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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 11:05:25 AM   
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(Oh I yearn for the days when holly's delicate constructive subtlety would assassinate without the victim even knowing he was dead).
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Yes you indeed! (Although to be fair you remain the undisputed queen of the bon mot).

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 11:07:25 AM   
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(Oh I yearn for the days when holly's delicate constructive subtlety would assassinate without the victim even knowing he was dead).
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Yes you indeed! (Although to be fair you remain the undisputed queen of the bon mot).

if that is anything like a Bon Bon...i really don't care for chocolate.
Can we talk Twinkie?




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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 11:11:13 AM   
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Hmmm. Where are we thinking of putting this Twinkie of which you speak?   

Does subsequent nibbling come into the equation?


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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 11:12:03 AM   
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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 11:13:20 AM   
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Hmmm. Where are we thinking of putting this Twinkie of which you speak?   

Does subsequent nibbling come into the equation?


i have PLENTY of room in my bra........<evil grin>


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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 11:17:23 AM   
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It's not always laziness to use a scooter, just because you're capable of walking doesn't mean every other fat person out there is. Nor does it mean they won't walk because they're fat...


Point taken, and properly chastised, my apologies.

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 11:20:03 AM   
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Hmmm. Where are we thinking of putting this Twinkie of which you speak?   

Does subsequent nibbling come into the equation?


i have PLENTY of room in my bra........<evil grin>




Oh bugger 


I was thinking more along the Mars bar, Mick Jagger and Marianne Faithfull line.



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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 11:20:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		And where is it written that doms don't get overweight. I'm in my mid 50's at a point where the metabolism is nowhere near what it was in my 20's. To be fashionably thin, I would need to be hungry all the time, to never be able to indulge. And I have to tell you, unfed people get bitchy.

Besides, me being thin would mean to more baking, no more bread, no pasta, no potatoes, no ice cream, chocolate, alcohol. The palate is one of the longest lasting pleasures of the flesh, it lasts well into old age when physical infirmity in every other sense is common. Why do I want to strip all pleasures from my life?

Plus if he didn't get his homemade pies, pancakes, biscuits, cookies etc he wouldn't be so happy either.



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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 11:20:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Umm folks just as a really silly question -- while the OP is a little bias to females, when males are just as likely to be overweight nowadays -- do you seriously believe people don't look differently at fat people? People here don't seem that naive.

IF you are overweight --- just like if you smoke cigarettes nowadays -- you know its not healthy for you to be so. So the idea you don't on some level take care of yourself IS TRUE. You either eat what you shouldn't or consume too much or don't exercise (which is more of what people do than the former). Airlines are starting to make it an issue, and healthcare.
Appearances do matter and people speculate -- especially with all the advertising in what it takes to lose weight (you need to eat healthy or consume less and exercise more). Which for MOST PEOPLE is true. They just don't. I am not saying its an easy thing to do but it is a choice. I am not saying that grocery stores etc are against doing that -- but in the end its still a choice. I am not saying there aren't other circumstances that may make it SEEM impossible feat to accomplish -- but its still a choice.

Yes a SMALL portion of overweight people is due to reasons beyond their control. BUT MOST people who are overweight are due to them choosing to not eat healthy or choose to consume too much or choose not to exericise as they should.

In this day and age, just like smoking cigarette, its usually a choice (not one most will admit to without making some kind of excuse) people make because changing the way you do something is very hard and its not an instantaneous concept and yes, cravings are involved that people have to overcome and then there is the emotional issues where people choose to not address issues.

I am not saying its wrong -- but it is fact -- people choose to be overweight and then when someone mentions they have a choice, people get all up in arms because how dare they imply people are judged on their appearance. Sorry folks, people will ALWAYS be judged on their appearance. You have a choice -- admit yes i choose to be fat and overweight (whether you are or are not working on it) or continue to be naive and pretend that your playing field is not limited due to being overweigt.

I am overweight right now, i admit its my own choices that have gotten me here -- my choices in food, portions and lacking of exercising as i should and know how to do.) I also know that my choices in the Men who will be interested in me want someone height and weight proportionate and right now i am not. On this board i continuously see the regulars spout personal responsibility and accountability but in discussions regarding this subject suddenly its not something they demand of people.

Its hard folks, everyone knows it. But just like smoking cigarettes its a choice for MOST. Yes there are a select FEW who have uncontrollable medical issues that may force them to gain weight because of certain reasons, but therw are also people who say well i gain weight due to a pill i have to take due to an issue that more than likely will go away if i lost weight, becuase they were already overweight when they had to start taking the pill.

Accountability and personal responsibility is a must. And being overweight will be become less and less acceptable in our society. You can choose to be overweight, but for MOST people it is a choice because they are choosing not to change to achieve a different result. Whether its right or wrong, that's exactly what it is.

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 11:21:01 AM   
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Maybe it got lost in the mail............


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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 11:22:21 AM   
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Hmmm. Where are we thinking of putting this Twinkie of which you speak?   

Does subsequent nibbling come into the equation?


i have PLENTY of room in my bra........<evil grin>




Oh bugger 


I was thinking more along the Mars bar, Mick Jagger and Marianne Faithfull line.





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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 11:26:42 AM   
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On this board i continuously see the regulars spout personal responsibility and accountability but in discussions regarding this subject suddenly its not something they demand of people.


Angel...i take personal responsibility for myself. I do not and cannot demand it of others. That is why it is called PERSONAL responsibility.


