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RE: Kinksters & Their Body Size, Diet, & Fitness - 11/11/2009 8:36:29 AM   
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As Mark indicated, the real road to hell is paved with twinkies lol.


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RE: Kinksters & Their Body Size, Diet, & Fitness - 11/11/2009 9:29:18 AM   
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One of the author's basic theses is that 'being fat' can have all kinds of 'positive' benefits for the fat & / or eating disordered person
Kia...as one who has worked with children with eating disorders, i feel confident in saying the benefits are few and far between and many do not survive to enjoy them


I really want to comment on this, because I think that it is a fundamental "disconnect" in our culture, especially for those individuals who have -never- been fat. No matter how many fat people you see, or work with, or anything else, if you've never -been- fat... not just chunky because of a year of bad circumstances and then back to a weight/height ratio in line with normal limits, but REALLY fat... there just isn't any way to explain what Kia contributed.

The thing is, we DO get a 'benefit' out of these behaviors, including obesity and all of the things that go along with it. Other people may not see them as "benefits" -- but for some of us, the "benefits" of obesity include attention (negative attention is still attention); comfort; protection; insulation; nurturing of our rebellions; a chance to strike out/back at someone we disagree with; freedom from responsibility; lowered expectations; permission to fail (and this is HUGE for some folks who feel pushed to succeed at any cost); nurturing (especially when our size causes ancillary health issues); permission to -feel- what we're feeling (especially when we're sad or lonely and people say "but you're so pretty... what business do you have being sad or lonely?")... I'm betting folks here can think of a lot more.

The thing is, most of us don't really know what it is that we're getting out of being fat -- but it's a known psychological reality that, if a person is repeating a behavior, whether or not that behavior appears "helpful" from the outside, that person is getting -SOMETHING- xhe wants or needs from the behavior. Xhe is experiencing some "benefit" from continuing to be and do what xhe's being and doing.

For me, it took a long time, but I finally figured out what I was getting out of being fat... I was "sticking it" to my AROC, nagging, former-fashion-model-and-Zigfield-Girl mother with every bit of rebellious, chaotic, zeal that I could muster. Every bite of "forbidden" food... every time I stuffed myself beyond comfort and then refused to get off my butt and exercise that was trashing my body was because, for most of my life, I've been more interested in proving her WRONG about how I should look, eat, etc., than what trying to prove it was costing me -- and what's even more scary is that it was such an automatic thing that, even when she'd been dead for 10 years, I was -still- getting a perverse kind of pride out of doing what I damned well pleased, regardless of the implications.

It took me -years- of digging and denying, and blaming my health, my drugs... in fact, blaming EVERYTHING but my own culpability and my need to be RIGHT and for her to be WRONG... and for everyone who tried to inform me, help me, or otherwise show me what I was doing to myself, I offer heartfelt apologies, because even though I -did- listen, and I learned a LOT, and I knew the right things and wrong things to do to get myself into a healthier place, frankly, every time you opened your mouth, I saw/heard my mom... so even though I knew the right things to do, frankly I just wasn't going to do them, because "SHE was not going to run MY life". It took me forever to realize that, by continuing to fight this fight with a long-deceased opponent, she WAS running my life... I'd given her power, beyond life itself, to allow her words and thoughts the strength to keep me from doing rational, sane, healthy things for my own well-being... and that's just scary-sad.

So how did I get past it? I'm not past it. I'm having to go, day-by-day, through all of the arguments with myself and the profound desire to not let her "win"... and to realize that, for years now, the ONLY person who has been suffering from my obsession with proving her wrong is -me-... and, what's even more sad is that, by rebelling at the level that I did, I may actually have -done- enough damage to make sure that she is going to be -right-... I'm not going to live as long or as healthfully as I would have if I'd at least moderately followed my mom's recommendations instead of fighting -quite- so hard. There's damage now that won't heal -- neurological damage, organ damage... and now I'm just going to have to make do with what I have, and do the best that I can to have the life that I want to live -- and it's a battle every day, because after 47 years of fighting, it feels, in some ways, like a failure to just "give up" and start taking a serious look at doing at least some of the things that she harped about for years.

