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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/6/2009 5:58:42 PM

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Depends on what one considers regal. If you know your place then you are not being pampered, you are being treated as you should be to draw out your surrender. Not all slaves are the same, but not everyone has the same preferences either. Nice pic by the way.

i believe we have already discussed that there are different flavors of slaves and surrender falls along the same line. some girls need to be put into that position to extract it as you've stated. others come in and willingly hand it over the moment they accept his hand.

i am always my Owners prize. to think of myself as less than would be unseemly. nor is there anything wrong with showing a slave care that some might deem as pampering. people do far more with their cars and no one finds it strange. as with all things what you put in is what you'll get back. i believe in a high roi on both ends.

thanks for the compliment.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/6/2009 6:36:30 PM

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The word slave is entirly defined by the person using the word.

I think that is unfortunately true and completely ridiculous: I can't think of any other sphere where pivotal words are "allowed" to have vastly divergent and/or contradictory meanings. And often the same people that loudly tout how imperative it is to communicate insist they have the right to define words willy-nilly as they choose: obfuscation, anyone?

To me it is simple: no limits = there is nothing you would refuse to do, "no housework" = a limit; thus, this person should not define themselves as having "no limits".

I don't think having limits makes them "bad" or "lesser" or "wrong": it makes them honest about their needs, expectations, and service.

And I don't think limits are a bad thing, especially at the outset, while searching- lots of things you may think are limits disappear off your "limit list" when you are actually with someone).

Seeing someone who is currently not in a relationship who defines themselves as a "no limit slave" with a list (however small and trivial) of things they won't do makes me think they are either a fantasist, an idiot, or their definition of "no limit slave" equals my definition of topping-from-the-bottom princess (which basically, to me, would mean they are grossly misrepresenting themselves).

God, I'm only on page 6! I'm never going to get through this thread!

About your post: I agree with you a lot that words have established meanings and taking a word with an established meaning and twisting its meaning so that it means something that just magically happens to be flattering to your or someone you like is not cool.

But what do you think about a person who says this in their profile: "I will have no limits, in fact that's the only way I feel comfortable being, with whatever dominant manages to catch me but until that happens I will, for my own safety and sanity, impose limits on who I let get close to me. I will pick and choose. I will be selective. It may not do me any good, as I know the things that entrap a person often have nothing to do with rational, logical decision making, but are more like when, in a moment of brief brilliance, the clouds part and a faint scent wafts to your nostrils and teases them about what might have been or reminds you of something you'd like to remember which leads you to walk down the side path where you might see what it is, but where instead you fall asleep in the poppies only to wake up in chains... but nevertheless, until the magic happens, I will examine, evaluate, judge, compare to past experience, and very cautiously and carefully find out about those who happen my way... and also find many wanting due to my high standards."

Ok. That was kind of long-winded. My question is, Is that the statement of a limited person pretending to be unlimited? And why or why not?

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/6/2009 10:12:31 PM

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"Oh, and it doesn't help that the word slave is used abused and misused so often by "no limit slaves" who say they won't do housework. But another topic for another thread!" --someone in the TPE thread

Ok, I'm biting. Has anyone every met this sort of person before? I don't solicit for slaves, so I probably wouldn't have much occasion to meet someone like this. And if so, have you questioned them as to how to they reconcile "no limits" with "no housework?" I'm curious about the mindset, assuming it exists.

The reality is DO_ME and "no limits don't do housework" seem to be the same thing. They want kink their way, all I have to say is that Burger king is down the street we don't play that way here.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/6/2009 11:36:40 PM

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But what do you think about a person who says this in their profile: "I will have no limits, in fact that's the only way I feel comfortable being, with whatever dominant manages to catch me but until that happens I will, for my own safety and sanity, impose limits on who I let get close to me. I will pick and choose. I will be selective. It may not do me any good, as I know the things that entrap a person often have nothing to do with rational, logical decision making, but are more like when, in a moment of brief brilliance, the clouds part and a faint scent wafts to your nostrils and teases them about what might have been or reminds you of something you'd like to remember which leads you to walk down the side path where you might see what it is, but where instead you fall asleep in the poppies only to wake up in chains... but nevertheless, until the magic happens, I will examine, evaluate, judge, compare to past experience, and very cautiously and carefully find out about those who happen my way... and also find many wanting due to my high standards."