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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 11:29:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		But you expect others to take personal responsibility for their actions, i have seen you do so in discussions holly. Why is this any different? There are many discussions where you have pretty much stated as well as many others who post regularly that people need to take personal responsibility and accountibilty for themselves and their actions and choices. Again why would this be different?

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 11:29:35 AM   
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Angel, my biggest problem with that approach is it carries an implicit assumption that the not-fat people do not have issues related to taking care of themselves & are thus in some position to get all sanctimonious about self-care (not saying this applies to you, just the message that is carried in this 'fat is obvious lack of self-care' thinking) . . . . . .

& of course, plenty of not-fat people are doing lousy jobs caring for self. Being skinny does not get in the way of being a (legal or illegal) drug addict, an abuser, or some other massive dysfunctionality . . . .

In fact, knowing this context, fat people can be seen as easy pickings to get the focus off of the skinny people with self-control & self-care issues . . . . . .

&, yes, that line of thinking also ignores that there are plenty of overweight people who are in better physical condition than plenty of people with 'normal body masses' but who lead sedentary lives & eat crap, but stay socially appropriately slender . . . . .

The science on this issue is leaning towards fitness matters more than outright body mass & it's possible to be very healthy & overweight . . . . . . & to be relatively unfit but with a socially acceptable body size . . . . . . The fit but fat one will probably outsurvive the skinny but unfit one, actuarially speaking . . . . . .

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 11:33:35 AM   
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I Agree Rex I suggest you take your thinning hair line on up the road. (throws you a pez dispenser full of Viagra for the road) yes you are welcome scoot it along now cowboy.


Master AnimusRex is yummylicious.  you could do far worse than using him as a model on how to be a dominant man.

And, for the record, for many of us here, sex starts in the mind, and spirals out to the body.  sex for you seems to start in the body... an exact mismatch.  i, for one, if given a choice, would fall to my knees before Master AnimusRex, without the viagra, long before i would before an immature, shallow male like yourself.

and i say these things with the deepest of respect... for Master AnimusRex



I have yet to read the rest of this thread.  I'm not sure that I will actually.  I will say that respect for one's body is important.  That is where I will draw the line in agreeing with the OP.  The rest of the opinions are accurate.  You can always change your physical appearance but it is very difficult to change the "inner" you.  If the "inner" you is a horse's ass well then it doesn't really matter what the outside is. 

I must add that I belong to Master AnimusRex.  Now I must waddle over to Him and ask Him if it is ok for me to post this.

kim

P.S.  I'm sorry what is viagra?  There is none of that in this house.

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 11:34:54 AM   
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Accountability and personal responsibility and being overweight will be become less and less acceptable in our society.

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I'm not so sure angel.

I'm far too overweight and I smoke far too much (and I'm far too old) for my own good but I quite definitely enjoy life enormously and I don't feel unacceptable in society.

The ones I feel are at risk of becoming less acceptable are the social police, the politically correct ones who tell us what's good for us and how we should behave. It's been a long time coming, but I begin to see signs that their days might be numbered, that the silent majority is pissed off at being lectured and protected so often. About time too from my perspective.


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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 11:36:47 AM   
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Oh bugger 


I was thinking more along the Mars bar, Mick Jagger and Marianne Faithfull line.






Sorry holls - maybe a UK thing.

http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/marsbar.asp

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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 11:37:15 AM   
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I Agree Rex I suggest you take your thinning hair line on up the road. (throws you a pez dispenser full of Viagra for the road) yes you are welcome scoot it along now cowboy.


Master AnimusRex is yummylicious.  you could do far worse than using him as a model on how to be a dominant man.

And, for the record, for many of us here, sex starts in the mind, and spirals out to the body.  sex for you seems to start in the body... an exact mismatch.  i, for one, if given a choice, would fall to my knees before Master AnimusRex, without the viagra, long before i would before an immature, shallow male like yourself.

and i say these things with the deepest of respect... for Master AnimusRex



I have yet to read the rest of this thread.  I'm not sure that I will actually.  I will say that respect for one's body is important.  That is where I will draw the line in agreeing with the OP.  The rest of the opinions are accurate.  You can always change your physical appearance but it is very difficult to change the "inner" you.  If the "inner" you is a horse's ass well then it doesn't really matter what the outside is. 

I must add that I belong to Master AnimusRex.  Now I must waddle over to Him and ask Him if it is ok for me to post this.

kim

P.S.  I'm sorry what is viagra?  There is none of that in this house.



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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 11:39:49 AM   
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But you expect others to take personal responsibility for their actions, i have seen you do so in discussions holly. Why is this any different? There are many discussions where you have pretty much stated as well as many others who post regularly that people need to take personal responsibility and accountibilty for themselves and their actions and choices. Again why would this be different?
i do expect it. But demand? Not a chance.

Demanding anything gets a negative result.

And you are right about expectations. I have a tendency to expect from others what i expect from myself. Wanna take a guess on how well that works out?




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RE: IfYouAreOverWeightHowDoYouExpectaDomToBelieveYouCan... - 10/17/2009 11:42:07 AM   
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Oh bugger 


I was thinking more along the Mars bar, Mick Jagger and Marianne Faithfull line.






Sorry holls - maybe a UK thing.

http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/marsbar.asp
well...dayyyy-um!

And i thought the cream filling in a TWINKIE was good.


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