I want everyone to understand, here, that I am NOT blaming my mom for my weight issues. I -know-, now, who is responsible for where I am, and that person is -me-. I know what got me here, and for right now, I've had success, for today, in turning myself into more self-productive directions. I know, though, that I'm inclined to using, and then defending, any one of a zillion excuses to allow me to fall back into my familiar, obstructionist patterns, even though I -know-, on an intellectual level (and I'm a pretty smart cookie, so intellectual knowledge is not something to sneeze at), that I'm only hurting myself. That probably isn't going to stop it from happening. The ONLY thing, for me, that stopped it for today was reminding myself of what I -really- wanted for my life, and then taking a minute, before I even put my feet on the floor in the morning, to take careful stock of my plans and see whether what I was thinking about -doing- was going to move me closer or further from what I really -do- want for my life.

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RE: Kinksters & Their Body Size, Diet, & Fitness - 11/11/2009 10:56:40 AM   
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As Mark indicated, the real road to hell is paved with twinkies lol.


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Ah, but do Twinkies love you?

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RE: Kinksters & Their Body Size, Diet, & Fitness - 11/11/2009 10:57:38 AM   
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As Mark indicated, the real road to hell is paved with twinkies lol.


<---loves Twinkies


Ah, but do Twinkies love you?



Twinkies will be the one thing that manages to survive a world wide disaster I'm sure of it.

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RE: Kinksters & Their Body Size, Diet, & Fitness - 11/11/2009 11:17:30 AM   
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True, impy.

lol, now I'm thinking of Zombieland, the movie.... Woody Harrelson's character was jonesing for Twinkies so bad.

Now, THAT'S what cravings are about. It's an addiction.


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RE: Kinksters & Their Body Size, Diet, & Fitness - 11/11/2009 11:25:43 AM   
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As Mark indicated, the real road to hell is paved with twinkies lol.


<---loves Twinkies


Ah, but do Twinkies love you?
they must...they plant themselves on my hips and do not want to leave


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RE: Kinksters & Their Body Size, Diet, & Fitness - 11/11/2009 1:08:10 PM   
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Excellent, Calla, thanks!

Calla did a great job of getting at what I'm trying to convey, in the part I quoted below . . . . .

Holly, I'm saying that if one sticks to the myth that over-eating, mis-eating, being over-weight, et al, are unremittingly 'bad' & 'negative' behaviors, some problems arise right there in changing those behaviors.

Amongst other things, if over-eating & under-exercising are 'absolute bads', then everyone who engages in those is in danger of psychologically being 'absolutely bad'. I don't know about you, but most people I've ever met see themselves as 'good people' & will fight, tooth & claw, to get away from being painted as 'bad' or making consistently 'bad' choices . ... .

(One of the most helpful things my therapist ever told me was that everyone acts from good intentions, & that if one wants to connect with the other that recognition about intent is a crucial bridge. That insight really helped me see the indignant small child in everyone, stomping his/her foot & saying "I'm good!" at accusations. A kernel lying at the core of much defensiveness, for instance . . . . )

Another problem, an inherent logic error, is in the concept of over-eating & under-exercising as being 'omnipresently dysfunctional' is that, if one postulates over-eating & under-exercising as being so, then why would anyone but the extremely dysfunctional ever engage in over eating & under exercising? & if one did, since every aspect of the behaviors is by definition damaging, then the behaviors for most would be pretty easy to shift.

My experience is that positive rewards are a much better motivator than negative ones; for instance, employers no longer beat employees (non-consensually) because money & words of praise & other positive inducements are far more powerful. If it was otherwise, non-consensual slavery, serfdom, & similar would have won the economic battle for efficiency & productivity improvements . . . . . But I sidetrack. Easily.

& if the 'positive bennies' people are deriving from their weight-related behaviors are accounted for, then change is easier because other things (other bennies) can be brought into the picture to balance out that 'missing benefit of over-eating / under-exercising' . . . . .

& delayed gratification does not seem to be much of a motivator for maintaining 'normal body size' for 2/3s of the US population; they've clearly chosen bad health in the future & immediate short-term 'benefits' of over-eating / under-exercising rather than the other way . .. . . So, clearly to me, those appeals have limited impact (the 'you're gonna die young & sick' arguments) . . . .

