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Moonhead -> RE: A thread for diabetics (10/31/2009 4:34:46 PM)
That's true, but if you're on an insulin regime, the medication leaves you more capable of dealing with carbohydrate than somebody whose trying to control the problem through diet. Their biggest problem, as you say is having the blood sugar rise if they eat too many carbs. You can have the opposite problem as a reaction to insulin though. I was forgetting that difference between the two forms. Has anybody had any experience of this vitamin deficiency talk that's been doing the rounds for the last few years?

Level -> RE: A thread for diabetics (10/31/2009 4:40:47 PM)
Yes, you can "control" a higher intake of carbs, or even the same amount of carbs by shooting insulin, but that's taking a risk. And you probably know as well as I do, most diabetics that have to use insulin do so because they want to eat garbage. Type 2s, I'm talking about, as 1s have to have the shots, but even they could use FAR less if they'd eat right. More tips: take care of your feet!!! Use lotion to keep the skin supple, look at the bottom of your feet every day to check for sores or cuts. Be careful cutting your nails. Get your eyes checked by someone that has experience working with diabetics. Use glucose tabs for hypoglycemic events; it gives a far more precise rise in BG than just eating candy, as some do.

Kalista07 -> RE: A thread for diabetics (10/31/2009 5:12:16 PM)
i have been diagnosed with this for....a ahem few years ahem.... i don't understand this...i don' get this... frankly, on so many levels i think this was the worst diagnosis for a person for to get.... i have never had a good or even kind relationship with food... i don't appreciate food. i don't enjoy food... Frankly i don't even comprehend the food... The thought of trying to figure out what types of things i should eat, let alone what things might be desirable to eat are just so overwhelming that i can't even fathom this entire conversation......... i have spent so much time and energy on this..trying to comprehend this information...trying to get a handle on it..... and i end up so overwhelmed that i just.......well do what i always do....... which is i end up just not eating.......... for a long time my numbers remained controlled this way....by me just not eating....Until recently...Now, for whatever reason, this no longer works. Now, they just keep increasing no matter what.....Oh yeah....Except when they are bottoming out beyond all hell.... Kali Who will take whatever help she can get.

Level -> RE: A thread for diabetics (10/31/2009 5:18:18 PM)
Do you take any meds, Kali?

Kalista07 -> RE: A thread for diabetics (10/31/2009 5:23:58 PM)
Oh yes Level...i do...LOL.... Some days i'm a walking pharmacy.... Although i will tell You i was so proud last night when i went to the emergency room and i was able to tell them i no longer take medication for high blood pressure or high cholesterol... They looked at me like i was lying when i said i had managed to treat both of those on my own without medication... i'm on medication for: depression, no thyroid, migraines, asthma, and the diabetes. Currently i'm only on the metformin, although i'm considering asking my doctor to put me back on the byetta.

Louve00 -> RE: A thread for diabetics (10/31/2009 5:51:23 PM)
Kalista, I would think a general, easy way to do this for you would be to avoid white foods. (like bread, rice, potatoes, sugar, macaroni, etc.) If you can remember artificial sweeteners are ok, it'd make life sweeter for you. There's alot more to it than that (like stay away from canned meats and processed meats...processed meats in general are cold-cuts and hotdogs), but if you stayed away from foods that were white (and canned/processed meats), that would cover alot of the things you shouldn't eat. Hope that makes it easier for ya. [sm=smile.gif]

Level -> RE: A thread for diabetics (10/31/2009 5:58:19 PM)
Louve is right about that. Fresh, real foods are good. Meat, seafood, and veggies, eggs, and cheese. Fruit is not good for a diabetic. I don't care what any doctors say, most of them get a couple of weeks "training" on nutrition, and don't know their head from a hole in the ground. Dr Bernstein advises 6-12-12. That is 6 total grams of carbs for breakfast, 12 for lunch, and 12 for supper. No mas. Do that, and you very likely will get off the metformin as well.

