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wandersalone -> RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complaints about a local mental pyche ward? (11/11/2009 1:25:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis

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ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch

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ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis

I also am obese.  Taking a medication caused me to gain 100 lbs in 10 weeks while carefully watching my diet & continuing to be as active as possible. 



Holy crap Linnaea!  What kind of medication were you taking?   A pound of melted butter every night before bedtime?


I just  went to an informational meeting for Food Addicts Anonymous (a 12 step program that is sort of an offshoot of OA).  It blew me away.


It was an MOAI by the brand name of Nardil.  My Dr said it "might cause a little weight gain."  I stopped taking it when I hit the 100 lb mark.


I have been steering clear of this thread for a while but I read what you said Linnea and ..... well here is my story ....

In my early twenties, following a car accident that left me in chronic pain I experienced chronic major depression.  It was unrelenting and much of those years is a blur to me.

suicide atttempts - check....twice. One time I remember begging the ambulance people to pretend they hadn't found me and to let me die.  The second time was when I was in a psych ward.  For a long time afterwards I wished that I had succeeded.

hospital admissions - check.  i am not sure how many stays, probably about 5 or 6, a couple of lengthy stays of two or so months.  Linnea I was on nardil as well and gained over 40 kilo's (88 pounds) in about 6 weeks.  My family was fighting with the doctors to get me off the tablets (I can't remember any of this time) but they refused as they thought the risk of me suiciding was worse than the risk of me exploding. [8|] And remember I am only a smidge over 5 foot

If you can imagine someone going to sleep and being a curvy but height and weight appropriate woman and waking up and being morbidly obese and literally not recognising the person in the mirror..... that was me.  I literally hated the person I saw staring back at me and felt no connection to them. 

I was put on every medication available including many drug trials as the depression was so resistant to treatment.  I was having psychological counselling and finally had ECT followed by more counselling over a number of years.

I haven't had an episode of major depression now for about 8 years and have been off medication for about the same amount of time and I am working on losing the weight I gained all those years ago.  I am actually about halway there. [:)]

A vital part of me staying mentally healthy is exercising, seeing a psychologist if needed for a bit of a tweak, practising mediation and many cognitive behavioural strategies every single day, boundaries - knowing what to say yes to and what to say no to, being around people who love me and uplift me, being thankful every day for just how far I have come and more importantly recognising that depression is going to always be a part of me but it doesn't have to be a problem.  I now love the woman I see looking back at me from the mirror and I am thankful for the scars physical  (I was a self-harmer) and psychological as they remind me of just how far I have come and how resilient I am.

Tfb..... you can get through this.  It does require an enormous amount of hard work on your part and a commitment to making changes, it isn't about trying....it is about doing.

edited to add: ps this has helped make me the fracken kick ass psychologist I am [:D]



sinandhoney -> RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complaints about a local mental pyche ward? (11/11/2009 4:28:58 AM)

And for those wishing exersize on a low budget check out your local Ymca they have a program for those who are low income and will base your fees on your income.  I pay like $19 a month for me and my 3 kids to attend.



lusciouslips19 -> RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complaints about a local mental pyche ward? (11/11/2009 4:38:42 AM)


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What is very heartwarming and inspiring about some of these stories is the people who are taking responsibility for their actions, instead of blaming it on a condition. I'm seeing "I was an asshat AND bipolar" not "I was an asshat but it was only because I was bipolar" (for example).


Cali


I find this incredibly judgemental. Maybe Im reading it wrong. If some was was a shcitzophrenic and they did something unspeakable during a hallucination, would you call them responsible for their actions under this? People seem to think illness is only physical. Even if someone says I was an asshat only because I was bipolar, if they get treatment and seek help they ARE taking responsibility. Even if they say, It was only because of the Hallucinations, medication, cocaine, meth, bipolar, depression etc.

There is something called blaming the action, not the actor. People can do bad things. It doesnt make them bad. So they do asshat things. It doesnt make them an asshat because they say there was a thing that caused an effect.



purepleasure -> RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complaints about a local mental pyche ward? (11/11/2009 4:55:14 AM)

Lushy, I read Cali's post as someone was being an ass and being bipolar, and not using their bi-polar as an excuse to be an ass.