I've personally found it very powerful & effective to help people see how they are indeed meeting 'other' needs (emotional infill, focusing social attention on self, safety, etc) with the food & weight, & that this has helped people to recognize these psychological mechanisms . . . . . . & the first step to changing something is recognizing it, or, at least, that's what's worked for me ... . .

I hope I have clarified adequately, but please feel free to ask me to amplify further . . .. . . . &, I actually do have more to add to this discussion about over-weight (& related behaviors, attitudes, etc) being 'good' or 'bad', but it's a longer piece about the history of body size & appearance & attractiveness.

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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

One of the author's basic theses is that 'being fat' can have all kinds of 'positive' benefits for the fat & / or eating disordered person
Kia...as one who has worked with children with eating disorders, i feel confident in saying the benefits are few and far between and many do not survive to enjoy them


I really want to comment on this, because I think that it is a fundamental "disconnect" in our culture, especially for those individuals who have -never- been fat. No matter how many fat people you see, or work with, or anything else, if you've never -been- fat... not just chunky because of a year of bad circumstances and then back to a weight/height ratio in line with normal limits, but REALLY fat... there just isn't any way to explain what Kia contributed.

The thing is, we DO get a 'benefit' out of these behaviors, including obesity and all of the things that go along with it. Other people may not see them as "benefits" -- but for some of us, the "benefits" of obesity include attention (negative attention is still attention); comfort; protection; insulation; nurturing of our rebellions; a chance to strike out/back at someone we disagree with; freedom from responsibility; lowered expectations; permission to fail (and this is HUGE for some folks who feel pushed to succeed at any cost); nurturing (especially when our size causes ancillary health issues); permission to -feel- what we're feeling (especially when we're sad or lonely and people say "but you're so pretty... what business do you have being sad or lonely?")... I'm betting folks here can think of a lot more...


& Level?

Personally, I'm of the opinion that how much people eat & exercise has way more to do with weight than the what's of their diets. (Note carefully that diet composition does have significance, I just think that in the overall scheme of over-weight, specifically, the key issue is total caloric intake & output thru exercise. & there are clear synergistic effects between quality of nutritional intake & energy levels & related. There's also a lot of individual variation in metabolism & perception, both, just to make it all deliciously more complicated . .. . )

If I was gonna bash any 'modern, non-evolutionary evil' as being a significant contributor to the obesity epidemic in the industrialized wealthy countries I'd pick on mechanized transport (especially the individually owned & operated automobile, en masse), & the shift from +90% of the population walking dozens of miles every day, on average, prior to the 20th century, to the modern condition of having machines convey us about with minimal muscular energy expenditure, but that's a subject for another post in this thread.

& not a particularly popular idea, I'm sure. *shrugs*

But, anyways, I don't mind people posting about their different eating preferences, diets, nutritional theories they like, & all that in this thread . . . . . I myself am sympathetic to many of the various discussions about diet. & there's so many. In addition to the ones y'all have been discussing: traditional Mediterranean, trad. Japanese, etc other ethnic traditions; macrobiotic, vegetarian, vegan, lol, plain old hippie style eating (whole grains, lots of beans, nuts, seeds, some meat, lots of veggies & fruit, little processed food, sweets made with minimal sugar & the aforementioned whole natural everything, hodge-podge of weird ethnic foods, etc etc . .. . ); & many more . .. ..

My thought with this thread was to provide a place where kinksters could put all their hard-earned experience & knowledge & etc about their bodies & diets, rather than 'wasting' all that in the various 'hating on fat people' threads . .. . . & that's exactly what y'all started to do . .. . .

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RE: Kinksters & Their Body Size, Diet, & Fitness - 11/11/2009 1:53:44 PM   
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~~FR~~  Musings lol   I fully believe that people have to be knowledgeable as to eating and exercise but more so they have to know how their body reacts to certain foods or exercise in order to achieve success at losing weight and getting in shape but even more so they have to make a decision and do it and maintain what they do.   Every "diet" plan i have reviewed and learned that has a beginning to maintenance approach all start off differently but the ULTIMATE maintenance is make healthy choices, watch your intake, portion control and keep sugar to a bare minimum. 

