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RE: Is the media abandoning Obama? - 9/22/2009 7:21:25 PM

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Chris Mathews is way out there, he may be a part of the reason a lot of the other big media types have begun jumping the Obama ship.

Here's Mathews' latest (with video):

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Chris Matthews, on Tuesday's "Hardball," ominously warned that the "activists on the radio," are "gonna pay," if "we have violence in this country against our president of any form," for having "encouraged the craziness."

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/geoffrey-dickens/2009/09/22/matthews-talk-radio-gonna-pay-if-any-anti-obama-violence

There was a movie about how to assassinate Bush while Bush was still president, but I guess people can't even disagree with Obama.

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RE: Is the media abandoning Obama? - 9/22/2009 8:18:44 PM

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So then the media is not really liberally biased and you are admitting your previous mistaken idea that they were?

Sorry, Rule

The media CAN have a liberal bias, AND turn against Obama when Obama fails to keep even one of his multiple promises to said liberal media correspondents.

Nope, I'm sorry.

You guys can't have it both ways.

The complaint has been that the "main street media" continually and constantly exhibits a liberal bias.

There was never any qualification to that such as "sometimes".

Yet, now you both are pointing out the fallacy of your own previous arguments.

Based on what has been said by conservatives repeatedly, including on this site, the liberal "main stream media" would never turn against Obama under any circumstance.

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RE: Is the media abandoning Obama? - 9/22/2009 8:23:58 PM

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A solid portion of those who voted for "Hope" and "Change" will learn to resent being spoon fed garbage after a certain point. The blatant cheerleading for Obama by MSNBC and CNN and the New York Times, etc., has to be a constant insult to the intelligence of anyone with half a mind, and the cheerleaders themselves will inevitably tire of their own hollow reporting after a time.

Funny that you don't feel Fox is an insult to your intelligence.

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RE: Is the media abandoning Obama? - 9/22/2009 8:33:39 PM

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Please explain why you think Fox is abandoning Obama, rule.

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RE: Is the media abandoning Obama? - 9/22/2009 8:38:37 PM

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The issue I have is that the media should even be able to abandon Obama. They should be doing fair and impartial stories that try to all sides and inform the public. Sadly they are not. They have been unfairly slanted towards Obama, and now with feeling he has failed them are likely to be unfairly slanted too see him as a failure/traitor.

I know that many feel that Fox is either A) a horrible Republican tool or B) the only honest news, but I think they also shows the problem from another side. Most media seem too be firmly Liberal, and the simple facts of there voting patterns support that. However Fox just does the same thing from the other side.

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RE: Is the media abandoning Obama? - 9/22/2009 8:46:53 PM

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Welcome to the forums tnai. Careful with Fox News now, even a split second of exposure will cause permanent damage, its horribly toxic.

Ask most anyone around here...

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RE: Is the media abandoning Obama? - 9/22/2009 8:48:24 PM

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Well I feel that way about the rest of the so called media.

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RE: Is the media abandoning Obama? - 9/22/2009 8:58:13 PM

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In that case, I hope that suit's made out of Teflon.

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RE: Is the media abandoning Obama? - 9/22/2009 9:02:46 PM

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Please explain why you think Fox is abandoning Obama, rule.

Please explain where in God's name you came up with that question?

You understood my meaning perfectly well and now are trying sleight of hand.

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RE: Is the media abandoning Obama? - 9/22/2009 9:06:43 PM

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You got to take it all with a grain of salt, but I think the best work on the media basis in a long time has was done my Orson Scott Card of Ender's Game fame, and he is very liberal. These are reprints of a column he does for his local paper.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005312
http://www.ldsmag.com/ideas/081017light.html

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RE: Is the media abandoning Obama? - 9/22/2009 9:08:29 PM

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I know that many feel that Fox is either A) a horrible Republican tool or B) the only honest news, but I think they also shows the problem from another side. Most media seem too be firmly Liberal, and the simple facts of there voting patterns support that. However Fox just does the same thing from the other side.

I vote for A.

And no Fox doesn't do the same things from the other side.

There is a difference between an outright agenda against anything Democratic and/or liberal and what may be perceived as subtle bias from other news sources.

