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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 12/5/2009 8:45:15 AM

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Are you sure it is six times and not five times? Where is your data? What are your sources? Have you factored out economic and class differences? Have you even identified the areas of reference? No, you have not. No, you have no studies. You invent numbers to suit your imagined super genius.

I quote these data from a newspaper article I read some years ago, referring to a scientific article. Jews and Muslims six times more lethal inherited defects than Dutch people and Dutch Antilleans five times as much. There are plenty of other sources indicating a very high incidence of such diseases in various populations named by me in this thread.

You are boring me with your myopic nitpicking. If you are that interested in the matter, then hunt the sources yourself. I am not here to write a scientific article. (I may do so eventually elsewhere, but not here.)

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 12/5/2009 9:13:44 AM

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Have you factored out economic and class differences?

Yep; such factors are not pertinent to the problem as they do not affect the allele frequencies in the gene pool.

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Have you even identified the areas of reference?

What do you mean by areas of reference?

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You invent numbers to suit your imagined super genius.

I get the impression that you are stone deaf. You not only have no idea where the hammer of the ringing bell hangs, you do not even hear the bell ringing. That there is a very high incidence of inherited deleterious alleles among Jews and Muslims is not in dispute; it is an established fact.

I am interested only in truth. Unlike people who desperately try to be politically correct and lie about everything in a vain attempt to justify their position, I have no interest in inventing numbers. In fact, I have several times said that I welcome additional data.

As for my supergenius. There are people who know exactly what their nature is. Some know themselves to be soldiers, some know themselves to be mothers or subs or slaves. I also know my nature: I am Rule, supergenius. I have known people who are a lot smarter than I am, but those cannot do what I do; I out think them.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 12/5/2009 9:20:48 AM

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Your postings are counterfeit for their lack of substance. You are a counterfeit "scientist."

If my postings lack substance, why do you respond to them? Can it be that there is plenty of substance in them but that you lack something else, namely the wherewithal to recognize that substance?

I am no ordinary scientist, that is for sure.

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You said there are genetic benefits to inbreeding in small, island populations while simultaneously slandering Jews and Muslims in toto. Seems racist to me. Racism comes in many sly disguises. Yours is not so well hidden behind the phony facade of supergenius and pseudoscience.

Only racists know what racism is. Since you profess to know what racism is, I must conclude that you are a racist. Not so?

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 12/5/2009 11:12:30 AM

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Are you sure it is six times and not five times? Where is your data? What are your sources? Have you factored out economic and class differences? Have you even identified the areas of reference? No, you have not. No, you have no studies. You invent numbers to suit your imagined super genius.

I quote these data from a newspaper article I read some years ago, referring to a scientific article. Jews and Muslims six times more lethal inherited defects than Dutch people and Dutch Antilleans five times as much. There are plenty of other sources indicating a very high incidence of such diseases in various populations named by me in this thread.

You are boring me with your myopic nitpicking. If you are that interested in the matter, then hunt the sources yourself. I am not here to write a scientific article. (I may do so eventually elsewhere, but not here.)

So the area of reference is the Dutch Antillies. A tiny population from which to extrapolate larger generalizations, I think.

There are plenty of other sources named by you in this thread. They should be easily accessible to you then. But all you come up with is a newspaper article you read some years ago. Rhiiiiight!!!

And their inherited defects are lethal. To which lethal alleles exactly are you referring? If they are lethal how are they observed? What is the life time of the phenotypes before they die off?

Oh, are you able to provide assurance that Jews and Muslims are of the same socioeconomic class as the Christians in the population you site? That they have the same nutrition, education and medical care, and that these are not factors in the congenital appearance of "defects." The word "defects" rings a troubling bell. Wasn't that the term used by Hitler?

I do apologize for boring you. It must be difficult being a supergenius as you are to have to tolerate us slow learners.

It must also be annoying to have someone challenge the major premise of your thesis and for you not to be able to provide data or population studies to defend yourself. I doubt your Doctoral Thesis mentors would tolerate that sort of response from you.

