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lovingpet -> RE: what is TPE 24/7? (10/6/2009 8:53:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucienne quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella quote: I don't want the things that give me so much joy to remain illegal (and most of the things we do are whether we are aware of it or not). I suggest looking into kink activism. There are a lot of posts on these forums complaining about the law, but very few people lobbying to change it. I'm curious how many of the people complaining have even looked into the law, or if they're just taking the word of people who benefit from suggesting the law is stricter than it actually is. Consent goes a long way in my jurisdiction. I imagine that, in most cases, not being an asshole and not partnering with crazy people would cover the remaining distance to safety. Nope. In all honesty, there are a lot of things that simply do not meet legal acceptance by mere consent. In my jurisdiction one cannot "consent" to being "abused", so even though I stuck out my bottom and wiggled it begging for that cane to strike it, he broke the law and my consent meant diddly. Oh, and I happen to find lots of "assholes" and "crazy" people hot. Thank goodness too, because some would say I fall into that category. Please can we just let this thing die already? lovingpet

porcelaine -> RE: what is TPE 24/7? (10/6/2009 9:05:24 PM)
i definitely fall within that category and guess what, i don't care. i have no regard for what others might feel is despicable, immoral, or down right putrid. their comments, concerns, opinions, and judgment are meaningless when place beside the One i willingly endure those supposed horrors for. as difficult as it might be for some respectable harmless types to imagine. the heinous things that lead to bodily harm, mental fracture, and all the other textboos definitions you might wish to affix are thoroughly wanted, craved, enjoyed, even pleaded for. just imagine someone actually wanting to be used in this manner. i'm sure it makes your pretty little hairs stand up and scream. but i like it. in fact, i often want more. i hope we can go further and further. maybe i should take a cue from this thread and just grab a law book and see how far we can get through the bloody thing. one disturbing offense after another. now that's living. being property has its merits. porcelaine

Eigenaar -> RE: what is TPE 24/7? (10/7/2009 3:26:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella So whose "she shouldn't do that by my standards" should trump the other's? You'll say yours, I'll say mine. Which is fine. We'll both do what we feel we should. Just please refrain from the delusion that you're objectively right. Because if you were objectively right, there'd be no dissent. I don't know why this should see so difficult to understand... ...but only one of us is proposing a system that tells or mandates other people to act a certain way, even if their actions are consensual. You are not just arguing with my view...you are arguing against the view of everyone that does not have yours because I am specifically supporting each individual's right to construct their own acceptable views. Only the application of yours is an imposition onto the lives of other people. Only yours. Rereading the beginning of this thread you will find yourself belittling those distincting bdsm from legal slavery. You are obviously dictating your view. It is about all that you do in these threads.

Lucienne -> RE: what is TPE 24/7? (10/7/2009 6:27:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovingpet quote: ORIGINAL: Lucienne quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella quote: I don't want the things that give me so much joy to remain illegal (and most of the things we do are whether we are aware of it or not). I suggest looking into kink activism. There are a lot of posts on these forums complaining about the law, but very few people lobbying to change it. I'm curious how many of the people complaining have even looked into the law, or if they're just taking the word of people who benefit from suggesting the law is stricter than it actually is. Consent goes a long way in my jurisdiction. I imagine that, in most cases, not being an asshole and not partnering with crazy people would cover the remaining distance to safety. Nope. In all honesty, there are a lot of things that simply do not meet legal acceptance by mere consent. In my jurisdiction one cannot "consent" to being "abused", so even though I stuck out my bottom and wiggled it begging for that cane to strike it, he broke the law and my consent meant diddly. Oh, and I happen to find lots of "assholes" and "crazy" people hot. Thank goodness too, because some would say I fall into that category. Please can we just let this thing die already? lovingpet To be clear, the point of not being an asshole (being careful how far you push someone) and avoiding crazy people is to avoid situations where your partner is likely to turn around and call the police. In the US, you can get away with a great deal of criminal activity if you just keep quiet. I'd think a caning would fall under assault and in most US jurisdictions, consent is most certainly a defense. If people are interested in "kink activism," I suspect their time would be best spent supporting laws that respect personal autonomy and pushing back, culturally, against the notion that the public has a right to judge public figures based on private acts (e.g. "an adulterer can't be a good leader"). In terms of the law, I'd think the greatest danger to the rights of bdsm folk would be how it played out in child custody disputes.