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RE: Is the media abandoning Obama? - 9/22/2009 9:08:58 PM

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The topic, rule. The topic. How is it that you think that Fox News is abandoning Obama.

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RE: Is the media abandoning Obama? - 9/22/2009 9:10:53 PM

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The topic, rule. The topic. How is it that you think that Fox News is abandoning Obama.

You're starting to bore me Sanity.

Address what I asked.

And just to clarify, how is it you believe every media outlet except for Fox and their affiliates (The WSJ, etc.) are the only reliable sources of information?

Only because they support your viewpoints?

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RE: Is the media abandoning Obama? - 9/22/2009 9:16:36 PM

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The complaint has been that the "main street media" continually and constantly exhibits a liberal bias.

Well, doesn't this situation prove exactly that?

Obama didn't keep his liberal promises and now the liberal media is taking him to task for not behaving in their image of liberal. Where's the incongruity?

Fox on the other hand has been consistent. There are criticisms coming from both sides.

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RE: Is the media abandoning Obama? - 9/22/2009 9:21:23 PM

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I'm not taking the bait. That's all way off topic, rule. Feel free to start a Fox bashing thread though, and I might join in, but lets show Firm a little respect here.

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You're starting to bore me Sanity.

Address what I asked.

And just to clarify, how is it you believe every media outlet except for Fox and their affiliates (The WSJ, etc.) are the only reliable sources of information?

Only because they support your viewpoints?

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RE: Is the media abandoning Obama? - 9/22/2009 9:28:39 PM

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I'm not taking the bait. That's all way off topic, rule. Feel free to start a Fox bashing thread though, and I might join in, but lets show Firm a little respect here.

Really?

Let's see.

The topic is the media abandoning Obama.

So how is it off-topic to present the fact that a large portion of the media was never behind Obama in the first place?

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RE: Is the media abandoning Obama? - 9/22/2009 9:35:05 PM

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The complaint has been that the "main street media" continually and constantly exhibits a liberal bias.

Well, doesn't this situation prove exactly that?

Obama didn't keep his liberal promises and now the liberal media is taking him to task for not behaving in their image of liberal. Where's the incongruity?

Fox on the other hand has been consistent. There are criticisms coming from both sides.

The inconsistency is the fact we have been hearing for years about liberal media bias, yet the fact is the so-called liberal media will criticize Obama as readily as they criticized Bush.

Can you say the same of Fox?

And by the way, didn't you just recently say you never watch Fox? Interesting how you know they are consistent.

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RE: Is the media abandoning Obama? - 9/22/2009 9:35:21 PM

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You know how you feel when you watch Fox? That's how I feel when I watch the rest of the media. I don't feel that their coverage is 'subtle bias'. I feel it is 1/2 a step down from propaganda and sometimes not even that.

My point is that even with Fox not liking him the media as a whole is very much behind the president when it should be keeping a eye on him.

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RE: Is the media abandoning Obama? - 9/22/2009 9:48:36 PM

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You know how you feel when you watch Fox? That's how I feel when I watch the rest of the media. I don't feel that their coverage is 'subtle bias'. I feel it is 1/2 a step down from propaganda and sometimes not even that.

My point is that even with Fox not liking him the media as a whole is very much behind the president when it should be keeping a eye on him.

Which is exactly what I don't get.

Fox is blatantly biased. As is MSNBC. But MSNBC was started as a rebuttal to what Fox initiated.

I can't see how anyone can compare the blatant bias of these two channels with the rest of the media.

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RE: Is the media abandoning Obama? - 9/22/2009 9:51:22 PM

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The inconsistency is the fact we have been hearing for years about liberal media bias, yet the fact is the so-called liberal media will criticize Obama as readily as they criticized Bush.

I said they ARE being consistent. They are criticizing Obama because he doesn't seem to be having any success meeting their expectations. He seems unable to fulfill their liberal agenda, ergo the criticism.

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Can you say the same of Fox?

And by the way, didn't you just recently say you never watch Fox? Interesting how you know they are consistent.

No I can't, especially if you are now saying they haven't been. I rely on the integrity of your representation, is that incorrect? I have to rely on your monitoring.

Based upon what you have been saying, FOX has been criticizing them because he IS trying. Their agenda is to not let him succeed. Both produce criticism, albeit with differing intent.

It's not really that complicated.

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