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RE: A lesson on Expectations - 9/21/2009 6:04:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: housemouseinoz

Thank you for that reply, that's it exactly, detachment now just to teach myself the things you have taught yourself, tranquillity, I can achieve when I'm in an uncomfortable situation by detaching myself. Now to teach myself to live in the moment and as you say, not moments ahead :-) So well put.


you are more than welcome. i know it is something i had to work through and many others as well. don't feel that you're the only one encountering this. if you have questions or want some suggestions, please feel free to drop me a note. be patient and allow everything to flow naturally. i think if you spend some time in nature you'll get what i'm saying. one moment you're heading straight, then winding left, maybe a step back, and then another ahead. we move around things, we don't allow them to hinder our process. good luck.

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RE: A lesson on Expectations - 9/21/2009 6:05:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kalista07

This is just the truth for me....It does not mean anyone else has to believe it, has to buy into it, has to agree to it, or anything else... It works for me, i'm able to live comfortably in my own skin...i'm able to sleep at night...
In my life...Expectations generally equates to premeditated resentments.... Having said that however, i have also come to the conclusion that it's very important for me to keep my expectations (like everything else in my life) in balance... If my expectations are too high i'm going to be sadly and drastically disappointed (and end up resentful), which essentially i set the stage for....However on the other end of the spectrum is if i set my expectations too low...my experience with this is i end up accepting unacceptable behavior...
Furthermore, regarding all that crap about you not being a true or good sub/slave or whatever else... It would really be in your best interest to just set that stuff aside...i can not tell you how long i allowed that stuff to keep me paralyzed... i continued to be so paralyzed by the fear of not being perfect and all that other stuff of what people would say and think.....And in the end, it finally occured to me that none of it mattered...What really mattered was what the man who's eyes i looked into thought of me....
Kali

Kali, you nailed it :-) oh the resentment has been festering :-( that's not healthy, He told me I was doing that, I actually thought I was just pissed off! When he suggested I was harbouring resentment, and I looked at it, again he was right. All that you wrote, I identified with :-)
Thank you :-)

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RE: A lesson on Expectations - 9/21/2009 6:10:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: daintydimples

Yes. For years I was my own worst critic. It took me almost 40 years to be my own best advocate.

It really is all about changing how you think about you. You are what you think. You can still hold yourself to exacting standards.But you need to work on changing that inner mind tape from "woe is me, I did not achieve my goal" to "good for me, look at what high goals I aspire to."

It takes time, but make it a goal to aspire to.

Best of luck.


I love your outlook, the power of positive thinking, and to think I try to pride myself of normally being able to do that. I've been loaned a book about subconsious mind, a self help book. That may be an eye opener for me, even I get one positive out of it, that will great :-) I'm really good at beating myself up, so i guess I too am my own worst critic!
Thank you

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RE: A lesson on Expectations - 9/21/2009 6:26:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lockit

Expectations and projections are something that happen a lot. Some of it is welcome and some not and I am sure that depends on who is involved. This is something I address right away in a relationship for many reasons and continue to address it as needed. Whether the expectations come from within or from a former dominant or partner in life and from life experiences, doesn't matter, it has to be addressed for the comfort and well being of the individual and the relationship.

From the emotional to the physical, I've found that expectations can become a huge problem if allowed to continue. It isn't something you can just say... don't do that. You have to get into why you are doing it, why it is happening and that takes both focusing on it all in a supportive and loving manner and if any correction is needed, I will personally do it in a supportive fashion, but sometimes you have to make an impression and be a bit more firm.

I've seen this manifest in ways that many would call topping. To me a lot of it has to do with wounds or trust issues... whether the trust be a personal thing or for the partner. I see it as a way to really get fine tuned to one another, know one another well and brings out a lot of wonderful things if both are willing and able to work through it all.

There are good expectations and I would never want to change those... but some are just whittling down a person or a relationship and it is really sad when they can't be worked out because it will lead to it continuing in future relationships in ways that may be more severe or harmful.

Lockit :-) your another that I always get something out of what you write, god I'm beginning to sound like a stalker :-) I don't post often, but I do like to read :-) I did actually get into trouble and was told I was spending too much time here, so me being me took that to the extreme, and stopped dropping in! I actually travel better within myself when I'm able to read how others are doing, it's almost like affirmation or therapy for me to drop into the boards. He has realised this and told me to come back and spend some time, as long as I don't take it to the other extreme and let it encroach on our time together :-)

He is learning about me, and at the same time I am learning about me. A firm hand doesn't work with me, that is when I detach. Last night His approach broke down those barriers, He injected a small amount of humour and a smile, and I let Him back in, I have so much to give when treated in a way that works for me, and that is all part of the learning about each other. Thankfully we are both prepared to work at it :-) I also want to not take it all so seriously, I like to laugh and have fun, I miss that about us.
Thank you for often helping me to view things in a different light

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RE: A lesson on Expectations - 9/21/2009 8:16:57 PM   
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If Master feels I'm getting a little out of hand he just tells me and/or slaps me and I stop.

