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RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news - 10/18/2009 11:19:07 PM   
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Does anyone remember reading about this?

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/11-the-media-can-legally-lie/



Yes, and the scary part was those companies that filed amicus briefs on behalf of Fox included some major media corporations like Gannett, which owns USA Today.






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RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news - 10/18/2009 11:28:17 PM   
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I thought this was going to be a nothing little bit of nothing.  They run something up the flagpole to see who salutes, their own side blows raspberry's at it, people of my outlook toss a few tomatoes, the whole thing gets dropped.  It was a bad idea. 

Instead we get this

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Appearing on ABC's "This Week," senior Obama adviser David Axelrod said Fox News shouldn't be treated as a news organization. "And the bigger thing is that other news organizations, like yours, ought not to treat them that way, and we're not going to treat them that way," he said.



Wow.  I mean, WOW!  ...  I'm just a little stunned that an advisor to the President of the United States said something like that on television.  That is one hell of a statement.  The White House suddenly gets authority to decide which major media outlets are legitimate?  That's not a problem?  Give it a sec before searching out that essential "Bush did "this!" response.  They get to define a news organization under WHAT authority, exactly??? 

It isn't just a dangerous escalation with Fox that they've decided to go with either.  A threat could very easily be taken from Axelrod's words about what the other networks ought to do.  Almost a whisper of "with us or against us," towards our fellow Americans.  What happens when those other networks realize that half the country don't hang on President Obama's every word, and decide they don't want to cede half the market to the competition?  Or just decide that No, the President doesn't get to run their newsrooms?  Not to mention that hungry young journalists who want to be the next Woodward and Bernstein get a great big hard-on when threatened?  What the fuck are they thinking in this administration???  With all their unresolved crooked comnections and unvetted appointees?  Do they really want to go there!?!?!?!



Yeah, I see all of that pretty much the same way. I'm just shaking my head here, wondering who the fuck is in command of that Titanic. If the administration really feels that it's time to go toe to toe with Faux News, there are 100 ways of going about it - and about 95 of them would be smarter, smoother, more likely to produce a favorable result, and less amateurishly, clumsily self-destructive than this one. This is just dumb. Whose idea was this? Who's managing this issue for the white house? Who's writing these idiotic, Students for a Democratic Society-inspired talking points? Is this Valerie Jarret at work? I'm shocked at the amateurish tactics being employed here. Are there no grownups attending these meetings?


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RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news - 10/18/2009 11:41:04 PM   
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Yeah, I see all of that pretty much the same way. I'm just shaking my head here, wondering who the fuck is in command of that Titanic. If the administration really feels that it's time to go toe to toe with Faux News, there are 100 ways of going about it - and about 95 of them would be smarter, smoother, more likely to produce a favorable result, and less amateurishly, clumsily self-destructive than this one. This is just dumb. Whose idea was this? Who's managing this issue for the white house? Who's writing these idiotic, Students for a Democratic Society-inspired talking points? Is this Valerie Jarret at work? I'm shocked at the amateurish tactics being employed here. Are there no grownups attending these meetings?



Myself, I applaud it.

You yourself deride the network as Faux News.

Why shouldn't the White House acknowledge the same?

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RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news - 10/18/2009 11:58:36 PM   
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Yeah, I see all of that pretty much the same way. I'm just shaking my head here, wondering who the fuck is in command of that Titanic. If the administration really feels that it's time to go toe to toe with Faux News, there are 100 ways of going about it - and about 95 of them would be smarter, smoother, more likely to produce a favorable result, and less amateurishly, clumsily self-destructive than this one. This is just dumb. Whose idea was this? Who's managing this issue for the white house? Who's writing these idiotic, Students for a Democratic Society-inspired talking points? Is this Valerie Jarret at work? I'm shocked at the amateurish tactics being employed here. Are there no grownups attending these meetings?



Myself, I applaud it.

You yourself deride the network as Faux News.

Why shouldn't the White House acknowledge the same?



It's more the execution than the concept. They seem to be absolutely in love with the idea of cutting their own throats. They just can't seem to get enough of it. It's too late and I'm too tired to go into a lot of detail right now, but trying to undercut Faux by suggesting that other news agencies blackball them is insane. It's asking for trouble - hell, it's pleading for this to blow up in their faces. I'm reminded of a Jack London quote, from "White Fang" I believe.... something to the effect that the man who expects his dog to help defend him against wolves should keep in mind that the dog has certain alliances with the wolf that go back much further than his alliance with the man. This looks to be foolishly conceived and executed, and just smacks of the amateurish arrogance that has come to characterize this white house's tactics since they day they took office.


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RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news - 10/19/2009 12:10:25 AM   
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I would take the opposite opinion.

They need to take on Fox because it has become the conservative flagship.

Now it would be one thing if the network was the fair and balanced news source they claim to be, even with a conservative tilt.

But they openly, consistently, and constantly attack Obama, Democrats, and anything they perceive as liberal with exaggerations, innuendo, and outright fabrications.

This is not a news network, this is the television counterpart to the National Enquirer.

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RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news - 10/19/2009 12:59:52 AM   
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I would take the opposite opinion.

They need to take on Fox because it has become the conservative flagship.

Now it would be one thing if the network was the fair and balanced news source they claim to be, even with a conservative tilt.

But they openly, consistently, and constantly attack Obama, Democrats, and anything they perceive as liberal with exaggerations, innuendo, and outright fabrications.

This is not a news network, this is the television counterpart to the National Enquirer.