Moonhead -> RE: A thread for diabetics (11/1/2009 4:57:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level Yes, you can "control" a higher intake of carbs, or even the same amount of carbs by shooting insulin, but that's taking a risk. And you probably know as well as I do, most diabetics that have to use insulin do so because they want to eat garbage. Type 2s, I'm talking about, as 1s have to have the shots, but even they could use FAR less if they'd eat right. I do have type 1: that's why I apologised for my comments not being relevant to DarkSteven.

Level -> RE: A thread for diabetics (11/1/2009 5:06:11 AM)
And just to say, I didn't mean for it to sound like I was trying to bite anyone's head off, I just get aggravated on the subject, at times.

Moonhead -> RE: A thread for diabetics (11/1/2009 5:15:45 AM)
Fair enough.

Termyn8or -> RE: A thread for diabetics (11/3/2009 11:31:14 PM)
Total jumpthrough buit oh well. I have already been though all this somewhere but here are some facts. Diabetes is caused by either a deficiency of vanadium and/or chromium, both essential trace elements. That is not to sat that this is always the cause, there are others, but if you don't get enough of those two nutrients you WILL become diabetc. Proven and known scientific fact.Other essential trace minerals may be involved as well. Now a whole box of veggies has about the trace minerals of a cup of nuts. That's right, good old Planter's mixed nuts are nature's mineral supplement. If that isn't good enoungh tablespoons of alot of spices are as potent as the nuts or veggies. This is all scientific fact that I can support. I mean reseach studies in the way of actual medical journals and shit like that. Chromium and vanadium feed the pancreas which produces insulin, which is essential to metabolise sugar. And just avoiding sugar might not work. There are a few types. The pancreas in tune with the rest of your body chemistry breaks down the sugars which are produced in your digestive tract from carbohydrates. That's right, what goes in is not necessarily come out. Just like eating fat does not make you fat, it depends. I have had mineral supplements so strong that they had a warning for diabetics right on the label to check their sugar frequently, because the product will cause "decreased insulin resistance". That actually means you would need less. Now if you are newly diabetic I believe that with proper nutrition and diet you can reverse it. You might be labelled a diabetic, but if you don't have to worry about the shot of kalua, and don't have to check yous sugar, and don't have to take any mainainence drugs at all what do you call that ? I call it not diabetic. If your diabetes is caused by a mineral deficiency, time is important. If you don't supply your pancreas with the proper nutrients and make it work, it will atrophy like anything else in the body. If you decide to try dietary methods, do it soon and indeed check your sugar often. See what dietary changes affect your levels in the way intended. Learn to like those things. And learn to dislike other things. Not really but I can tell you something personally. I got hit with black mold and am still recovering from it. It seems to have affected my thyroid funcion. Well like the pancreas needs certain things, the thyroid needs iodine, another recognized essential mineral. Broccoli inhibits the absorption of iodine so I must avoid it. And I like it. Too bad. What I am saying is that these kinds of interaction should be known. You NEED to know this. As I have said from time to time in the past, especially when I had most of my health - "It's not so much in what I eat, but also in what I DON'T eat". I am turning fifty next year and have never lost a tooth. Up until this mold shit I could just about lift a half a car up off the ground. And I am coming back. I am getting my energy back, as well as a few other things. All this without doctor one. You know how to do your own research stuff, and study. There is information out there that doesn't require youi to become a slave to them, to their chemistry. Use it if you can. I also have detailed files, so with real email I can send you a ZIP file of just about all of it. Mail me and say the word. All you need is to be able to digest a ZIP file. Once unzipped it looks like a webpage, and it actually was at one time. The place got bought out or whatever and they wrecked it, but I have the old files. T