Lucienne -> RE: what is TPE 24/7? (10/7/2009 6:39:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: porcelaine as difficult as it might be for some respectable harmless types to imagine. the heinous things that lead to bodily harm, mental fracture, and all the other textboos definitions you might wish to affix are thoroughly wanted, craved, enjoyed, even pleaded for. just imagine someone actually wanting to be used in this manner. i'm sure it makes your pretty little hairs stand up and scream. porcelaine Consent is not a buzz word, it is the magic word. You want these things done to you. Delightful. I don't need to imagine how or why you want it; I take your word for it. My pretty little hairs are indifferent to your private practices. Finding something unappealing is not the same thing as finding it abhorrent.

porcelaine -> RE: what is TPE 24/7? (10/7/2009 7:03:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucienne Consent is not a buzz word, it is the magic word. You want these things done to you. Delightful. I don't need to imagine how or why you want it; I take your word for it. My pretty little hairs are indifferent to your private practices. Finding something unappealing is not the same thing as finding it abhorrent. which is how it should be. how does this coincide with the comments you've made on this thread thus far? it would seem it is in complete opposition to the stance you've taken. please enlighten me. porcelaine

Lucienne -> RE: what is TPE 24/7? (10/7/2009 7:28:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: porcelaine quote: ORIGINAL: Lucienne Consent is not a buzz word, it is the magic word. You want these things done to you. Delightful. I don't need to imagine how or why you want it; I take your word for it. My pretty little hairs are indifferent to your private practices. Finding something unappealing is not the same thing as finding it abhorrent. which is how it should be. how does this coincide with the comments you've made on this thread thus far? it would seem it is in complete opposition to the stance you've taken. please enlighten me. porcelaine At the very beginning, calling someone a "literal slave" in public (this forum) is not a private practice. People have projected a great deal of disapproval into my comments that I didn't put there. A good faith reading of my comments will note that I have referred to the distinction between the private sphere and the public sphere, that I consider consent to be meaningful and real. That while I consider daddysprop's situation fucked up, I think it would be a waste of time to try and convince her to change anything. Because it is what she wants. Her situation, assuming she's describing it accurately, would be an example of illegal things one can get away with if you just keep quiet. If you truly think that what I wrote that you quoted above is in "complete opposition" to the stance(s) I've taken in this thread, then you have done a very poor job of comprehending what I've written in this thread.

LaTigresse -> RE: what is TPE 24/7? (10/7/2009 7:45:45 AM)
If multiple people are seeing the same thing and it is incorrect, then the responsibility lies upon the one that wrote the words.

porcelaine -> RE: what is TPE 24/7? (10/7/2009 8:29:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucienne That while I consider daddysprop's situation fucked up, I think it would be a waste of time to try and convince her to change anything. Because it is what she wants. Her situation, assuming she's describing it accurately, would be an example of illegal things one can get away with if you just keep quiet. If you truly think that what I wrote that you quoted above is in "complete opposition" to the stance(s) I've taken in this thread, then you have done a very poor job of comprehending what I've written in this thread. in your opinion her situation leaves much to be desired. but in the grand scheme of things it bears no weight on what she does. the acts in question are not performed in the public forum, and according to the definitions you've assigned to such, should not warrant judgment at all. i assure you my comprehension skills are very well developed. i simply have no trouble addressing conflicts when i see them. you don't approve of her lifestyle and feel within your right to state such. your opinions about slavery have been duly noted as well. what i find most interesting is that the very lifestyle you disparage, is one i would think you're ill equipped to assume, based upon the behavior i've viewed thus far. mastery of self always comes before control can be assumed over another party. whatever you may think of her or the situation she's involved in, she's remained tactful throughout the duration of this thread. far more than you could surmise in one lone post. your words speak for themselves and i can hear them clearly. do you? porcelaine

mnottertail -> RE: what is TPE 24/7? (10/7/2009 9:21:08 AM)
This trainwreck is fuckin' MASSIVE!!!!! I am shocked and awed. R

lovingpet -> RE: what is TPE 24/7? (10/7/2009 9:38:16 AM)
Yes it is and I have said all I have to say and I won't be goaded any further. Ta ta!!! So long and thanks for all the fish! (The goading comment directed at no one in particular and definitely not at Ron for a change LOL) lovingpet

