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AnimusRex -> RE: Foot worshipping Dom (10/10/2009 8:21:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sissylover22 Good for you. Kiss her feet or massage her, then you as the dom are going to subvert your authority. Kiss her feet or massage her and COMMON SENSE will tell you you're serving her and your authority as the dom will be subverted. Common sense, that's all you need to exercise here. Sure we can do whatever we want, but when you have a certain essence you want to maintain (and I'm assuming the doms want to maintain an air of dominance), then you better pay attention to how you conduct yourself and maintain your reputation. This must be some powerful essense, this Master Mojo that can be evaporated by the simple act of rubbing feet. Or her feet are actually Aladdin lamps.

AnimusRex -> RE: Foot worshipping Dom (10/10/2009 8:29:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sissylover22 Kissing feet is symbolic of worship and respect whether you're too proud to admit it or not. If you kiss the feet of your submissive, you're a switch and you are lowering yourself beneath her while performing such an act. So you like to serve her too with feet kissing and back rubs, nothing wrong with that unless you're a dom 24/7. Sure you can kiss her feet, give her a nice hour long massage, even bow to her if it makes you happy, but why would you? Common sense says it's best to watch how you conduct yourself if you want to maintain your dominance in your girl's eyes. There are things that you just shouldn't engage in if you can about the structure and dynamic of your dom/sub relationship. It's common sense. If you want to be the dominant one, stay away from doing submissive acts to your submissive girl, unless you don't mind being viewed as submissive and worship and servant-like. What's next, are you going to bow to her right before you kiss her feet? Um, there are actually some Doms who are perv enough to enjoy giving oral- are we allowed to do that? Please say yes- I really really dig it, and would hate to have to give it up to keep my Dom card. Oh, and when she brings my coffee and newspaper in the morning, can I keep saying "thanks, sweetie" like I always do or do I have to snarl, "bout time, you fucking cunt whore!" Cuz that might just freak the kids out.

SimplyIsaac -> RE: Foot worshipping Dom (10/10/2009 9:24:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AnimusRex Oh, and when she brings my coffee and newspaper in the morning, can I keep saying "thanks, sweetie" like I always do or do I have to snarl, "bout time, you fucking cunt whore!" Cuz that might just freak the kids out. Funny stuff, I admit. In the spirit of taking things equally more out of context, I'm picturing you getting on all fours and giving head to her big toe with your morning coffee and bacon. Bet that would freak the kids out too.

AnimusRex -> RE: Foot worshipping Dom (10/10/2009 9:56:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyIsaac Funny stuff, I admit. In the spirit of taking things equally more out of context, I'm picturing you getting on all fours and giving head to her big toe with your morning coffee and bacon. Bet that would freak the kids out too. If her toe were wrapped in bacon, I would in fact lick it. And the kids know me well enough to accept my bacon-ophilia as part of my charming nature.

Krissy1 -> RE: Foot worshipping Dom (10/11/2009 9:16:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mbes I'd be much more likely to question the dominant tendencies of someone who refrained from an activity due to how I or others might see it, than one who uses my body to give himself pleasure. My thought exactly. If my dominant hesitates to follow his own urges (would it be desire to lick, rub or do whatever he pleases to my body he ownes) because of somebody's (even my) opinion, I'd translate it as weakness or confusion. And that is definitely not characteristic to my dom.

JonasTellas -> RE: Foot worshipping Dom (10/11/2009 10:16:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Krissy1 My thought exactly. If my dominant hesitates to follow his own urges (would it be desire to lick, rub or do whatever he pleases to my body he ownes) because of somebody's (even my) opinion, I'd translate it as weakness or confusion. Chiming in late here. Regardless if he can do [Fill in the blank] because HE IS THE DOM, he needs to maintain a level of dominance and act in accordance with someone in charge. It matters little that he can do whatever he wants, because truth be told, he can't. Not if he wants to keep his subs happy and submissive. If my dom started to kiss my feet, my submissive drive to serve him would vanish. But, that's just me. I don't think this has been mentioned but why would you think your opinion on your dom shouldn't matter? Do you not feel doms have a certain standard to follow for themselves if they are going to take a life and control it? I think the dom should care about what his sub thinks about his behavior. If he all of a sudden starts to be abusive, becomes an alcoholic, or starts to loose his dominance, why shouldn't the sub re-evaluate her relationship with him based on his actions? As a submissive, I would be so uncomfortable with my dom massaging me, and pampering me, and especially kissing my feet. Not what I want in my dom. That's my job and why I love submitting. If he all of a sudden started acting submissive to me, I would leave, if he all of a sudden started becoming an aggressive drunk I would leave. So, yes, my dom better care what I think of him based on his actions. I would hope my dom values the perspectives his subs bring.

