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Breast abuse contribute to breast cancer? - 9/17/2009 9:09:08 AM

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Subs/slaves..............If you have breast torture done to you do you worry about possible breast cancer down the road after long term "abuse"?

Doms...............do you ever think about the results years from now and if so do you still torture your subs breasts or do you withhold any form of "torture" in this area because of your concerns?

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RE: Breast abuse contribute to breast cancer? - 9/17/2009 11:26:49 AM

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My recollection of a Mayo Clinic study showed no correlation between breast trauma and breast cancer. It appears instead that the trauma is associated with subsequent discovery of an existing tumor.

Can't find the site as I read this ages ago.

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RE: Breast abuse contribute to breast cancer? - 9/17/2009 11:43:50 AM

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Yeah, I agree. Cancer is from mutated cells, be it from genetics or environment. Trauma does not mutate cells. Radiation could... Just don't irradiate girly parts and we're safe!

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RE: Breast abuse contribute to breast cancer? - 9/19/2009 8:56:53 AM

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I second the statement made by xoxkittenxox. Cancer is a condition caused by an uncontrolled spread of mutated cells. Studies have shown a plausible link between trauma and breast cancer, which I will copy and paste the summation of one such study below this, but there has been great debate over a conclusive link between the two. I again, as I have in other posts, champion the merits of preventative medicine; regular checkups and close monitoring of your health, timely breast lump checks, and good communication with your doctor can prevent disease or catch a cancer in the earliest stages. I also note as well that again, it all comes down to personal preference and choice.

Personally, I as a Dominant would leave that choice to the submissive, as ultimately they would be the one suffering from any symptoms that should arise from a cancer. If they felt uncomfortable or objected to any particular behavior, I would expect them to make mention of it and would respond accordingly. Health and well-being is more important than play.

Study, for your reading:

Department of Geography, Lancaster University, Lancaster LA1 4YB, UK. The objective of this study is to explore the effect of lifestyle on the risk of invasive breast carcinoma in women aged 50-65 years. A case-control study using a questionnaire and a semi-structured interview. Cases (n = 67) and controls (n = 134) were closely matched on known risk factors for breast cancer including age, family history, age at menarche, parity, age at first birth and menopausal status. Controls were chosen from a pool of 5600 women who attended for breast screening and filled in a questionnaire giving details to allow matching with cases. The study took place at the North Lancashire Breast Screening Service. Women were aged 50-65 years and presented with breast cancer or attended for breast screening.Women with breast carcinoma were more likely to report physical trauma to the breast in the previous 5 years than were the controls (odds ratio (OR) 3.3, 95% confidence interval (CI) 1.3-10.8, P < 0.0001). There were no significant differences in a wide range of other lifestyle indicators including factors relevant to social class, education, residence, smoking and alcohol consumption. In conclusion, recall bias is an unlikely explanation for these results in view of the nature and severity of physical trauma. Models of epithelial cell generation indicate that a causal link between physical trauma and cancer is plausible. A latent interval between cancer onset and presentation of under 5 years is also plausible. The most likely explanation of the findings is that physical trauma can cause breast cancer.

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RE: Breast abuse contribute to breast cancer? - 9/21/2009 7:35:52 AM

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...If you have breast torture done to you do you worry about possible breast cancer down the road after long term "abuse"?...

No.

But an interesting study was done showing a possible correlation between wearing a bra and an increased risk of breast cancer.

Wearing a bra may be cancer causing "breast abuse".

quote:

...Singer and Grismaijer then studied 4,500 women in five cities across the U.S. about their bra wearing habits and later published their findings in a book "Dressed to Kill". Though the study did not take into account other lifestyle factors, the results are too striking to be denied:

3 out of 4 women who wore their bras 24 hours per day developed breast cancer.

1 out of 7 women who wore bras more than 12 hour per day but not to bed developed breast cancer.

1 out of 152 women who wore their bras less than 12 hours per day got breast cancer.

1 out of 168 women who wore bras rarely or never acquired breast cancer.

Link to Full Article Here

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RE: Breast abuse contribute to breast cancer? - 9/21/2009 7:54:31 AM

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i don't know whether rough play causes it or not, but every time i see the Dr or get a mammo or ultrasound they ask me if i injured myself. "Herbert" (my lump on the left breast) is now 7cm in diameter and they can't decide what's going on. i noticed Herbert 2 years ago and he has steadily, but gradually, increased in size.

My big problem is that i don't have insurance and don't qualify for any of the special funding that's available. My medicare will kick in next year in April. One surgeon recommended an excisional biopsy, but did not schedule it because i couldn't pay.

A university Dr is still looking at various test results and has not gotten back to me. The university (3 1/2 hours drive away) is supposed to have some funding that i have applied for but haven't heard back on yet. i'm told that if i get a diagnosis of Cancer then everything will be paid for. But i don't have a diagnosis yet.

Since all this is on just one breast, i don't think it has anything to do with rough play. We always treated both to the same (fun) activities.

eta - i usually went braless except at work or school.