LaTigresse -> RE: what is TPE 24/7? (10/7/2009 10:56:53 AM)
Soooooooooo, you came back to post one more time that you were done with it?[:D]

Lucienne -> RE: what is TPE 24/7? (10/7/2009 12:30:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse If multiple people are seeing the same thing and it is incorrect, then the responsibility lies upon the one that wrote the words. I understand this is a favored catch phrase around here, but have you really thought that one through? First, not everyone reading this thread thinks I'm doing whatever negative thing porcelaine thinks I'm doing, so you've got multiple people disagreeing. And more importantly, skew your sample much?

Lucienne -> RE: what is TPE 24/7? (10/7/2009 12:57:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: porcelaine quote: ORIGINAL: Lucienne That while I consider daddysprop's situation fucked up, I think it would be a waste of time to try and convince her to change anything. Because it is what she wants. Her situation, assuming she's describing it accurately, would be an example of illegal things one can get away with if you just keep quiet. If you truly think that what I wrote that you quoted above is in "complete opposition" to the stance(s) I've taken in this thread, then you have done a very poor job of comprehending what I've written in this thread. in your opinion her situation leaves much to be desired. but in the grand scheme of things it bears no weight on what she does. the acts in question are not performed in the public forum, and according to the definitions you've assigned to such, should not warrant judgment at all. I've never suggested that my opinion bears weight on her acts. To the contrary, I've stated that I see no point in trying to convince her of the value of my opinion. As for judgment, you're missing the consent part. A person who's been found legally incompetent cannot consent. Not to mention that her legal guardian has duties under the law to safeguard her that are clearly not being met (if you believe what she writes). A legal guardianship is very much a function performed in public under the authority of the state. I realize these are silly little details to some people reading this. Just because they're not silly to me (and others) doesn't mean I'm out to ruin your fun or call you a bad bad person because of how you live your life. quote: i assure you my comprehension skills are very well developed. i simply have no trouble addressing conflicts when i see them. you don't approve of her lifestyle and feel within your right to state such. your opinions about slavery have been duly noted as well. what i find most interesting is that the very lifestyle you disparage, is one i would think you're ill equipped to assume, based upon the behavior i've viewed thus far. mastery of self always comes before control can be assumed over another party. If you want to claim that daddysprop's "lifestyle" is typical of a slave's, have at it. I've never maintained that hers is typical. I've disparaged literal historical and modern day slavery (or as some would fashion it "nonconsensual slavery"). I disagree with your efforts to place yourself under that label. Again, a good faith reading would not conclude that I've disparaged M/s relationships in general. And thanks for the "ill equipped to assume" jab. Why, I'd hardly noticed the numerous snippy attempts to insult me throughout this thread. quote: whatever you may think of her or the situation she's involved in, she's remained tactful throughout the duration of this thread. far more than you could surmise in one lone post. your words speak for themselves and i can hear them clearly. do you? porcelaine I don't think "surmise" is the word you are looking for. "Summon," perhaps? If you want to judge me in comparison to daddysprop and then find me wanting, I do not care. Just don't expect me to agree.

