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Percentage of submissive females in general population? - 8/20/2009 4:02:11 PM   
JoeStalin


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Status: offline 		any serious research done in that area? if anyone has some links would appreciate. thanks!

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RE: Percentage of submissive females in general populat... - 8/20/2009 4:40:05 PM   
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Read this:
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~siona/personals.html

Simply put, the Men/Women ratio on the internet is 25:1.

Now here is another link on BDSM:

http://www.sexsupport.org/bdsmforyoungadults.html
In short:

Research shows some significant differences in opinion and behavior between men and women when it comes to erotic power exchange. We singled out the respondents between 18 and 24 years of age for you, because the answers of the respondents in this age range point to some very interesting conclusions.
Not a real phenomenum - in fact pretty well known in sexology - is the fact that young women are not so sure about their general sexual orientation as young men are. For example, almost the entire group of male respondents (96%) indicates their sexual orientation is heterosexual, whereas 71% of the female group indicates heterosexual and 29% is either curious about bisexuality or not sure about their orientation at all.
When it comes to role pattern however, the young men seem to be much less clear about their orientation. Only half of the male group indicates a positive dominant role (52%), 14% indicates to be submissive and 34% indicates to switch roles. The vast majority (71%) of the female respondents indicates they are submissive, 19% switches roles and 10% has a dominant orientation.
Also, young women appear to be much more active when it comes to erotic power exchange. A strong majority of 62% indicates they have had at least one active erotic power exchange experience, whereas only 32% of the male respondents say they have had such an active experience.
 
So basically, on top of the 25:1 ratio, more of those women are looking for other women.  Also, the ratios show that if you are a male sub, you're quite screwed!

Now I got lucky since the issue that caused me to be invisible on this website (being too young) resolved itself over time.  But honestly, if I knew back then that nobody was seeing me because women could afford tightening their search criterias, I probably would have given myself a few years just so that my damn profile would be seen.  I'd probably not be interested in those directly looking up my profile, but at least I would've had a chance at making a contact network.  Now  imagine someone who's just a bit too small, height or penis wise, to have women bother initiating conversation or even seeing their profile...

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RE: Percentage of submissive females in general populat... - 8/20/2009 8:36:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for that, it's the first time I've seen numbers for some of these things. However, I will say that the ratio of men to women has not been 3 or 4 to 1 at the bdsm events I've attended.

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RE: Percentage of submissive females in general populat... - 8/20/2009 9:14:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Indeed, and there are quite a few explanations to this:

First, this ratio is on alt.com which  means that there are many for whom it remains at the fantasy level.  These people are fine with looking around from the safety of their computer screen, but not necessarily ready to go in a public event.

Second, there are people who are kinksters but do no necessarily want to mix with the BDSM community.

Third, I think this is the most important factor, Have you tried to go to such an event as a single male?  The default reaction is to view you as a parasite.  Sure you can get past that initial reaction and have a good time, but you BETTER be interesting and be able to make a good first impression quickly.  Even then in my experience another single male Dom saw me a a rival, and was determined on making me look silly and coming off as the alpha male.  Its hard to have a good time in those conditions.  As a couple though, everything's fine and dandy, people are more sociable and want to discuss a lot more.  For single women though, the situation is the opposite the single male of course.  So yeah, its understandable if ratios are different in actual social events.

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RE: Percentage of submissive females in general populat... - 8/20/2009 9:41:26 PM   
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The two obvious factors at play are:

  • More men than women are interested in BDSM activities. Informed observers of the scene suggest that the male:female ratio here is 3 or 4 to 1.
  • More men than women are online. Figures floating around the internet suggest that the ratio in this country is 4 or 5 to 1.
    This explains the 25:1 ratio online, while you probably noticed a 3 or 4 to 1 ratio. I haven't been to enough events to personnally give numbers.


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    RE: Percentage of submissive females in general populat... - 8/21/2009 3:16:15 AM   
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    Status: offline     		I was very interested in the articles LDP and I want to thank you for posting them.