That's all it takes for me and we're right back on track.

He understands that life sometimes happens and gets in the way. We are human after all and we both have jobs, family, friends, etc..to deal with on a daily basis.

Sometimes I accidently, not meaning to, get a little snippy with him. He just says "don't get snippy".

I'm never quite sure why it would take more than that.

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RE: A lesson on Expectations - 9/21/2009 11:42:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: housemouseinoz

I am about to be taught a valuable lesson on expectations. For the past 2 months I feel I have been spiralling out of control, and little by little I have taken back my submission and control. Is that gasps of horror I hear?

As insane as this will sound, I probably didn't realise I was/had done it, until my Sir put it to me the other night, He asked that I write an essay of sorts, as to why I had done it, and what the trigger was. He also said he knows he allowed me to take both back, but I wasn't able to answer that part. Although he did give me the answer tonight, for the curious few, he allowed it, as he felt if he didn't then I was going to do the flight thing and run, instead of face things.

I've been feeling he has been unhappy with me, and that no matter what I did, it was wrong, so I got to the point of, 'shit why bother at all', if I do, it's wrong if I don't, it's wrong.

He did the penny for your thoughts tonight, so I gave him half a dozen instances where I felt this has happened. Damn, he had the answer :-) he didn't actually ever ask me to do any of the things I'd been trying to do, and be perfect while I did them. I strive for perfection, that's unrealistic, I know that, but I do it anyway. So I've been blaming him, for an expectation I put on myself, and when I failed, I blamed him.........sigh. Almost like setting tasks for myself, and blaming Him when I didn't achieve what I wanted.

He has said for the next week, he is giving me my freedom, I can wear what I want, go where I want, do what I want. It is a lesson, and He has put it in place, cause without doubt I'll repeat my behaviour of trying to be perfect, but this time I won't be able to blame him.

I was concerned when posting this, that I may get told I'm not a true or good sub, I think I'll be ok if that happens :-) for at the end of the day, I'm human, turns out a human with flaws!!! As He said to me, He is ok giving me my freedom, as he knows, He could still command me, and I would do it.

We have some work ahead of us I know, but it's nice to know that with His help we have now identified the Why, How and Where I started to pull back.

Anyone else ever done anything similar? Thanks for reading.



I've been feeling he has been unhappy with me, and that no matter what I did, it was wrong, so I got to the point of, 'shit why bother at all', if I do, it's wrong if I don't, it's wrong.

Why would you assume the worst?
Did he tell you he was displeased or did you even ask him?
We preach comminication, comminication, comminication, comminication, But when the time comes to when we should, we don't
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RE: A lesson on Expectations - 9/22/2009 2:50:26 AM   
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I would like to thank all who have responded to my house mouse, she is in a much better place today maybe that is due to me being able to break through her barrier maybe due to your posts and letting her know she is not alone.

The whole mess started when we were in the USA on vacation and with vanila people 24/7 so disipline and guidance was very limited due to curcumstance, but i never let her flounder, nor would i ever! I respect her and her choice to be my sub as i respect all the people who have replied to her, i have admoration for you and what you will do for your M/D.

she has replied to many and i have read all posts. What she has replied is truth, We/I tried to address her behavour over the past two months but alas it was to no avail, and please understand I have done a lot of sole searching in the past two months and have looked at why and how i could let this disintigration of our relationship happen. I looked at my part, not just her's. We are both at fault in our own ways, and this may / can be attributed i believe cause we are still getting to know each other in many ways both D/s and as friends and lovers.

I know and understand that it takes two to make a relationship work be it vanila - D/s or M/s and with time we will get our shit together in one sock and have the dynamic we are both yearing for.

Again thank you to all who have posted



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RE: A lesson on Expectations - 9/22/2009 5:44:31 AM   
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Expectations. Hmm. "I expect therefore I am?" I think expectations are a fundamental part of human nature, and while there are a (very) few ways to get rid of them entirely, those methods are rather "immerisive" and I doubt you could do them and also be someone's slave at the same time. Not to mention the fact that serving two masters is usually not a good idea. I do agree with others that it helps (if only in the learning experience sense) to try to consciously rein them in a bit, although for me, personally, trickery and distraction are more effective on the little buggers.

housemouseinoz, I think your master was pretty brave to do what he did (give you your head for so long and let you experience this then digest the experience). I know what it's like to feel bad because you think you are doing everything wrong, I lean that way myself. I am glad to hear, however, that he was able the relieve you in this regard. And I applaud you for being able to hear it. Not every submissive would. Some of us are very attached to our fine feelings of inferiority. ;)

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