You have the option to block me if you wish. I wonder if a supergenius as yourself would stoop to such cowardly recourse.

I plan to be around to remind readers from time to time that by your own admission you have no population studies as a basis for your theories and you fail to discount the impact upon congenital deformaties by environmental factors such as poverty, hunger, disease and lack of education.

I can see no other conclusion but to regard your rant as just another racist pseudoscience unless of course you defend your thesis with a concise statement of its major points, the supporting data, and the discounted factors. Just pretend you are back in Grad School.

Looking forward to reading that.

Vincent

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 12/5/2009 11:16:36 AM

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If my postings lack substance, why do you respond to them? Can it be that there is plenty of substance in them but that you lack something else, namely the wherewithal to recognize that substance?

I am no ordinary scientist, that is for sure.

Only racists know what racism is. Since you profess to know what racism is, I must conclude that you are a racist. Not so?

Now, don't go getting hysterical on us. Calm, cool, and steady as she goes.

All I ask is you account for the data base of your theory and discount the environmental factors.

Hate to see a grown man get upset. Tsk, tsk.

Vincent

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 12/5/2009 11:21:48 AM

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That there is a very high incidence of inherited deleterious alleles among Jews and Muslims is not in dispute; it is an established fact.

Again, you make a dogmatic statement without population studies.

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As for my supergenius. There are people who know exactly what their nature is. Some know themselves to be soldiers, some know themselves to be mothers or subs or slaves. I also know my nature: I am Rule, supergenius. I have known people who are a lot smarter than I am, but those cannot do what I do; I out think them.

This is so funny I will let it stand without comment.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 12/5/2009 11:23:17 AM

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Kirata, if you wish to defend Rule's pseudo science and historical racial slander it is your choice. However, it is embarrassing for you to rely upon a dictionary.

Don't try to smear me with lying accusations about defending pseudu-science and racial slander for calling you on using terms you don't know the meaning of and trying to insist that you're right.

12/4/2009 9:57:11 PM

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The word congenital refers to: a condition present at birth, whether inherited or caused by the environment

12/4/2009 10:29:50 PM

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there is a clear distinction between inherited and congenital disease

And that wasn't the first time, either. The same thing was pointed out earlier in the thread, by tazzygirl. But you just went right on banging your little drum.

I would suggest for your consideration that your options at this point are to post a quote showing me defending pseudo-science and racial slander, apologize for that offensive accusation, or crawl back into the hole where you most certainly belong if you can't do either.

K.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 12/5/2009 11:23:47 AM

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Hmmm I would think it obvious that after 626 post only nuts continue to post to this thread...except for me of course.

Now stop it!!!... you all sound like a bunch of fanatic...listen to me I'm right your wrong... nut jobs.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 12/5/2009 11:54:16 AM

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Kirata, if you wish to defend Rule's pseudo science and historical racial slander it is your choice. However, it is embarrassing for you to rely upon a dictionary.

Don't try to smear me with lying accusations about defending pseudu-science and racial slander for calling you on using terms you don't know the meaning of and trying to insist that you're right.

I referred to Rule's pseudoscience and historical racial slander. If you do not think it is what I say it is all you have to do is disagree. There is no smear involved.

12/4/2009 9:57:11 PM

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The word congenital refers to: a condition present at birth, whether inherited or caused by the environment

12/4/2009 10:29:50 PM

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there is a clear distinction between inherited and congenital disease

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And that wasn't the first time, either. The same thing was pointed out earlier in the thread, by tazzygirl. But you just went right on banging your little drum.

I read the source that tazzygirl provided. It clearly distinguished between inherited and congenital diseases. The reason why there is a distinction is because quite often a fetus with an inherited malformity will be aborted in early stages and will not in fact be a birth.

I pointed this out to Rule. He dismissed the distinction and claimed his use of the term referred only to inherited alleles. By his own admission, he has several times asserted that environmental casues of congenital deformaties are of no consequence and were not discounted from the data base and the population studies of which btw he has none.

