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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 11:04:33 AM

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We all are born with an appendix that has no known function anymore...

Off topic but interesting, it appears that this is no longer true...

We now know, however, that the appendix serves an important role in the fetus and in young adults... [and] Among adult humans, the appendix is now thought to be involved primarily in immune functions.

Scientific American

Other research suggests that it may also serve as a safe harbor for good bacteria, so that the gut can be repopulated after exposure to a pathogen

Science Direct

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 11:05:14 AM

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"Believers" of all 'gods' are a plague. Belief without fact, absolute and without questioning, generates the fanaticism we see all around us.

there are some who do have belief without questioning. As to the "fact"...it is a matter of personal perception.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 11:21:26 AM

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Nothing wrong with believing in any of the gods, old or new. It's the fanatic belief in any of them to the exclusion of any other consideration, that generated the polarization, war, and hatred we saw in the past, and we are seeing the the present. Intolerance for any 'non-believer' or even a conflicting 'god' is why belief in any 'god' has been responsible for more pain, suffering, and death than any other plague.

Do you honestly think anything can be described as a "God" if that sort of unthinking exclusivity doesn't occur?

To answer your question I'd have to consider the existence of a 'God', or at least consider the possibility of a 'god' who, based upon results, would be so illogical, irrational, and a shit-load more sadistic than I would ever consider being. I'll take what comes at my death; meanwhile I won't lose sleep trying to figure out the 'will of god' or use 'god's will' as a rationalization for some personal or global catastrophe. I'm devoted to 'pragmatism' a religion of reality. Whatever reality exists upon death, I'll deal with the same way - pragmatically.

I've been involved and studied a variety of religions. Read a few versions of the Bible, Torah, Koran, and, although not as much, some of the Eastern Religion's dogma. I've come to the conclusion that either there is a 'god' with better things to do than care about his/her creation; or there isn't. Chicken/egg, god/nature; are akin to playing 'tic-tac-toe'; a stalemate is guaranteed, only a fool would fight, or worse stake their life, on the outcome. All I can say about religions, is that in general, many of the Eastern being notable exemptions, seem to use all the war, death, and pain to the 'infidels', 'non-believers', or whatever; and very little of the 'turn the other cheek', 'all men are brothers' parts of their teachings. Another thing they have in common with the modern religions - like global warming.

I guess that would generate an answer to your question. Focusing on the words in your question; it becomes clear that the 'god' of "unthinking exclusivity" is the plague, more than belief, or the "believers" of any 'god'. My 'god' would be rational thought or 'thinking'; but anyone choosing not to has no worries about me going to war about it.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 11:25:09 AM

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My 'god' would be rational thought or 'thinking'; but anyone choosing not to has no worries about me going to war about it.

In which case you're not thinking about a God at all.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 11:30:16 AM

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We all are born with an appendix that has no known function anymore...

Off topic but interesting, it appears that this is no longer true...

We now know, however, that the appendix serves an important role in the fetus and in young adults... [and] Among adult humans, the appendix is now thought to be involved primarily in immune functions.

Scientific American

Other research suggests that it may also serve as a safe harbor for good bacteria, so that the gut can be repopulated after exposure to a pathogen

Science Direct

K.

True, Master. i should have said proven instead of known. While these are very interesting theories, Duke recently stated the same theory, August 2008 i believe. They may believe this is the function, no one knows for sure nor has it been proven.

But, not taking away from the other discussion, circumcisions were thought to prevent many diseases and problems... which is no longer the case, nor the belief.

I do take exception at the idea that having this procedure done at any age leads to more men becoming rapists and such. I would think at this point, many men here on the boards would be pondering a few things.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 11:31:41 AM

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Do you honestly think anything can be described as a "God" if that sort of unthinking exclusivity doesn't occur?

Unh, yes....

The Lord sayeth,
Hear my supreme word which I shall speak unto thee, My beloved, with desire for thy welfare:
I am the beginning, the middle, and the end of all things.
I am the consciousness of beings; and of knowledge, the knowledge of the supreme.
I am the same in all; there are none who are disliked or favorites to Me.
Hear my supreme word, for thou art surely loved by Me; I speak for thy good.
He who sees the supreme Lord existing alike in all beings, is he who truly sees.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 11:35:29 AM

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My 'god' would be rational thought or 'thinking'; but anyone choosing not to has no worries about me going to war about it.