SimplyIsaac -> RE: Foot worshipping Dom (10/11/2009 10:47:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JonasTellas I don't think this has been mentioned but why would you think your opinion on your dom shouldn't matter? Do you not feel doms have a certain standard to follow for themselves if they are going to take a life and control it? I think the dom should care about what his sub thinks about his behavior. If he all of a sudden starts to be abusive, becomes an alcoholic... Fair point. If a dominant man were to follow any urge without a care regardless of the outcome based on the "dom badge", well then, let him stagger in at 3:00 every a.m. wreaking of Jack D. That really is the logical extension of the claim some use in this thread.

Krissy1 -> RE: Foot worshipping Dom (10/11/2009 12:56:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JonasTellas I don't think this has been mentioned but why would you think your opinion on your dom shouldn't matter? Do you not feel doms have a certain standard to follow for themselves if they are going to take a life and control it? I think the dom should care about what his sub thinks about his behavior. his actions. I would hope my dom values the perspectives his subs bring. Of course my opinion matters. In all apects of our mutual (or shared) life. But not, when he defines himself through his preferences. What behaviour is/is not part of his dominant nature, is only his to decide.

JonasTellas -> RE: Foot worshipping Dom (10/11/2009 4:41:36 PM)
"But not, when he defines himself through his preferences." So to say it in other ways, whatever your doms preferences are that are related to his dominance, you are to have no opinion? Is that what you mean? I follow you, but what if a doms preference was to start becoming more domineering and abusive? What if the doms preference was to start binge drinking because he can and he's the dom? What if his preference was to start serving you? What if a doms preference was to start catering to his submissive so that she ends up being served by him? As a woman who is submissive, are you going to say your feelings about your dom turning submissive should not matter because it's his "preference"? His behavior is going to have consequences, or at least they should. He should know that if he wants to keep his sub happy, he is going to have to conduct himself in a way that's going to keep subs. If I give myself to him and he starts conducting his actions like someone else, or something else, then there's going to be a problem. How he acts, what he does affects me,period. And I hold him to a standard too. Maybe I'm not understanding you but it seems you feel it's not your right to judge his dom preferences. But honestly, if he all of a sudden turned submissive on you, you would be fine with that? If this is true, then is it right to assume you care about just being in a relationship with your dom regardless of what he decides to do? I don't know,but for me, if my dom started to act submissive to me, kiss my feet, cater to my needs,I would leave him. I'm looking to serve, not be served. But that's just me.

WyldHrt -> RE: Foot worshipping Dom (10/11/2009 11:26:04 PM)
quote: So to say it in other ways, whatever your doms preferences are that are related to his dominance, you are to have no opinion? Is that what you mean? I follow you, but what if a doms preference was to start becoming more domineering and abusive? What if the doms preference was to start binge drinking because he can and he's the dom? What if his preference was to start serving you? What if a doms preference was to start catering to his submissive so that she ends up being served by him? As a woman who is submissive, are you going to say your feelings about your dom turning submissive should not matter because it's his "preference"? His behavior is going to have consequences, or at least they should. He should know that if he wants to keep his sub happy, he is going to have to conduct himself in a way that's going to keep subs. If I give myself to him and he starts conducting his actions like someone else, or something else, then there's going to be a problem. How he acts, what he does affects me,period. And I hold him to a standard too. Maybe I'm not understanding you but it seems you feel it's not your right to judge his dom preferences. But honestly, if he all of a sudden turned submissive on you, you would be fine with that? If this is true, then is it right to assume you care about just being in a relationship with your dom regardless of what he decides to do? I don't know,but for me, if my dom started to act submissive to me, kiss my feet, cater to my needs,I would leave him. I'm looking to serve, not be served. But that's just me. Welcome to the fray, Jonas! Headgear, flamesuits, and padded gloves are on the shelf to your right, and there's cold water/ sports drinks in the fridge... [:D] Now, to your posts. IMO, the big conflict here seems to be between those who seek to define "dominance" through some arbitrary list of pre-defined "Domly" and "submissive" acts; and those who see any act within the context of the dynamic in which it occurs. Rather big disconnect. No one is saying that a Dom's (or sub's) actions cannot destroy the dynamic in any number of ways, or that the actions of a Dom aren't judged by His sub within their relationship. The argument is that some here seem to think that there is a specific list of acts that are so inherently "UnDomly", that they will erode and eventually detroy any D/s dynamic, no matter the context. Personally, I think that is horseshit, but others disagree.