ImpressMeFirst -> RE: A thread for diabetics (11/4/2009 10:00:25 AM)
take it from me folks, for god's sake watch the feet. i got a staph infection in the right foot, ironically from a podiatrist's office they think, and lost all the toes on my right foot, all from a tiny opening in my foot from dry skin. my hga1c level was under 7. you don't have to have out of control blood sugar to have foot problems. there is also something that comes up with diabetic neuropathy, something i've been living with for three years now called charcot's foot. i'll leave the website here for all of you. i had attempted a reconstruction of my left foot 15 months ago. due to the continued degradation of the foot the surgical site had healed and broken down several times, despite doing everything we possibly can, non weight bearing, contact casting, special braces and shoes and bombarding my body with antibiotics to control the infection risk. i will be consulting with a vascular surgeon on tuesday about a below the knee amputation of my left leg. the doctors feel i will heal better from that than i have the reconstruction surgery as i have excellent circulation. it sucks rocks, but i have to agree, the foot is a lost cause, nothing has stabilized the disease, even having my a1c levels so low. so please, keep your feet in good condition and be very careful especially if you have neuropathy. here's the link: http://www.podiatrychannel.com/charcotfoot/index.shtml keep those numbers low folks, and inspect your feet at least twice a day, keep your feet protected and good luck!! Chell/aka the former PanthersMom

Termyn8or -> RE: A thread for diabetics (11/6/2009 12:14:47 AM)
Not just the feet so much, the toes. The extreme extremities. These contain the smallest of the viens and ateries in the body, like the eyes, ears and the brain. As much as I don't go to doctors, I generally don't go because of my lack of faith in them curing diseases, but sometime early next year I will be going to an opthamalogist. I seem to have developed a cararact. To have the operation, which I dread coming up with the money for, I will no doubt be required to take a pohysical exam to ensure that I don't die on the table. That's all I want to know. I know what else they are going to say, but I don't care, things like this I deal with or I don't. But I do not want to be blind, deaf, or anything like that. Yes I did go to an ENT for an ear infection, but I did not want to be deaf. The illness that caused the infection was beaten by my immune system, at a huge cost, that in me being unable to work. This was decades ago. But for the illness I tend to do my own research and not go running to them at the first sign. To say the least. But all you diabetics out there, has even one doctor ever mentioned chromium or vanadium to you ? I bet not. That proves it's still a money game. OK, they make me see better I'll lay a couple grand on them. What caused this to be needed is anybody's guess. It may have been the black mold that hit me, or just the aging process. In either case I am not asking them to cure anything, rather I am asking them to correct a defect. My line is drawn where it is. But why don't doctors at least mention possible root causes of these illnesses, or more aptly put, conditions ? Why when I asked a doctor a very long time ago if there were some foods I should avoid he had no answer whatsoever ? Absolutely nothing to say. I'll put the info out so you can make your own decisions, but I can tell you this; I do not trust them. Even if I trusted their loyalty I can't trust their expertise. So it should be easy to see that it won't be easy to convince me. I do not recommend anyone take medicine into their own hands, many people can't for various reasons, and even beyond that, sifting through all the misinformation and disinformationm put out by snake oil salesmen and the like, and even the medical profession, is not easy. But that doesn't stop you from doing things that are good for you. T