So to me, i really see no issue with people who choose to investigate certain ways of eating, low-fat, low carb, calorie in and calorie out.   In the beginning you have to find something you can stick with to get over that initial hurdle which is usually a big weight loss due to changes in eating, starting to move and drinking water, and sustain you through the 1/2 pound weeks or the weeks where you look like you have gained, a plan of eating that will allow you to see results on your body versus having a love-hate, justifiable homicide relationship with the numbers on the scale.  For me -- low fat or calorie in and out doesn't work, neither does just eating what i want and portioning out.   My MENTALITY and EMOTIONAL structure with food doesn't allow me to succeed in that.   Low carb has always been a success for me, WHEN I CHOOSE TO DO IT, otherwise i fall back into my bad habits.   When you choose a plan, you have to choose a plan you are willing to adjust to use through your life, not just to lose weight.   You have to learn and know that way of eating so thoroughly so when maintenance hits and you no longer losing weight you don't start in the other direction but you allow the plan to WORK FOR YOU to maintain instead of being discarded once the work is done so to speak.   Most people i know and one huge reason people gain weight back is due to them not making a lifestyle choice but making a diet choice.   If you find something that works for you AND you LIKE, then its wise to learn it inside and out so you know as much information that you can becuase in the end --- only you can utilize your knowledge of the way of eating AND more so of your body, to create a healthy way of eating for the rest of your life so you can indulge here and there.  Diet plans should be seen as blue prints so to speak of the foundation, and as you continue with the plan, you start filling things here and there in what works, what doesn't, what needs revising, what needs eliminating, what's new and how does it effect the whole. 

I hate low-fat, so i know that would never work for me.  I suck at counting calories nor do i have time, so that also doesn't work for me.  I know that low-fat items = high added sugar items - which my body doesn't appreciate well okay it appreciates it to much because all the excess sugar eventually becomes fat.  I know low carb items usually mean higher fat items which means i need to watch what kind.  I know there are good and bad of everything thing with regard to carbs, fats, etc.  I know my body LOVES weights, and i know my knees hate the treadmill.  I know i can't focus on the numbers of the scale all the time because the way my body builds muscle effects the accurate reflection of fat loss. 

All in all, learning who you are physically and with regard to the concepts of food and exercise etc and then APPLYING what you know (this is where mostly my issues are), is the key.  If KNOWLEDGE were numbers on a scale, i would be in the negative numbers lol.  But unfortunately, the knowledge only works if you apply it and work it day after day.

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RE: Kinksters & Their Body Size, Diet, & Fitness - 11/11/2009 5:26:52 PM   
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FR, after continuing read thru

Before I post my essay-ish piece on the history of appearance & body size, this (excerpted) article is full of useful detail to help expand the mind-set of what humans have found attractive, over time & geography. &, also, some of the extremes they'll go to in pursuit of these ideals . . .. .

Frequently discussions of body size et al can get tainted by rather bizarre assertions of what is 'naturally' attractive. As far as biology & anthropology are concerned the only strongly correlated attributes that have cross-cultural & -temporal consistency as being perceived as attractive are youth, health & a certain physical prettiness defined as more-symmetrical features. Desires for body size, shape, & etc have varied a great deal from culture to culture, location to location, & over time . . ... . & notions of what constitutes healthy have & continue to vary just as much, if not more so . . .. . .

In Mauritania, Seeking to End an Overfed Ideal
By SHARON LaFRANIERE Published: July 4, 2007 NYTimes

...this is the Islamic Republic of Mauritania, the mirror opposite of the West on questions of women's weight. To men here, fat is sexy. And in this patriarchal region, many Mauritanian women do everything possible — and have everything possible done to them — to put on pounds.

Now Mauritania's government is out to change that. In recent years, television commercials and official pronouncements have promoted a new message: being fat leads to diabetes, heart problems, high blood pressure and other woes. The joggers outside the Olympic stadium testify to their impact: Until lately, a Mauritanian woman in jogging shoes was roughly as common as a camel in stiletto heels.