I completely agree with all of that, but I disagree with the way they're apparently going about it. Don't lower yourself to their level (or even below it). Fight smart. Use the inherent advantage of the bully pulpit; play to your strengths rather than to theirs.

And for pete's sake, do not appeal to other news agencies to help you ostracize them. You can say that sort of thing to David Gregory or Tom Brokaw, but if you say it to Jeff Zucker (president and CEO of NBC), the degree to which he may agree with you is nothing compared to the degree to which he feels his interests are threatened by the foundational principle of the entire concept... "first they came for Rupert Murdoch, but I said nothing because i was not Rupert Murdoch..."

And it's going to blow up in your face. This is clumsy, ill-conceived, and just plain dumb, in my opinion.

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RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news - 10/19/2009 3:21:27 AM   
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Kitten, I'm so sorry to say, that your disregard for the freedom of the speech doesn't surprise me at all.  That's a shame.  It's a rare and precious thing.


I'm so sorry to say, that your disergard for my freedom of speech doesn't surprise me at all. That's a shame. It's a rare and precious thing.  

My right to criticise Fox News is equal to their right to broadcast untruths and manipulations to those people that are naive and stupid enough to believe them.

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RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news - 10/19/2009 3:36:54 AM   
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I can't wait to see what happens after The Mummy Murdoch finally crumbles into dust and the hungrey "King Lear Daughter-esque" corporate heirs to the throne start pulling everything apart like the Skeksis in Dark Crystal.

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RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news - 10/19/2009 4:09:18 AM   
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I can't wait to see what happens after The Mummy Murdoch finally crumbles into dust and the hungrey "King Lear Daughter-esque" corporate heirs to the throne start pulling everything apart like the Skeksis in Dark Crystal.


I hear she's a communist. It should be interesting: will local conservatives still worship at the altar of Faux once their leader has carked it and the scepter has been passed to his neo-Maoist mate? Watch this page :-) .

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RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news - 10/19/2009 4:19:13 AM   
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needs more Boobage for a Fox headline, honeybunch!

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RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news - 10/19/2009 4:20:14 AM   
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RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news - 10/19/2009 4:21:23 AM   
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Wow. I mean, WOW! ... I'm just a little stunned that an advisor to the President of the United States said something like that on television. That is one hell of a statement. The White House suddenly gets authority to decide which major media outlets are legitimate? That's not a problem? Give it a sec before searching out that essential "Bush did "this!" response. They get to define a news organization under WHAT authority, exactly???  ORIGINAL: TheHeretic



They get to define a news organization under the first amendment of the constitution. Freedom of speech does not end once one is elected to government office or works for a sitting administration. What has been overlooked in this thread it seems is that the same white house advisers who criticized Fox News said they would continue to book white house insiders on their shows.
http://news.aol.com/article/white-house-advisers-say-fox-news-is-not/722055

There is no black list, there is no official effort to stop Fox News. There is the simple calling of "Bullshit" from the administration. In this case, I think that call is pretty well deserved.

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RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news - 10/19/2009 4:26:14 AM   
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so Kitten is now a Designing Woman...

and her name is...

Delta Burqua!


bwahhh hawww hawww!

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RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news - 10/19/2009 5:59:07 AM   
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My first repsonse to this was,  what a bloody stupid thing to do.... after a night of pondering a navel... I still think its a bloody stupid thing to do.
This one is another one thats going to be interesting to watch.


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RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news - 10/19/2009 6:06:42 AM   
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Fox News is one of the very few news organizations which isn't openly and gleefully in bed with this administration.

More than that, the news media is supposed to be antagonistic towards the government, or they should at least act with a degree of suspicion towards it. They're a part of the natural balance of power that keeps the nation on an even keel. Imagine if Nixon had had a lap dog media such as Obama enjoys.

Obama's punk ass demands that every news reporter and commentator lick his scrotum is childish to the extreme, worse than Nixonian because even Dick Nixon didn't dare go this far, so far as the press is concerned.






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RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news - 10/19/2009 6:11:54 AM   
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I have to admit I doubt we'll ever see a "Frost versus Obama".



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RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news - 10/19/2009 6:13:14 AM   
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Fox News is one of the very few news organizations which isn't openly and gleefully in bed with this administration.



Since when? Because, up until the last election, Fox was very much letting Bush & Co screw it openly, and quite whoreishly, wasn't it   ?

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RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news - 10/19/2009 6:15:51 AM   
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Obama's punk ass demands that every news reporter and commentator lick his scrotum is childish to the extreme,

The day that happens Im sneaking into the US


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RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news - 10/19/2009 6:18:13 AM   
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Obama's punk ass demands that every news reporter and commentator lick his scrotum is childish to the extreme, worse than Nixonian because even Dick Nixon didn't dare go this far, so far as the press is concerned.




Such comments add so much to our understanding of the events of our nation. I must have missed the scrotum licking videos. Can you give me a link? I'm sure they're on youtube somewhere.


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RE: White House advisers say Fox News is not news - 10/19/2009 6:42:12 AM   
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When you make things up, its now called news instead of fiction?

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During their appeal, FOX asserted that there are no written rules against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on public airwaves. Fox attorneys did not dispute Akre’s claim that they pressured her to broadcast a false story, they simply maintained that it was their right to do so. After the appeal verdict WTVT general manager Bob Linger commented, “It’s vindication for WTVT, and we’re very pleased… It’s the case we’ve been making for two years. She never had a legal claim.”


http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/11-the-media-can-legally-lie/

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