In the first section, the former ass takes ownership of the asshat behavior, and made the choice to behave in that manner,
in the second section, the ass uses mental illness as an excuse to behave like an ass

At least, that's how I interpreted it. Either way, mentally ill or not, people need to take ownership of their behavior and actions, be it genteel or asshat.



lusciouslips19 -> RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complaints about a local mental pyche ward? (11/11/2009 5:08:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: purepleasure

Lushy, I read Cali's post as someone was being an ass and being bipolar, and not using their bi-polar as an excuse to be an ass.

In the first section, the former ass takes ownership of the asshat behavior, and made the choice to behave in that manner,
in the second section, the ass uses mental illness as an excuse to behave like an ass

At least, that's how I interpreted it. Either way, mentally ill or not, people need to take ownership of their behavior and actions, be it genteel or asshat.



Im just saying if you get treatment you are taking responsibility for your action. I agree using it as an excuse and doing nothing but blaming things on a condition and then continuing with the behavior is wrong.



purepleasure -> RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complaints about a local mental pyche ward? (11/11/2009 5:13:04 AM)

Along that line... if someone is in a psychotic episode, does that automatically absolve them from all resposibility?

I do understand what your saying. But even the criminally insane have to pay their dues for their indiscretions.



DarkSteven -> RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complaints about a local mental pyche ward? (11/11/2009 5:18:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sinandhoney

And for those wishing exersize on a low budget check out your local Ymca they have a program for those who are low income and will base your fees on your income.  I pay like $19 a month for me and my 3 kids to attend.


Another option is to browse craigslist.  I got a stairstepper machine for $25 there.  Now I just gotta make myself use the damn thing.



devilishpixie -> RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complaints about a local mental pyche ward? (11/11/2009 5:20:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: purepleasure

Along that line... if someone is in a psychotic episode, does that automatically absolve them from all resposibility?

I do understand what your saying. But even the criminally insane have to pay their dues for their indiscretions.



As someone who has had psychotic breaks I can tell you that I am totally 100% responsible for my actions during those periods. I have lost apartments because of my actions during psychotic breaks and I have lost relationships because of my actions during those breaks (black outs). Weather on medication or not, it and more so if I am not on my medication. To blame my illness for my actions during those episodes is placing blame, it's not taking reponsibility for my treatment, my body, my actions. IMO that is like saying I am only my disorder which is something I refuse to say.



lusciouslips19 -> RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complaints about a local mental pyche ward? (11/11/2009 5:22:42 AM)

The road to recovery is long. Sometimes its two steps forward and 3 steps back. I think its great to note the improvement but to tell the person the truth.

TFB, I think its great that you are admitting you have a problem and have in some ways sought help. But sometimes you need to remove the tumors with surgery. Thats a metophor. You're not doing that. You are living with abusers and enablers and you are both an abuser and abused and enabling others and being enabled. Its called Co-dependancy and its unhealthy. Yes, going for medication is great. But then saying you cant take it because of this this and this is wrong. You have to stay on it for a few weeks before you say its not right for you. It takes time to adjust. Hell, I couldnt sleep at first on my meds til I got use to it. If its still not working you speak with your doctor to try an alternative. Its not enough to just check yourself in somewhere and blame those around you. You need to seek out the therapy get as much as they allow. If one facility is wrong, do your research and find another and dont stop til YOU get it right. I found as a teacher that people who didnt do their work blamed my teaching instead of saying it was because they never showed up and didnt study. Its kind of like that. The people who want help or learning will get it on their own and make the most of wherever they are.

Its like saying you are going to walk a mile but stop at 2 blocks. You have to do all the work, not part of it.
I wish you take things said to heart and learn from the lessons of others, instead of learning the hard way.

I wish you well, I wish you peace, but mostly I wish you strength to do the right thing.




GYPSYMAMBO -> RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complaints about a local mental pyche ward? (11/11/2009 5:23:39 AM)

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. To blame my illness for my actions during those episodes is placing blame, it's not taking reponsibility for my treatment, my body, my actions. IMO that is like saying I am only my disorder which is something I refuse to say.

I agree..a wonderful Dr told me..
"You have many facets BUT THE WHOLE UNIT has to take responsiblity for your actions.."
GM



lusciouslips19 -> RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complaints about a local mental pyche ward? (11/11/2009 5:29:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: purepleasure

Along that line... if someone is in a psychotic episode, does that automatically absolve them from all resposibility?

I do understand what your saying. But even the criminally insane have to pay their dues for their indiscretions.