Ok. That was kind of long-winded. My question is, Is that the statement of a limited person pretending to be unlimited? And why or why not?

In my opinion that is the statement of an intelligent, introspective, reasoning (and reasonable) human being. I see no pretense there.

To be really, really nit-picky I would suggest changing "I will have no limits..." to "My only limits will be those you place upon me..." My master has put a number of limits on me both sexually and for day-to-day stuff but those are the only "limits" I am permitted (I am, however, allowed to state my preferences and he will take those into account).

As to the rest, I think it's fabulous that there is an expressed plan of being systematic and sensible while being open to (and accepting that there are) forces of nature that toss logic and plans out the nearest window.

I also believe that if you are planning to hand control of your life to another human being it is imperative to have high standards and, equally important, stick to them.

I think if negative responses were received in reaction to the above profile it doesn't mean the concepts are wrong: it means those replying are not right for the person who holds those beliefs (and a thousand times better to know right away).

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/7/2009 7:15:17 AM

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Ok. That was kind of long-winded. My question is, Is that the statement of a limited person pretending to be unlimited? And why or why not?

i believe the statement begins as it should. if she's property, limits are no longer part of her world. it doesn't matter what the Owner elects to take or refrain from. her role is to remain open and accepting to whatever may come. yes, you can cover various situations beforehand, prior to her acceptance of the position. however, everything can and often does change. i cannot foresee how it is possible to consider myself as such if there are areas i'm unwilling to hand over. if that is the case, a different brand of servitude would be more suitable.

while she is unowned and seeking a potential Owner, she should utilize the intelligence and common sense she's been bestowed with. a girl's most important decision is who she will walk beside. if she chooses unwisely the results can be disastrous. i don't believe her stance is inappropriate and i'm not a huge proponent of having preconceived notions about service as a whole. each person is different and will craft the lifestyle they deem best for them. entering a situation with ice cream castles dancing in your head is a disappointment waiting to occur.

my approach is completely rational. i maintain a concept that defines what slavery entails and the precepts i believe are imperative for absolute servitude. however, these things are of little consequence when i'm in service to someone. he will dictate whether these concepts are applicable, will be altered, or must be completely discarded. i have always viewed myself a canvas to be etched upon. but until the time arrives when i have my sculptor, i am forced to draw upon experiences and other criteria to determine if a would be suitor is capable of assuming that role. once i've said yes, i have no one to blame if prince charming turns out to be an ogre in disguise.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/7/2009 7:21:47 AM

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Just out of curiosity -- why is it that the automatic presumption is a girl is gonna lay around and look sexy instead of cleaning house. I mean seriously folks? Why so extreme. Why not think that while she may not be useful or miserable cleaning all day, she could be better served doing something else? Why is it lol every time this topic of housework comes up people go to such an extreme of she wants to be lazy or just lay around looking sexy or MY FAVORITE, she just wanted to be fucked.

Seriously folks, let's be realistic because the extreme is simply silly and not at all what i get from women who don't want to have to do all of the housework in the house or be a domestic slut 24/7 to a guy who calls her slave.

angel

Perhaps because the "something more useful" she could be doing has not been spelled out in terms of examples by any of those who state that they don't do that?

I'm sure it was just a Freudian slip or an unintentional juxtaposition of your phrasing but the comment of yours above in which you state that the slave could be better served by doing something more useful is interesting.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/7/2009 7:33:21 AM

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Yes, I really have seen profiles where the person goes on and on about how slavish they are and how no limits or free will they have...

Anytime someone approaches me and suggests that they have "no limits," I suggest that I might someday want to use my chainsaw to dismember my slave. Suddenly, "chainsaws" become a hard limit for them.