porcelaine -> RE: what is TPE 24/7? (10/7/2009 1:39:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucienne A legal guardianship is very much a function performed in public under the authority of the state. I realize these are silly little details to some people reading this. Just because they're not silly to me (and others) doesn't mean I'm out to ruin your fun or call you a bad bad person because of how you live your life. she is also an adult under the law and it would appear that she has willingly elected to remain in this situation and articulates her desires succinctly. quote: If you want to claim that daddysprop's "lifestyle" is typical of a slave's, have at it. I've never maintained that hers is typical. I've disparaged literal historical and modern day slavery (or as some would fashion it "nonconsensual slavery"). I disagree with your efforts to place yourself under that label. Again, a good faith reading would not conclude that I've disparaged M/s relationships in general. i make no claim about her lifestyle. notice the word that proceeds 'lifestyle'. it is hers. she should and will do as she pleases. it is no affront to me if she conducts herself in a manner opposite of my own. i don't care if you agree with me. i don't need your validation to define my station. you can't conceive of what slavery means, therefore you're not qualified to determine who and what i am. you are merely a spectator in an arena you know nothing about. i believe they call those kind armchair sportsmen. if the shoe fits... quote: I don't think "surmise" is the word you are looking for. "Summon," perhaps? If you want to judge me in comparison to daddysprop and then find me wanting, I do not care. Just don't expect me to agree. i haven't judged you at all. as i've stated above. you are out of your league. since you're unable to wrap your mind around what slavery entails in this capacity. why would i entertain your rantings any further? you can't agree about a topic you're completely biased and ignorant of. nice try. porcelaine

LaTigresse -> RE: what is TPE 24/7? (10/7/2009 1:48:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucienne quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse If multiple people are seeing the same thing and it is incorrect, then the responsibility lies upon the one that wrote the words. I understand this is a favored catch phrase around here, but have you really thought that one through? First, not everyone reading this thread thinks I'm doing whatever negative thing porcelaine thinks I'm doing, so you've got multiple people disagreeing. And more importantly, skew your sample much? I am simply stating my opinion based upon what I have read. I am not getting upset and sniping about perceived sniping. So I shall give you another catch phrase. "If you cannot stand the heat, get out of the proverbial kitchen." Of course you won't, you are another that enjoys the emotional satisfaction of building, and standing upon, a fantastical pedestal. There are a number of M/s relationships represented on these forums that I would not wish to be a part of. Yet I am long past thinking I need to save or convert anyone else. If it works for them, if they are happy and fulfilled..........faaaaabulous! If they are not, then it is up to them to do something about it.

leadership527 -> RE: what is TPE 24/7? (10/7/2009 1:53:05 PM)
~fast reply~ So, I'm hoping that in these 25 pages, the OP has in fact learned what 24x7 TPE is... it's a poorly defined and obscure variant of D/s. The topic incites people's passion, both positive and negative and nobody can actually agree on what it is but everyone can agree to get pissed off about it.

LaTigresse -> RE: what is TPE 24/7? (10/7/2009 1:55:25 PM)
Apparently so! [:D]

Lucienne -> RE: what is TPE 24/7? (10/7/2009 1:59:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: porcelaine i haven't judged you at all. as i've stated above. you are out of your league. since you're unable to wrap your mind around what slavery entails in this capacity. why would i entertain your rantings any further? you can't agree about a topic you're completely biased and ignorant of. nice try. porcelaine Says the woman who completely misses the meaning and point of mental capacity and consent. I have no idea why you continue to entertain my rantings (very non-judgmental and tactful word choice, by the way). Hasn't it been clear for 20 pages that I disagree with you about slavery? Didn't you state something 20 pages ago along the lines that I can't possibly understand and I'm just terribly ignorant and biased? Shouldn't you maybe, just maybe, hesitate to use the "I see no purpose in furthering this discussion with you" line based on knowledge you claim to have gained days ago? For your own sake, please do stop. Personally, I don't necessarily mind discussing things with ignorant and biased people. There's something to learn from every human being, even if they don't realize they're teaching you something.

NihilusZero -> RE: what is TPE 24/7? (10/7/2009 2:03:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: leadership527 ~fast reply~ So, I'm hoping that in these 25 pages, the OP has in fact learned what 24x7 TPE is... it's a poorly defined and obscure variant of D/s. The topic incites people's passion, both positive and negative and nobody can actually agree on what it is but everyone can agree to get pissed off about it. You shut it, infidel!!

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