CarrieO -> RE: A thread for diabetics (11/6/2009 4:10:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ImpressMeFirst take it from me folks, for god's sake watch the feet. i got a staph infection in the right foot, ironically from a podiatrist's office they think, and lost all the toes on my right foot, all from a tiny opening in my foot from dry skin. my hga1c level was under 7. you don't have to have out of control blood sugar to have foot problems. there is also something that comes up with diabetic neuropathy, something i've been living with for three years now called charcot's foot. i'll leave the website here for all of you. i had attempted a reconstruction of my left foot 15 months ago. due to the continued degradation of the foot the surgical site had healed and broken down several times, despite doing everything we possibly can, non weight bearing, contact casting, special braces and shoes and bombarding my body with antibiotics to control the infection risk. i will be consulting with a vascular surgeon on tuesday about a below the knee amputation of my left leg. the doctors feel i will heal better from that than i have the reconstruction surgery as i have excellent circulation. it sucks rocks, but i have to agree, the foot is a lost cause, nothing has stabilized the disease, even having my a1c levels so low. so please, keep your feet in good condition and be very careful especially if you have neuropathy. here's the link: http://www.podiatrychannel.com/charcotfoot/index.shtml keep those numbers low folks, and inspect your feet at least twice a day, keep your feet protected and good luck!! Chell/aka the former PanthersMom Hello ImpressMeFirst(Chell)... First, let me say, welcome back. I remember your posts and it's nice to see you back. Charcot foot...ugh!!!! As I said in post # 12, I've been dealing with the aftermath of charcot for just over 5 years. I've had surgery and thankfully everything seemd to be ok...this for course after dealing with osteomyelities. You're right...low glucose doesn't exempt you from complications. One of the reasons no doctor would believe I had charcot was because I had my A1C below 6.5...they kept saying "This is something a person gets after years of uncontrolled diabetes"...I proved them wrong. I was forunate...and stubborn...enough that this didn't develop into a full-blown case, but it's 5 years of hell that not only affected my quality of life but my ability to perform my job at that time (I had to quit something I not only loved but somthing that was a dream job for me) and made it difficult to do something so simple as take a hike. I pushed it many times and paid the price. It also, on the positive side, made me grateful for little things like walking and the resilience of the human body. I had what I hope will be my last foot surgery a week ago and am going today for a follow-up appointment. It pains me to hear you'll be discussing amputation with your doctor...I wish you the best, surgery is never an easy choice. Ironically, my health insurance, I discovered after hours of arguing with them via phone, would cover amputation but wasn't willing to cover the cost of preventitive care. But...that's another thread! You're so right, thought....People, CHECK YOUR FEET DAILY!!!!! On a side note...I use unrefined coconut oil daily after I shower to moisturize my skin. Coconut oil has natural antibacterial, antiviral and antifungal properties and is the best moisturizer I've found. Best of luck.

CarrieO -> RE: A thread for diabetics (11/6/2009 4:51:28 AM)
I wanted to put this information out here and see if anyone else has anything similar. I've been drinking raw milk...non-pasteurized/non-homogenized...for about 4 years off and on depending on availability. When I do use raw milk, I notice a drop in blood glucose. Let me be clear...I DON'T drink gobs of milk daily and I use maybe quart a week. http://www.realmilk.com/raw.html http://www.realmilk.com/what.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/05/10-things-you-should-know_n_211715.html Just curious if I'm the only one who has chosen to go this route.

Moonhead -> RE: A thread for diabetics (11/6/2009 5:42:09 AM)
That's interesting. You'd think there'd be more sugar in non processed milk, wouldn't you?

barelynangel -> RE: A thread for diabetics (11/6/2009 5:55:15 AM)
I wouldn't.... many people don't realize when they take fat out of something they usually substitute it with sugar. If you go to your favorite food that has reg fat and non fat and look at the nutrition you will see much more added sugar in the non fats and low fat type. There is probably more natural sugar in unprocessed food which is not necessarily bad for you as a whole, but many processed foods in an attempt to remove fat have added sugar instead in all forms.

CarrieO -> RE: A thread for diabetics (11/6/2009 6:29:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead That's interesting. You'd think there'd be more sugar in non processed milk, wouldn't you? Here's a link that will show the nutritional breakdown of raw milk vs "regular" milk http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/what_is_in_raw_milk.html Taken from the article... "Lactose, the first carbohydrate most baby mammals ever taste, is actually made up of two simple sugars, glucose and galactose, making it a disaccharide. Cow's milk hovers at around 5% lactose (human milk averages a bit higher at just over 7% by comparison). It's got a fairly low glycemic index (doesn't boost insulin levels very quickly) and so is better tolerated by diabetics." *Edited to add....This is by no means a "cure-all" for diabetes. Just another example of why it's so important to know what's in the food you consume and how it affects your body.

winterlight -> RE: A thread for diabetics (11/6/2009 10:49:52 PM)
Too many posts to read. Mary Tyler Moore's recent book talks about Diabetes. It is a good book to read if you have Diabetes or recently diagnosed with the disease...

hereyesruponyou -> RE: A thread for diabetics (11/7/2009 4:17:37 PM)
Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for the info. I am still in the learning phase so every litle bit helps and i just couldn't help trying the pb cookie recipe. I altered it to use the Ideal sweetener for cooking instead. It's natural rather than the sucrolose. Pretty amazing stuff! 2 thumbs up from my mate. And rich enough that a very small cookie satisfies all by itself!

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