If someone really thinks that they have "no limits," either they have insufficient imagination, or they have a death wish.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/7/2009 7:41:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: CaringandReal

"Oh, and it doesn't help that the word slave is used abused and misused so often by "no limit slaves" who say they won't do housework. But another topic for another thread!" --someone in the TPE thread

Ok, I'm biting. Has anyone every met this sort of person before? I don't solicit for slaves, so I probably wouldn't have much occasion to meet someone like this. And if so, have you questioned them as to how to they reconcile "no limits" with "no housework?" I'm curious about the mindset, assuming it exists.

Chimming in late: there's a contradiction in the entire premise of slavery if THAT is considered a "won't do." Slavery no doubt can and likey will involve...housework.

Enough said. Yet I keep seeing a "No, but..." in these responses. I think Level said it best: Now, folks like to use the word, for status, to excite themselves or their partner... and sure, anyone can call themselves what they want, it doesn't make it accurate. I can call my Chevy a Rolls Royce all I want to, but that motherfucker won't sell that way.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/7/2009 7:51:38 AM

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Perhaps because the "something more useful" she could be doing has not been spelled out in terms of examples by any of those who state that they don't do that?

She could be a doctor, lawyer, professor, architect, rocket scientist, etc. etc. etc.-- involved in time- and energy-consuming work outside the home. Of course it's ultimately up to masterguy to decide if these things are "more useful" than 24/7 housework.... But perhaps a prospective slave can be forgiven for having her own opinions on the matter prior to entering a relationship.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/7/2009 8:01:54 AM

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Perhaps because the "something more useful" she could be doing has not been spelled out in terms of examples by any of those who state that they don't do that?

She could be a doctor, lawyer, professor, architect, rocket scientist, etc. etc. etc.-- involved in time- and energy-consuming work outside the home. Of course it's ultimately up to masterguy to decide if these things are "more useful" than 24/7 housework.... But perhaps a prospective slave can be forgiven for having her own opinions on the matter prior to entering a relationship.

Opinions are fine but the person...and people...referred to are then, as noted by many others, twisting the word slave to mean what they want it to mean as it suits them. Setting standards for a guy to meet before you enter into slavery is one thing...setting standards as to what slavery is then becomes a more romantic, more "robust-sounding" term than extreme submissive or even "just" submissive, as Level noted.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/7/2009 8:02:27 AM

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*sorry. changed my mind about jumping into this cauldron.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/7/2009 9:23:02 AM

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Perhaps because the "something more useful" she could be doing has not been spelled out in terms of examples by any of those who state that they don't do that?

Ummm and you or anyone else is INCAPABLE OF ASKING her to elaborate or some other silly thing like ask an open ended question that will have her elaborating on HER expectations and understands and views of the future? I mean hell go figure, a conversation starting -- who'd have thunk it. The dominant, the one who wants the control who wants to be the guider and such actually having to have a conversation instead of just stoping point blank at a statement and get all up in arms and how dare she etc. Yeah -- ASSUME -- you know the drill on this, yes?

No, i am seriously saying THE SLAVE IS BETTER SERVED, omg a slave being SERVED by doing something she enjoys in her relationship to a Man so that she isn't miserable and thrives in his slavery. Yeah i know OMG OMG a slave somehow being BETTER SERVED at doing something she is good at, talented at, enjoys all in service of her Master which also serves her. You know it really does help when one doesn't look at TWO WORDS such as BETTER SERVED associated with slave and become all aghast at how dare a slave be served and presume it means the MAN WOULDN'T be served because well gee golly the slave is getting to do what she enjoys and draw assumptions. In this aspect, you are thinking i mean the Man is catering to, or giving in, or allowing HER to make the decisions -- you are wrong.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/7/2009 9:34:50 AM

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I am once again vindicated.

The notion of womens submission is wholly fantasy;
they are just dominating from the long was 'round......

Hup the Fool (and you all can fuckin' quote me...)

(he who has ears to hear, let him be content in this matter, you are getting what you want).