In which case you're not thinking about a God at all.

Sure I am - considering all of my post and not the one line you quoted - I have very clear thoughts about the 'god' concept - I think any 'god' in a religious context, old 8school or new, doesn't exist.

My thoughts don't make me think ill or even feel sorry for people who do; hell I'm in love with married one. I won't represent I 'tolerate' any belief, that would mean I gave consideration to not tolerating someone because of their beliefs. A belief doesn't generate any response. "Unthinking" belief, and intolerance is another matter. The 'belief' required for that position earns my disrespect and disdain. I detest those who don't have the same liberal tolerance as I do for the possibility that they may be wrong in their represented "unthinking" position.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 11:48:08 AM

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. My 'god' would be rational thought or 'thinking';

well whadda ya know...mine is!!

Now some of his followers.......

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 11:52:02 AM

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I think any 'god' in a religious context

i realize this comment was not directed to me...but i have said it before that there are many of us who are believers in God but not in organized religion.

Call it semantics but there is a huge difference.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 11:56:56 AM

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Call it semantics but there is a huge difference.

That is precisely the point that always gets lost (not for lack of someone making it) in these endless bash sessions between atheists and religionists.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 12:00:17 PM

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I think any 'god' in a religious context

i realize this comment was not directed to me...but i have said it before that there are many of us who are believers in God but not in organized religion.

Call it semantics but there is a huge difference.

I agree with you Holly. Its a point i have expressed over and over on these threads... one the atheists decide to overlook because it doesnt fit snuggly into their arguments.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 12:03:23 PM

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Call it semantics but there is a huge difference.

That is precisely the point that always gets lost (not for lack of someone making it) in these endless bash sessions between atheists and religionists.

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Amen.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 12:05:07 PM

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one the atheists decide to overlook

Some of the.

Repeating the fault in a new direction doesn't help.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 12:06:20 PM

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Your right Master Tim.. some of the atheists.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 12:06:21 PM

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I think any 'god' in a religious context

i realize this comment was not directed to me...but i have said it before that there are many of us who are believers in God but not in organized religion.

Call it semantics but there is a huge difference.

It's not semantics at all.

I absolutely, unequivocally believe in a god, but hate organized religion. So I am constantly lumped in with "atheists" and lectured to about the importance of faith and the emptiness of my existence. It becomes quite tiring after a point.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 1:09:52 PM

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There a few religions that are far more a social control method than a belief system, so it's well worth bearing the distinction in mind, imo. Just look at Catholicism or $cientology.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 1:26:36 PM

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The truth is that godless communism, fascism, and other forms of totalitarian government have been responsible for well over 100 million deaths in the last 100 years alone.

Christianity is responsible for ending slavery, cannibalism, oppression of women, etc... throughout the world, not to mention scientific and medical advances.

Anyone can start a thread and make ridiculous claims and assertions, without a shred of historical fact, and it's never more evident than when people who hate their Creator decide to weigh in.

Before you spout off about "ridiculous claims without a shred of historical fact" it may be an idea to read about Churches owning plantations, and slaves to work them.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 3:31:15 PM

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I absolutely, unequivocally believe in a god, but hate organized religion. So I am constantly lumped in with "atheists" and lectured to about the importance of faith and the emptiness of my existence. It becomes quite tiring after a point. ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

As one of those atheists, I fully agree there is a difference between a belief in God and a belief in religion. Religion is the belief that God has come down and given a set of rules for his favorites to obey. Mostly it's used like a little bully uses a big brother, as a weapon. "Do what I say or God will punish you."

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 5:10:22 PM

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Christianity is responsible for ending slavery, cannibalism, oppression of women, etc... throughout the world, not to mention scientific and medical advances.

Speaking of evidence, could you support that statement? Because not everyone agrees with you about that:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient" Rome. -Winston Churchill

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 10/17/2009 5:18:26 PM

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I think it might be an indefensible statement that he's made and then dropped. He certainly didn't reply when I asked about the religious right blocking stem cell research.

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