DemonKia -> RE: Foot worshipping Dom (10/11/2009 11:35:18 PM)
FR, after read thru So, in honor of SimplyIsaac going back & digging up the post numbers of what he thought were my 'greatest misses', I went back thru this thread & tallied up votes over the great divide that developed in this thread. 4 out of 5 practicing kinksters in this thread say doms can worship feet . . . . . (If the 'voters' think I got their personal vote wrong, please correct me -- please. Pretty please.): Understandable for doms to 'worship feet' (or, more broadly, 'fetishize feet') within some kinda context: Darcyandthedark, Makrieth, DesFIP, sweetsub1957, daintydimples, AquaticSub, AnimusRex, masterlink65, DavanKael, ChatDuBengale, Aswad, Mercnbeth (beth, I think), Level, RedMagic1, Huntertn, GYPSYMAMBO, WyldHrt, leadership527, CreativeDominant Specific subset who simply asserted some variation on "actions don't dictate dominance or submission" without specifying the foot scenario: Acer49, Toppingfrmbottom, BossyShoeBitch, thishereboi, ncbabe, mbes, Krissy1 Foot worship is inherently submissive & variants: sissylover22, MarcEsadrian, Ownednoperated, porcelaine (graduated scale), JonasTellas, No clear vote one way or the other: ranja, LaTigresse, LadyClaudiaVan, mnottertail, IronBear, welcomerain, Now, if it was counted on number of votes, the 'foot worship is sub' crowd would have won, they posted way in excess of their numbers of voters; but if overall number of voters is the criteria, the 'doms get to do what they please' crowd won, overwhelmingly, 26 to 5. Luckily, people's individual kinks are *not* up for democratic vote or common sense understanding of what oughta be . . . . . . . & I'm striving to remember to be chastened at the notion that all of us out-&-organized kinksters are in no way representative of that 'silent majority' of 'twue masters of s&m' who are training slaves for weal . . . . . Those 'twue masters' don't have time to waste going to munches or even talking to people who go to munches . . . . Oh, & Isaac, dude. A sense of irony would really help you, especially if you insist on reading my postings. I positively exude post-modern hyper-irony, especially in my textual works. & you're more than a little irony-deaf, apparently. There's been several times now when you've taken quite seriously something I said mockingly or otherwise in (what I thought was clearly) a jesting manner .. . . . . Either that, or maybe you should just 'Hide' my posts, lol . . . .. . . .. Cuz this rock star is on an upward trajectory, lol . . . .. I love to be the belle of the ball, to charm with my words & wit, & I gots my fans, bay-buh . . . . . . .

SimplyIsaac -> RE: Foot worshipping Dom (10/11/2009 11:48:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyldHrt No one is saying that a Dom's (or sub's) actions cannot destroy the dynamic in any number of ways, or that the actions of a Dom aren't judged by His sub within their relationship. The argument is that some here seem to think that there is a specific list of acts that are so inherently "UnDomly", that they will erode and eventually detroy any D/s dynamic, no matter the context. Personally, I think that is horseshit, but others disagree. Finer point: said people readily agree master has the right to engage in any act, but it is the psychology behind the act that I know I and others here have addressed. To get even more on-topic, the subject of the OP is foot worship. For some (and I would argue most), a master worshipping his submissive's foot is going to cause some degree of consternation about the relationship dynamic between a dominant male and his submissive female. You may want to call that "horse shit", and that is your opinion to have, but (obviously) many find it flies in the face of reason. I say, rightly so. This isn't rocket science.

DemonKia -> RE: Foot worshipping Dom (10/11/2009 11:59:22 PM)
& yet, Isaac, 4 out of 5 participants in this thread voted the other way . . . . . . quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyIsaac Finer point: said people readily agree master has the right to engage in any act, but it is the psychology behind the act that I know I and others here have addressed. To get even more on-topic, the subject of the OP is foot worship. For some (and I would argue most), a master worshipping his submissive's foot is going to cause some degree of consternation about the relationship dynamic between a dominant male and his submissive female. You may want to call that "horse shit", and that is your opinion to have, but (obviously) many find it flies in the face of reason. I say, rightly so. This isn't rocket science.