But in other respects, the message faces an uphill run. A 2001 government survey of 68,000 women found that one in five between ages 15 and 49 had been deliberately overfed. And nearly 70 percent — and even more among teenagers — said they did not regret it.

...Other cultures prize corpulent women. But Mauritania may be unique in the lengths it has gone to achieve its vision of female beauty. For decades, the Mauritanian version of a Western teenager's crash diet was a crash feeding program, devised to create girls obese enough to display family wealth and epitomize the Mauritanian ideal. Centuries-old poems glorified women immobilized by fat, moving so slowly they seemed to stand still, unable to hoist themselves onto camels without the aid of men's willing hands.

Girls as young as 5 and as old as 19 had to drink up to five gallons of fat-rich camel's or cow's milk daily, aiming for silvery stretch marks on their upper arms. If a girl refused or vomited, the village weight-gain specialist might squeeze her foot between sticks, pull her ear, pinch her inner thigh, bend her finger backward or force her to drink her own vomit. In extreme cases, girls died.

The practice was known as gavage, a French term for force-feeding geese to obtain foie gras. "There isn't a woman close to my age who hasn't gone through this, maybe not with the torture, but with the milk and other things," said Yenserha Mint Mohamed Mahmoud, 47, a top government women's affairs official.

Ms. Mahmoud insists that the use of torture has died out, though some say it lingers in remote areas. Still, Mauritania remains saddled with an alarming number of women weighing 220 to 330 pounds, according to the Ministry for the Promotion of Women, Family and Children.

The same 2001 survey that documented overfeeding estimated that two in five women were overweight — not high by American standards, where government surveys show nearly three in five women are overweight — but remarkable for sub-Saharan Africa. According to the International Obesity Task Force, a London-based research and advocacy group, Mauritania has the region's fourth highest percentage of overweight women. Government officials blame a concerted effort by all but the poorest families to pump girls full of milk, cream, butter, couscous and other calorie-rich foods.

In 2003, the women's ministry mounted a slim-down campaign, wielding messages that were anything but subtle. One television and radio skit depicted a husband carting his fat wife around in a wheelbarrow. Another featured houseguests raiding the refrigerator because their host was too obese to get up to feed them. Doctors were recruited to explain health risks.

But messages spread slowly in the desert. Nearly three-fourths of Mauritanian women do not watch television, and an even greater share do not listen to the radio, said Ms. Haidy, the statistician.

Nor is it easy, Ms. Mahmoud said, to change how the sexes view each other. "Men want women to be fat, and so they are fat," she said. "Women want men to be skinny, and so they are skinny." Indeed, according to Mauritanian stereotypes, porky men are womanish and lazy.

Mohamed el-Moktar Ould Salem, a 52-year-old procurement officer, blames the brightly colored, head-to-toe mulafas that hide all but the most voluptuous female curves for shaping the men's preferences. A slender woman, he said, "just looks like a stick wrapped up."

Fatma Mint Mohamed, 35, a mother of five living in a village south of Nouakchott, the capital, agrees. She carries nearly 200 pounds on her five-foot frame. Her weight makes her husband "very happy, of course," she said, although her slimmer sister, 45 minutes away in the city, warns that it could kill her.

Mrs. Mohamed said she endured a comparatively mild form of gavage — "just enough so our family did not get criticized or be thought of as poor" — and was proud to emerge with a praiseworthy, roly-poly figure. Her 9-year-old daughter, Selma, with curly dark hair, wide-set eyes and what her mother considers a distressingly slim figure, has so far escaped the treatment, in hopes that she will gain weight on her own.

Selma's sisters, now 20 and 14, were less fortunate. Mrs. Mohamed said she spared them the "old-fashioned" techniques that made girls she grew up with scream in pain. "But to tell the truth, I did take them to the cows and made them overdrink," she acknowledged. "I did overfeed them, just a little bit, just so they could look like real Mauritanian girls. Forty days was enough to get them in the shape I wanted."

Other Mauritanian women have replaced gavage with thoroughly modern prescription drug abuse. At the capital's open-air market in late June last week, a male buyer easily secured a gold box of Indian-made dexamethasone tablets, a prescription steroid hormone that can cause sharp weight gain.