    Unfortunately, there's no way to consider any of that as hard data.  It is, afterall, the internet.  Taking the data from places like alt or CM makes it impossible to verify any of it.  Age, gender, and orientation are common categories where people are less than truthful in creating profiles.  Before Fet came along and alt was the easiest way to speak with those that I would play with in the Atlanta area, I used to tell people that the way to work the system was to have either a female or a couple's profile strictly for the benefit of viewing others without having to pay. 

    That's just one example.  There are dozens of reasons for the data to be skewed.  I wish that weren't the case, but unfortunately, there isn't any way to create hard data.


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    RE: Percentage of submissive females in general populat... - 8/21/2009 5:01:40 AM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: JoeStalin

    any serious research done in that area? if anyone has some links would appreciate. thanks!

    No links; just facts - MY facts...! ;-)

    I live in a city of about 200 thou, making 100 thou female. If I eliminate those under 18 and over... saaaay...., 60, there's maybe 50-60 thousand females of age here? Of those 60,000, there's less than 10 active fem/sub profiles on CM.

    Factor in the number who haven't discovered or explored their submissive side (or have been "got at" through assorted social pressures) and you're proabably looking at a hundred (or less?) at best - from 60,000!

    Answer = 0.16667% of the general population.

    Stats sure are depressing, ay?!? lol

    Focus.

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    RE: Percentage of submissive females in general populat... - 8/21/2009 6:11:48 AM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Focus50


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    ORIGINAL: JoeStalin

    any serious research done in that area? if anyone has some links would appreciate. thanks!

    No links; just facts - MY facts...! ;-)

    I live in a city of about 200 thou, making 100 thou female. If I eliminate those under 18 and over... saaaay...., 60, there's maybe 50-60 thousand females of age here? Of those 60,000, there's less than 10 active fem/sub profiles on CM.

    Factor in the number who haven't discovered or explored their submissive side (or have been "got at" through assorted social pressures) and you're proabably looking at a hundred (or less?) at best - from 60,000!

    Answer = 0.16667% of the general population.

    Stats sure are depressing, ay?!? lol

    Focus.

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    RE: Percentage of submissive females in general populat... - 8/21/2009 6:52:24 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: LordDarkPleasure

    Third, I think this is the most important factor, Have you tried to go to such an event as a single male? 


    LDP,

    Yes, I have gone twice now to dungeon parties and found it difficult to integrate.  It's probably me mostly, as people were generally open and friendly.  Without having any experience, and not really a good feel for what would interest me, I really felt like a beggar and struggled with it some.  Surely there are other guys in my boat.  I suspect others, more bold than I, succeed or come off as creepy. Good grief, I hope I wasn't creepy. 

    Back on point, it seemed that there were more sub women there, and even the new ones seemed to attract more attention.  Also, most of the Dommes there had BYOB. 

    yours


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    RE: Percentage of submissive females in general populat... - 8/21/2009 1:56:44 PM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: JoeStalin
    any serious research done in that area? if anyone has some links would appreciate. thanks!
    Well, just as an interesting angle, depending on what sociology study you read, something like 5-10% of the population falls into the natural leader category. So it might follow that 90% are followers. Whether "follower" equates to "submissive" in your mind is up to you.


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    RE: Percentage of submissive females in general populat... - 8/21/2009 2:04:37 PM   
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    ORIGINAL: leadership527
    Well, just as an interesting angle, depending on what sociology study you read, something like 5-10% of the population falls into the natural leader category. So it might follow that 90% are followers. Whether "follower" equates to "submissive" in your mind is up to you.

    You'd also need to take into account the "neither follower or leader" camp I think.  Whether that's caused by absolutely individualism, antisocialness or whatever.  (I'd say the Unabomber was neither a follower nor a leader). 

    I wouldn't like to hazard a guess at the exact percentage of genuine 'lone wolves' around though.  I suspect it's small.  And even among people with those tendencies, it doesn't necessarily follow that they're like it with everybody.  It's entirely possible that they simply only care about their interactions with their own small social circle.


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    RE: Percentage of submissive females in general populat... - 8/21/2009 2:35:09 PM   
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    Employment constitutes the most common form of submission.

    Statistics from the U.S. EEOC show that there are 10% more male employees in the private sector, and 12% more male employees in the public sector.