SimplyIsaac -> RE: Foot worshipping Dom (10/12/2009 12:02:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DemonKia Oh, & Isaac, dude. A sense of irony would really help you, especially if you insist on reading my postings. I positively exude post-modern hyper-irony, especially in my textual works. & you're more than a little irony-deaf, apparently. There's been several times now when you've taken quite seriously something I said mockingly or otherwise in (what I thought was clearly) a jesting manner .. . . . . Either that, or maybe you should just 'Hide' my posts, lol . . . .. . . .. Kia, perhaps not trying to be so cute with "irony" would help to that end. The point of writing is basically to communicate clearly. Inference and tone is often lost in textual writing. Where I am irony deaf, I suggest that you may be common sense deaf. quote: ORIGINAL: DemonKia Luckily, people's individual kinks are not up for democratic vote or common sense understanding of what oughta be . . . I probably won't earn much favor for saying this, but if the cliques of this forum were to be arbiters of what is right and wrong, those of us who do not measure our way of life out in "kinks" would all be in for a pretty pointless and confusing ride in the end. P.s. You forgot to count the OP in favor of nay for foot worship.

SimplyIsaac -> RE: Foot worshipping Dom (10/12/2009 12:11:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DemonKia & yet, Isaac, 4 out of 5 participants in this thread voted the other way . . . I doubt the usual haunts of the CM message board even remotely represent the majority thinking, Kia. If they did, I doubt we'd be having this protracted discourse. Your tallying up us vs. them on such a limited gamut is a vacuous pissing contest, and typical of someone who places unhealthy value on niche group validation. If it makes you feel better, more power to you.

WyldHrt -> RE: Foot worshipping Dom (10/12/2009 12:22:18 AM)
Nice to see you up this late, Isaac [:D] Psychology is always fun, but even those who have made it a profession rarely make hard and fast universal rules. There always seems to be that pesky "individual" deelio that just fucks things up. If you re-read the thread, you will find that most of the flames are in response to those who seek to make "absolute" rules. The fact that things like "back rubs" and "bringing a drink" have been added to the subject of the OP only highlight the main issue, IMO. I will happily continue to call any list of supposedly submissive acts, taken out of context, to be horseshit TYVM. If that somehow flies in the face of "reason", so be it. No, it isn't rocket science.... it's people, and how they interact withing their own relationships. I'd wager that the latter is significantly more complicated than the former [:D]

SimplyIsaac -> RE: Foot worshipping Dom (10/12/2009 12:34:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyldHrt If you re-read the thread, you will find that most of the flames are in response to those who seek to make "absolute" rules. The fact that things like "back rubs" and "bringing a drink" have been added to the subject of the OP only highlight the main issue, IMO. It probably highlights the main issue for you, but including those examples was unfortunate, as it is clear simply giving a back rub or bringing a drink in of itself bears no near universally recognized inference. The same cannot be said of foot worship, which is the subject of the OP.

WyldHrt -> RE: Foot worshipping Dom (10/12/2009 12:41:44 AM)
quote: I probably won't earn much favor for saying this, but if the cliques of this forum were to be arbiters of what is right and wrong, those of us who do not measure our way of life out in "kinks" would all be in for a pretty pointless and confusing ride in the end. OK, this is just hilarious. WTF do any "cliques" have to do with this? As for the forum regulars (ie: clique, I guess), most of us are on the side of "do what is right for your own relationship". How exactly is that imcompatible with anyone who chooses not to measure their way of life out in kinks?? I would think that you would be more annoyed with those who seek to set down some arbitrary checklist of acceptable Domly acts. Go fig [8D]

DemonKia -> RE: Foot worshipping Dom (10/12/2009 12:53:07 AM)
& when did 'kinks' become a derisive word on a BDSM site? Did I miss a meeting? Cuz I vote that kinks are something to be celebrated on a BDSM social networking site, not used to dismiss & deride . . . . . But that may just be because I might only be here for the "exclusively ... topping and bottoming and sensation play and kinky sex with neat outfits" . . .. . (As if that was a bad thing . . . . .. ) But I guess it does mean that I'm not allowed opinions unless I'm a 'serious s&m master' . . . . . . . [8D]

WyldHrt -> RE: Foot worshipping Dom (10/12/2009 1:07:51 AM)
quote: It probably highlights the main issue for you, but including those examples was unfortunate, as it is clear simply giving a back rub or bringing a drink in of itself bears no near universally recognized inference. The same cannot be said of foot worship, which is the subject of the OP. It is NOT clear, as those examples were certainly not brought up by me, nor the "clique posse". The backrubs and drink bringing were brought up by the "no foot" brigade, as further examples of "UmDomly behaviour". After all, a Dom who gives a backrub or gets a drink for His sub is obviously a switch, or worse, a sub. Did you somehow miss those posts? Geez, if you are going to pick a side, at least read the posts.

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