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I would suggest for your consideration that your options at this point are to post a quote showing me defending pseudo-science and racial slander, apologize for that offensive accusation, or crawl back into your hole where you belong.

K.

I repeat again, I did not make that accusation. I said you were free to do so if you wished to. I do hope you will go back and look more carefully at the quote at the top of this post and do not allow yourself to be blinded by your anger so we can continue to have a civil exchange. I clearly said if you wish to defend. I did not accuse you of defending anything.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 12/5/2009 11:57:58 AM

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Hmmm I would think it obvious that after 626 post only nuts continue to post to this thread...except for me of course.

Now stop it!!!... you all sound like a bunch of fanatic...listen to me I'm right your wrong... nut jobs.

Butch

Aw, Butch. You spoil all our fun. I'll bet you would swoop in and snatch the mouse away from between the cat's paws. Btw, thanks for adding to our total. We are striving for the record. :)

Vincent

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 12/5/2009 12:43:55 PM

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Hmmm I would think it obvious that after 626 post only nuts continue to post to this thread...except for me of course.

Now stop it!!!... you all sound like a bunch of fanatic...listen to me I'm right your wrong... nut jobs.

lol. Well, you are right in that I am a fanatic nut job.

I find that I cannot remember how this all started. I think, however, that I have presented sufficient arguments to have convinced people that I might know what I am talking about and to perhaps take my hypothesis at least a bit seriously, while I have also shown that a few other people do not know what they are talking about when discussing evolution theory. That is sufficient for me.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 12/5/2009 12:51:22 PM

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Kirata, if you wish to defend Rule's pseudo science and historical racial slander it is your choice. However, it is embarrassing for you to rely upon a dictionary.

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I did not accuse you of defending anything.

The hole it is, then. Have a nice day.

K.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 12/5/2009 3:25:48 PM

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Hmmm I would think it obvious that after 626 post only nuts continue to post to this thread...except for me of course.

Now stop it!!!... you all sound like a bunch of fanatic...listen to me I'm right your wrong... nut jobs.

lol. Well, you are right in that I am a fanatic nut job.

I find that I cannot remember how this all started. I think, however, that I have presented sufficient arguments to have convinced people that I might know what I am talking about and to perhaps take my hypothesis at least a bit seriously, while I have also shown that a few other people do not know what they are talking about when discussing evolution theory. That is sufficient for me.

Drat, I was hoping we would get to post # 666 just for symbolic interest :)

Oh well, it was fun jousting with you, Rule, and exchanging insults. I hope we can do it again sometime. Too bad K got so angry.

Cya

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 12/5/2009 3:31:36 PM

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I was not jousting with you. I did not have fun. I do not recall insulting you. I doubt that Kirata was angry.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 12/5/2009 3:35:46 PM

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dont feed the troll.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 12/5/2009 4:01:48 PM

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 12/5/2009 4:03:42 PM

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Oh well, it was fun jousting with you, Rule, and exchanging insults. I hope we can do it again sometime. Too bad K got so angry.

Cya

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Kirata got angry? I seriously doubt that. At least not from anything said on this thread. Are you sure your not projecting your own anger on others? Maybe you should take a break from the boards and chill out a bit.

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 12/5/2009 4:24:39 PM

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Oh well, it was fun jousting with you, Rule, and exchanging insults. I hope we can do it again sometime. Too bad K got so angry.

Cya

Vincent

Kirata got angry? I seriously doubt that. At least not from anything said on this thread. Are you sure your not projecting your own anger on others? Maybe you should take a break from the boards and chill out a bit.

Well thank you for the unsolicited advice. Very generous of you

I am happy to learn Kirata is not angry. Thank you very much (Elvis leaving the building)

Jeez, we may get to #666 yet. Just a few more meaningless comments like yours will do it.

Vincent

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RE: Believer(s) of god are plague to this world. - 12/6/2009 5:56:44 AM

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Jeez, we may get to #666 yet. Just a few more meaningless comments like yours will do it.

Vincent

Aww thanks, I have been studying your posts and I think I am getting the hang of it. Of course I will never be the King, like you, but I try my best.

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