The black-turbaned seller, his wares displayed openly on a plastic sheet, warned that the drug was dangerous. But it would fatten up the man's wife fast, he promised.

Nouredine François, a pharmacist, refuses to sell that drug. But he said he could not keep a particular prescription antihistamine on his shelves because women had heard it made them drowsy, thus less active and more likely to add pounds.

He considers himself one of the few Mauritanian men who understand obesity's dangers. "Every day I see a woman come in here who has suffered from a stroke," he said. He said he was trying to lose weight and did not push his wife to get fatter.

But his wife, an already-Rubenesque beauty-parlor worker, needs no pushing, he said. "She says, `Why don't you bring me any pills? You give them to other women but you won't give them to me.' "

"Women are very sensitive about their weight," he said. "She just wants to keep up a good image."

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RE: Kinksters & Their Body Size, Diet, & Fitness - 11/12/2009 8:21:12 PM   
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Caffeine is addictive (even in soda form), and does lead to those kinds of withdrawal symptoms. You could try replacing it with black tea or some such, if you're just trying to avoid the soda itself.

angel, I agree with Carrie that there's no magic weight at which we will feel perfect, or that nobody else will criticise us. I'm generally pretty happy with my body/figure, but sometimes I have a day where I feel unconfident and pick at myself, or see a picture that was taken at a bad angle or whatever.

Kia, I've been normal or underweight (a few times) all my life, and I agree with the list you gave. One thing that nobody mentioned yet is to and wait after one serving before eating more. It takes time for the stomach to give the "I'm full" signal.


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RE: Kinksters & Their Body Size, Diet, & Fitness - 11/14/2009 5:48:21 AM   
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I was watching the TODAY show this morning and they had an idea that people can become addicted to sugary/fat laden/calorie food, much the same people become addicted to cigarettes.  That overtime the effect gets numbed so to speak so you need more to have the pleasure effect.

However, some tips they offered is for sugar cravings use cinnamon, cinnamon is supposed to help cut cravings.  (As an aside L-Glutamine, i believe that is how its spelled, is supposed to help also).

For salt cravings -- they said fresh spices and load your food up with it.  It gives the brain a power punch of nutrient antioxidents.

For fat cravings they said use healthy fats, olive, safflower oil and nut oils. 

They said if you start making these changes, you will be able to start healing your brain of the damage the addiction caused and therefore, your addiction will becomes less focus in your life and you will be able to start using healthy natural concepts of what you were addicted to i.e., natural sweetners instead of all the processed sugary stuff, spices instead of salt, and natural good fats instead of junk food.

On many levels to me this sorta makes sense.  Just thought i would throw this out there  just something i saw on TV today for any information you wish to gleen from it.

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RE: Kinksters & Their Body Size, Diet, & Fitness - 11/14/2009 6:17:02 AM   
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I was watching the TODAY show this morning and they had an idea that people can become addicted to sugary/fat laden/calorie food, much the same people become addicted to cigarettes.
When it comes to treating eating disorders, sugar is considered a drug because of the effects it has on the brain. But it is not considered a life long addiction as are other chemicals (and it should be, imho)


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RE: Kinksters & Their Body Size, Diet, & Fitness - 11/17/2009 7:10:16 AM   
LaTigresse


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They will pry a Dark Doves Promise from my cold dead fingers...

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RE: Kinksters & Their Body Size, Diet, & Fitness - 11/17/2009 7:27:19 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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One of the author's basic theses is that 'being fat' can have all kinds of 'positive' benefits for the fat & / or eating disordered person


Kia...as one who has worked with children with eating disorders, i feel confident in saying the benefits are few and far between and many do not survive to enjoy them


Holly / Kia,
I too have worked with these children... and here's what I've seen - children eating because it is the only solace they have, eating because if they don't binge, they know they will starve because people forget to feed them, children eating to make themselves disgusting so that if they are verbally abused they can hide behind "They just see me as fat, not who I really am" as a way to preserve their spirit, children who make themselves fat so that they will no longer be raped. 