    Therefore, there are more male submissives, in the most common modality.



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    RE: Percentage of submissive females in general populat... - 8/21/2009 5:25:54 PM   
    slaveyslave


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    Status: offline     		The vast majority (71%) of the female respondents indicates they are submissive, 19% switches roles and 10% has a dominant orientation. i can not believe that. i have known alot of women, girlfriends, coworkers, friends and it seems as though submissive women are in the minority. i would assume that  that a submissive person would be really nice and accommodating and i have never known a women like that. i think this is one of those polls that asks questions in a leading way to get the answer they want. 50-50 maybe but 3/4s no way.

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    RE: Percentage of submissive females in general populat... - 8/21/2009 6:11:39 PM   
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    ORIGINAL: LadyPact

    Unfortunately, there's no way to consider any of that as hard data.  It is, afterall, the internet.  Taking the data from places like alt or CM makes it impossible to verify any of it.  ...
    I wish that weren't the case, but unfortunately, there isn't any way to create hard data.



    Exactly so. I really wish there were some good studies, but considering even we who live in this world cannot even reach a consensus on what constitutes a "submissive" or "Dominant", how in the world would Gallup or Kinsey or Guttmacher ever create a poll that could in any way be reliable?

    "Pardon me Ma'am, but have you ever:
    1. Felt submissive as in wanting another to control you, whether or not the submission included pain, or bondage, but not necessarily ruling that out as the primary driver of the relationship;
      1.A. Submissive as in wanting another to have some sort of power over you either internal or external within a framework that did not include economic surrender of power, but could in some cases require it?
      1.B. Submissive as in wanting another to make decisions for you, although you in fact made the original decision to surrender, but in fact was driven to the surrender by factors beyond your control as defiend by the absence..

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    RE: Percentage of submissive females in general populat... - 8/21/2009 8:55:41 PM   
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    RE: Percentage of submissive females in general populat... - 8/21/2009 9:13:05 PM   
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    ORIGINAL: JoeStalin

    any serious research done in that area? if anyone has some links would appreciate. thanks!


    None extensive enough to really make any truly vaild conclusions

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    RE: Percentage of submissive females in general populat... - 8/21/2009 9:20:30 PM   
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    RE: Percentage of submissive females in general populat... - 8/21/2009 9:41:00 PM   
    GotSteel


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    ORIGINAL: LordDarkPleasure

    Data taken from the first link:

    The two obvious factors at play are:
  • More men than women are interested in BDSM activities. Informed observers of the scene suggest that the male:female ratio here is 3 or 4 to 1.
  • More men than women are online. Figures floating around the internet suggest that the ratio in this country is 4 or 5 to 1.

      This explains the 25:1 ratio online, while you probably noticed a 3 or 4 to 1 ratio. I haven't been to enough events to personally give numbers.




      1. I read that already, thanks for the bold though. As an informed observer I'm pointing out that I've never been to an event that was 80% male. Maybe they haven't been 50/50 but close enough that I'd have to stand at the door with a clicker to find the difference.

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      ORIGINAL: LordDarkPleasure
      Have you tried to go to such an event as a single male?  The default reaction is to view you as a parasite. 


      I haven't experienced that, I've found people to be friendly regardless of whether or not my sub was at my side. Might I ask, what sort of events you've been going to?


      As for the online ratio, I have no idea, hopefully the ratio is a little better on this site as it doesn't seem to have quite the number of stalker trolls determined to drive every woman off that alt boasts. It seems that there are more female profiles on this site. Who knows how many of them are actually Nigerians or men but it would need to be a very large number to get to the 25:1 ratio that your talking about.


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      RE: Percentage of submissive females in general populat... - 8/22/2009 1:16:38 AM   
      JoeStalin


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      Do Submissive Women Have
      Stronger Hearts?
      Further research on the relationship
      between personality traits and
      coronary artery disease concludes
      that submissiveness was inversely
      associated with symptomatic coronary
      disease or death from myocardial
      infarction......

      http://www.stfm.org/fmhub/Fullpdf/April98/IFML.pdf


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      RE: Percentage of submissive females in general populat... - 8/22/2009 1:19:23 AM   
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