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RE: Breast abuse contribute to breast cancer? - 9/21/2009 8:33:14 AM

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I think its hilarious that you named your boo-boos...

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RE: Breast abuse contribute to breast cancer? - 9/21/2009 8:45:07 AM

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Fluffy,

Have you called your local chapter of American Cancer to explain that without a biopsy you simply don't know?

Maybe they know of a grant or something?

There is a medicaid program that is not income determined that handles some pre-cancerous conditions... are you sure that having a suspicious lump does not qualify?

Were it me, I would be calling the university hospital every day.

I am sorry for the hard spot you are in.

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RE: Breast abuse contribute to breast cancer? - 9/21/2009 9:00:46 AM

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Well, I'd say, because it seems to be getting larger, thats a sign that its more than just a boo-boo. Then again, is there still damage being done to it? Or have you been more wary since you felt it?

If you have continued to allow damage to be done, I can see why it is getting bigger. But if you have been more careful with Herbert, then I think it should be biopsied...

I think once a year, they fund raise for public screenings to be done. See if you can find when the next one in your city is being done, go in and have a mammogram. They will discuss more about how to help with the cost of a biopsy, if it is anything to worry about and what not.

Better sooner than later, though, even if you have to pay out of pocket. A later diagnosis has less chance of survival....

Anyway, find out how much. I'll pitch in! I'm sure we could find lotsa people to pitch in like ten bucks! We can fund raise with CM!

Good luck!

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RE: Breast abuse contribute to breast cancer? - 9/21/2009 10:55:45 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: VirginPotty

Subs/slaves..............If you have breast torture done to you do you worry about possible breast cancer down the road after long term "abuse"?

Doms...............do you ever think about the results years from now and if so do you still torture your subs breasts or do you withhold any form of "torture" in this area because of your concerns?

Hi VirginPotty

This is a post I wrote on health and safety in January of this year.....

A few weeks before Xmas I discovered a lump in my breast. It has taken over a month and a lot of anguish before finally being told that its not cancerous. It turns out that its a collection of blood from a trauma to the breast, absolutely harmless but could hang around for years before dispersing of its own accord.
We do play around a lot with breast bondage and we are guessing that this is what caused it.

I need to stress that any woman or man for that matter should seek medical help if they discover a breast lump, no matter what they think it is but should also be aware that S/m breast play can cause lumpy breasts.

My breasts are back to normal now but it took many months and it got bigger ( large tomato size) before it dispersed and disappeared

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RE: Breast abuse contribute to breast cancer? - 9/21/2009 11:01:08 AM

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So it does get bigger? Thats a bit of a load off. Its still important to have it checked out, though... Scary stuff to mess with.

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RE: Breast abuse contribute to breast cancer? - 9/21/2009 11:07:22 AM

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ORIGINAL: xoxkittenxox

So it does get bigger? Thats a bit of a load off. Its still important to have it checked out, though... Scary stuff to mess with.

Yes it can get bigger but absolutely get it checked out.

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RE: Breast abuse contribute to breast cancer? - 9/21/2009 12:23:51 PM

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...If you have breast torture done to you do you worry about possible breast cancer down the road after long term "abuse"?...

No.

You cannot conclusively say yes or no in this case. See my post for details.

allthatjaz, you are absolutely correct. My repeated mantra on this board is if you have an issue that is a legitimate worry, only a licensed medical professional can give you the proper and correct information in regards to your concerns and your own body. See my response to an earlier poster above.

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RE: Breast abuse contribute to breast cancer? - 9/21/2009 12:31:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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...If you have breast torture done to you do you worry about possible breast cancer down the road after long term "abuse"?...
No.

You cannot conclusively say yes or no in this case. See my post for details. The question was; "...do you worry..?" beth's answer was no - she doesn't worry.

According to you a woman MUST worry about breast cancer as a possible result of long term "abuse"? Your absolutism is a result of what degree?

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RE: Breast abuse contribute to breast cancer? - 9/21/2009 12:34:07 PM

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Not so much worry as keeping in mind the potential and still yet inconclusively studied consequences.

As for my qualifications, read my signature.

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RE: Breast abuse contribute to breast cancer? - 9/21/2009 12:52:39 PM

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Not so much worry as keeping in mind the potential and still yet inconclusively studied consequences.

As for my qualifications, read my signature.

Ah, that explains it - hypochondriasis.

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RE: Breast abuse contribute to breast cancer? - 9/21/2009 2:30:53 PM

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Not so much worry as keeping in mind the potential and still yet inconclusively studied consequences.

As for my qualifications, read my signature.

Ah, that explains it - hypochondriasis.

Ah, that explains it - resorting to personal attack because your attempt at putting me down by questioning my qualifications went awry when it turns out I am indeed qualified.

That's mature.