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/7/2009 9:43:49 AM

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what they want it to mean as it suits them

Okay really stupid question, but do you really believe that a woman slave or not, no limits or limits would actually enter into something that doesn't SUIT them? If that were the serious no sarcasm case, you are pretty much saying that a woman wanting to enter into slavery would take on any tom, dick or harry to be a slave too. Now, i am a person whose understanding is that the slavery of a woman is determined by the Man. However, i also know the actuality and reality that if the situation doesn't SUIT the woman, she won't just kneel to anyone and say okay cool.

I really think your naitivity is showing in 1) you think no limits is a concept of do anything to me baby, and 2) you believe women entering into slavery have no concept of selection based on what they need.

I guess i am just blinking at your whole understanding that seems like there isn't much understanding of actuality of how human nature works and selects versus the i hate to use it but fantasy idea that women have no selective process when it comes to being a slave be it of the Man, of the situation, of the beliefs etc.

There is a lot that goes into it -- and its not -- eenie, meanie, miney mo on the slave's part just as it isn't on the Man's part. They are each looking for something.

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/7/2009 9:45:39 AM

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The notion of womens submission is wholly fantasy;
they are just dominating from the long was 'round......

Ron was that a fast reply or directed at what i wrote?

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/7/2009 9:50:02 AM

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Yanno bna is pretty correct in this........

Look, in the old days, really old days, if slavery was not a worthwhile proposition for any man woman or child, they could kill themselves.

Long about the civil war period, plus or minus some 50 years, they could run away, buy themselves out of it, kill themselves........any number of things......

(those statements are not a compendium and thought thru for airtightness but if the reader is not too pedantic

..............

Anyways, nowadays they can just walk the fuck right out the door.

Some need must be met, and hey, it still could be as simple as food, but goddamn folks....

Nobody invites the all alone in the world scenario.

Ron

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/7/2009 9:55:38 AM

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The notion of womens submission is wholly fantasy;
they are just dominating from the long was 'round......

Ron was that a fast reply or directed at what i wrote?

That was part fast reply and part what you wrote, see my following post, you have seen me say that before, don't take it out of context. I've re-explained it in the Yanno--- bna post, a little (as I am wont to do)

Ron

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/7/2009 10:13:55 AM

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Hi Ron,

What people don't recall to me is a woman isn't a slave until she is actually owned. So for people to presume her discussions prior to being owned and listing what she enjoys, wants, likes, hates, despises etc, people always want to make a bad thing and somehow grade her "slaveyness" on same. Its not easy to perceive slavery when 1) you don't live in same, 2) never lived in same, 3) really have a clue what it is. So many times, its not about her slaveyness but about her imagination.

Now, i will say this, once she is his slave -- her slavery IS determined by him but it also includes his mastery of her. If his mastery isn't strong enough to HOLD her especially if she is miserable or unfulfilled overall due to what he makes her do, then yeah, she may walk out the door. Its up to him the Man in control to hold her in his determinations, if he can't do that and relies on her holding herself, then he does stand the risk that one day her determination will be to no longer be his slave and she will move on and seek someone who does fulfill her.

I guess it comes down to i see a lot in people that people must ENDURE slavery.   Hell, my slavery was progressive, i did a hell of a lot of things at the end that were HELL NO's at the beginning of my slavery. grins, OH HELL NO were three very used words in the beginning lol. However, eventually they turned to yes Master and some were even OH HELL YES!

It all depends how much work the Man wishes to put into changing the Hell NO's to Hell Yes's.   Again, its a lot about cost and value, but until she is actually owned by the Man, she is free to have her little lists and limits and all that fun stuff that may put obstacles in the Man's way.   Many Masters i know don't let those phase them.

angel

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/7/2009 10:17:10 AM

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gotta even agree with that.........

it is faze, btw.

R

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RE: No Limits Slaves Who Say They Won't Do Housework - 10/7/2009 10:29:52 AM

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Opps misread, i thought you said your agreeing with me is a faze lol.

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