather than monetary tyranny. Even in non-romantic BDSM relationships, the notion of gifts and gestures of fondness can apply instead of monetary tyranny.

As for scenarios where it is monetary tyranny versus gifts or gestures of affection, different people respond to different expressions of dominance and submission in different ways. Some subs love cuckoldry, some do not. Indeed cuckoldry carries potential as an expression of dominance and submission. However, for some it carries a sense of disrespect or other unwanted associations and, thus, they do not engage in it. The same reasoning can apply to financial submission.

The point I wish to make is that monetary tyranny is not a natural part of or essential to a BDSM relationship.

I do see the D/s value in financial play. In the right circumstances I might even engage in it. In general, it raises flags and I steer clear of it. It is perfectly reasonable for me or for any other sub to do so.

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 Those who would demand tribute in such excess in the beginning wield and assume a power that is entirely premature and unjustified; a slave is not a slave until it is a slave. Until that time, tithing and tribute in surplus quantity is akin to bleeding so much into the void; it is an unwise gesture of loyalty towards the faceless idol of a future which is not set.


I agree. And if there is broad agreement over this point, I think it puts to side the major portion of the disagreement about this matter. Most objections by subs are against financial demands from the moment, or even before the moment of introduction--certainly before any relationship of the type described in the text quoted above has been established.

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To know your Goddess sees you as a true acolyte who offers gifts out of love and adoration is far different than being the cash cow of a pretty twenty-something blonde who haphazardly learned about the money slavery buzz, and overnight decided to become a transient "Money Domme".


For sake of discussion, what distinguishes the two scenarios contrasted above?

Cheers,

Sea

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