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RE: Breast abuse contribute to breast cancer? - 9/21/2009 2:42:15 PM

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I have to agree with Wolven. When it comes to breast cancer, you should be worried. Albeit, if you have no lumps and you continue getting screened, don't worry. But even a change in colour could mean something. Hes simply trying to say that you need to worry when it comes to your body. Keep a close watch on those types of things, as it could prove deadly. Whats more important to you? An alive slave or being stubborn and ignorant?

BTW, he isn't diagnosing himself with breast cancer. So, you're insult doesn't even make sense.

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RE: Breast abuse contribute to breast cancer? - 9/21/2009 3:01:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: WolvenFury

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Not so much worry as keeping in mind the potential and still yet inconclusively studied consequences.
As for my qualifications, read my signature.
Ah, that explains it - hypochondriasis.

Ah, that explains it - resorting to personal attack because your attempt at putting me down by questioning my qualifications went awry when it turns out I am indeed qualified. That's mature.

Sir - A statement that limits your ability to diagnose reflecting reality of your actual credentials is not an attack on your qualifications. In fact it clearly documents them. Why you would perceive that as an attack speaks to your insecurity.

I see my position confirmed and not awry based upon your listed "qualifications". If you post is reflecting of reality at all, since at '21', your listed age, your "med school' is most likely PRE-med school; we have the exact same qualification.

However, if you want to substantiate your "facts" by documenting studies reflecting cancer occurrences in woman experiencing ongoing impact injuries on breast tissue I'd be happy to read them.

It should be noted someone in "Med School' would be able to comprehend the statement made by beth. she represented, as a participant in such activity, that she does not worry; not that she should or shouldn't. You applying your standard of absolutism to her opinion may qualify you as a disconnected Doctor someday in the manner of Dr. House, but for now, in this venue, listening and taking someone's personal opinion as theirs would be the "mature" thing to do.

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RE: Breast abuse contribute to breast cancer? - 9/21/2009 4:09:38 PM

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I will address these in order of receipt:

First, I would like to point out that your statement, which was very short, would be perceived, in my opinion, by most individuals as a personal attack due to two factors: One, your "source" for your statement is "urbandictionary.com", which is a repository for slang and unconventional definition and which I linked to via your link, which had the word "hypochondriasis" highlighted WITHIN a paragraph under the heading of "Medical Student's Syndrome". Most observational people, again in my opinion, would connect to someone looking first to insult and second to be guilty of the very accusation they make, referring of course to definition 1, section 2 of your source, which states "...who over analyzes everything and everyone and thinks everyone has a disease or mental condition" in concluding I have "hypochondriasis" when my statements have not been diagnostic in nature but instead cautionary and indicative of an emphasis on preventative care, including observation and monitoring for potential changes and especially having concentrated on the acknowledgement of risks taken, thereby invalidating your accusation as a logical fallacy. The fallacy in this case is ad hominem personum, concurrent to the source under definition 1, sections 1 and 3 which read respectively: (1) The one and only symptom of it is that they think they have diseases they are learning about, (3) Normally they find that they or someone else has one symptom of a disease and think that they or another person has the disease. Usually they ignore all other symptoms.

In addressing section 1, I do not think I have breast cancer or will develop it as the likelihood is extraordinarily slim, although not impossible, since I am male. In addressing section 3, I have at no point rendered diagnosis, which would be concurrent with the statement in section 3 regarding perception of a disease based on a solitary symptom, but direct you to my statements regarding preventative care and personal responsibility.

2: Yet again committing another logical fallacy, again an argumentum ad hominem, you make the assumption that being 21 invalidates my ability to have achieved medical school by this age without attributing a number of possible factors, such as Dual Enrollment (which I participated in for the last two years of high school, attending university while concurrently enrolled in high school), Advanced Placement Credit (which I did indeed achieve in my studies in high school), testing credits under various programs which allow the exemption of certain coursework or even grades (which I did several times in my courses of study that allowed me to "test out" of unessential courses viewed as below my current abilities). Therefore, I conclude that your arguments are insulting, offensive, and incorrect because you have chosen to ignore viable alternatives that could have occured to allow me this achievement.

3: Your statement regarding my argument indicates that you either have not read all of my posts in this thread or that you have chosen to purposefully ignore them for the express intent of attacking my credibility. I will choose to address the less insidious notion and give you some credit (which you have chosen not to give to me, good sir) in assuming the former rather than the latter, and will proceed to direct you to my post wherein I copied and pasted a specific study by a university in Lancaster in the UK covering the statistical plausibility and correlation between trauma to the breast and the presence of breast cancer.

4: I willingly concede a misinterpretation of her statement, believeing she was referring to the plausibility of breast cancer occuring from trauma instead of her own worry and offer her my apology for said misinterpretation. I will also respond that the mature thing to do would be to take this to a private message if you would like to continue this discussion, as I'm sure members of this board do not need to be subjected to another thorough evisceration of your arguments taking up space on their computer screen nor your own fallacious accusations and inflammatory remarks.

Thank you and have a wonderful day.

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