There are a myriad of reasons children do this.  And society has created these reasons as well as the responses.

I remember doing a guided imagery once of "imagine yourself getting smaller and smaller and being a normal weight."  I got a flash of what that would mean for me.  I was really pretty, and it would mean men harassing me about that - I didn't know how to thwart their advances and how to deal with the guilt of what happened with that.  I also realized that people would (in my mind) think I was pretty but stupid.  Smart was my identity (my sister was the pretty one, I was the smart one).  I would be stealing my sister's identity - how could I live with myself when she was (at the time) all I had?

Now, how many years later?  And with a thyroid problem to boot, I'll never be thin, buy by golly I'm healthy. 

Beyond the general "dinner as celebration", "food is love",  "bake someone happy" kind of thinking we have in our society, there are deep rooted identity issues that have to be fought, deep rooted addictions, deep rooted habits.  These things are individual.

I think when we discuss this topic (and I admit I've only read chunks of it), for me, I need to separate the societal McDonald's on every corner, cultural "food is love", and the personal - I want people to think I'm smart and the psychiatric - starvation history for myself - and the addiction.

It is the multiple layers that need to be handled all together that make this, I think, such a cunning adversary.

The best story that I ever heard that helps me with all of this is (taken from the internet - it's a well known story):

The Wolves Within
A grandson told of his anger at a schoolmate who had done him an injustice. Grandfather said: "Let me tell you a story." "I, too, have felt a great hate for those that have taken so much, with no sorrow for what they do. But, hate wears you down and does not hurt your enemy. It is like taking poison and wishing your enemy would die. I have struggled with these feelings many times.

It is as if there are two wolves inside me: one is good and does no harm. He lives in harmony with all around him and does not take offense when no offense was intended. He will only fight when it is right to do so, and in the right way. But the other wolf is full of anger. The littlest thing will set him into a fit of temper. He fights with everyone, all the time, for no reason. He cannot think because his anger and hate are so great. It is hard to live with these two wolves inside me, for both of then try to dominate my spirit."

The boy looked intently into his grandfather's eyes and asked, "Which one wins, Grandfather?"

The grandfather solemnly replied, "The one I feed."


It's about anger, but it's also about anything.

Best,
sunshine



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RE: Kinksters & Their Body Size, Diet, & Fitness - 1/11/2011 6:43:53 AM   
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This is an older thread but why not?!

I am not skinny and haven't been thin since I was very young. At my worst I weighed around 250 an got into the plus sizes. Some of this was due to my eating habits and most of it due to PCOS (poly cysitc ovarian syndrome) which makes my weight fluctuate and it makes it difficult to lose weight.

I don't look at the scale anymore. I know I will probably never be thin but I eat healthy now, nearly all of my meals are from scratch and not processed. I am very dedicated to Martial Arts and go to classes 5 times a week doing Tae Kwon Do. I may not be skinny, I may be above average, but I am healthy and active and I do not believe weight gets in the way of being a good Dom/me or Sub.

If you feel good, healthy, and SEXY and you have the confidence, then it shouldn't matter.

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RE: Kinksters & Their Body Size, Diet, & Fitness - 1/11/2011 10:06:40 AM   
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what a great thread :D i've never seen it either. i'll go back and check out everyone's responses. i just wanted to say that i am understanding that sometimes i do misread things for hunger -- like thirst. i was reading an article that said the thirst reflex in people is sometimes so weak that they mistake it for hunger.
i know that i don't drink enough, so when i feel a twinge of hunger after i've already eaten, i'm trying to drink more water.

my most favorite exercise is belly dance -- it's the only physical activity i've managed to stick with (have been dancing for 3 years); it's great for endurance and cardiovascular fitness (shimmying is serious business!), and it also tends to invite in things like yoga and pilates, but my body type is such that i build muscle fairly easily, but don't shed fat. i'm in better shape than i appear to be in. =p hahaha i also gained a lot of weight after M died, and i really need to get that off so i can feel like i can take a step forward -- physical baggage, i can do something about! ^_^

i'm thinking about trying weight watchers; i'm not far out of control, but i need a jumpstart, and i've seen people have really good results with that.

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