Of course not, they are required to go to a place for treatment for the criminally insane. I think its just as abhorable when someone who was suffering from something unspeakable is put in jail when they should have been sent to a place for treatment.

There was a woman some years ago who killed her children due to postpartum psychosis. She had a history of it documented. Her husband kept insisting she have more kids. She was put in jail even though the evidence was there even according to the husband and medical records. There are women put in jail for killing their abusive partner but no one helped them before hand. And people with money and fame like OJ go scott free.



lusciouslips19 -> RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complaints about a local mental pyche ward? (11/11/2009 5:39:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GYPSYMAMBO

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[
. To blame my illness for my actions during those episodes is placing blame, it's not taking reponsibility for my treatment, my body, my actions. IMO that is like saying I am only my disorder which is something I refuse to say.

I agree..a wonderful Dr told me..
"You have many facets BUT THE WHOLE UNIT has to take responsiblity for your actions.."
GM

And I agree. I am just saying, whether you say it was because of the condition that I did such and such, and then get treatment(you apologize for your actions as much as possible) IS taking responsibility. if you do nothing but blame the condition doing nothing but making excuses of why you cant get help, do this or that is blame and playing games and manipulating people.

But you are still a person who is unwell. I think people do better when they can do better. We do the best we can till we can do better.

A Science of mind minister use to say, "I am complete whole and perfect right now as I move to a greater experience. The Science of mind is all about responsibilty but it is also about releasing anger and forgiveness and hating the act, not the actor. Because when you dont forgive someone you are bound to them, you drag them around.



lusciouslips19 -> RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complaints about a local mental pyche ward? (11/11/2009 5:50:10 AM)

i also wanted to mention sometimes the person has to forgive themselves before they can get well. Know that they can love themselves even though they fail.



Daddysredhead -> RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complaints about a local mental pyche ward? (11/11/2009 9:35:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: purepleasure

Lushy, I read Cali's post as someone was being an ass and being bipolar, and not using their bi-polar as an excuse to be an ass.

In the first section, the former ass takes ownership of the asshat behavior, and made the choice to behave in that manner,
in the second section, the ass uses mental illness as an excuse to behave like an ass

At least, that's how I interpreted it. Either way, mentally ill or not, people need to take ownership of their behavior and actions, be it genteel or asshat.


This is the way I understood Cali's post as well.

I've told my son that I'm aware that he has a disorder that may cause him to behave in ways that are shitty at times, but that doesn't mean that he isn't going to have consequences or be held 100% accountable for that behavior, because we all have to step up and take responsibility for our actions, whether we are under duress at the time, or not.



Daddysredhead -> RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complaints about a local mental pyche ward? (11/11/2009 9:37:07 AM)

Wanders, I just love and respect you even more.

Red



lusciouslips19 -> RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complaints about a local mental pyche ward? (11/11/2009 9:48:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Daddysredhead


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ORIGINAL: purepleasure

Lushy, I read Cali's post as someone was being an ass and being bipolar, and not using their bi-polar as an excuse to be an ass.

In the first section, the former ass takes ownership of the asshat behavior, and made the choice to behave in that manner,
in the second section, the ass uses mental illness as an excuse to behave like an ass

At least, that's how I interpreted it. Either way, mentally ill or not, people need to take ownership of their behavior and actions, be it genteel or asshat.


This is the way I understood Cali's post as well.

I've told my son that I'm aware that he has a disorder that may cause him to behave in ways that are shitty at times, but that doesn't mean that he isn't going to have consequences or be held 100% accountable for that behavior, because we all have to step up and take responsibility for our actions, whether we are under duress at the time, or not.


When i told my son at 8 that he had Aspergers Syndrome. He was getting in trouble a few days later and said,"its not my fault, I have Aspergers". I said, "Niced try, its not gonna fly".

I agree, ultimately we arer responsible for learning the tools we need to control our behavior and make up for our challenges.



Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complaints about a local mental pyche ward? (11/11/2009 4:28:11 PM)

And you don't even really need a facility to exercise, you can do gentle stuff at home, and it's free. I mean hell any kind of increase in heart rate from exercise  is benifitial I have been told so for me on some days I just wildly wave my arms and shake them and move them and pretend to air box and I am out of breath and exerted, but I feel energized too for having done something.

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And for those wishing exersize on a low budget check out your local Ymca they have a program for those who are low income and will base your fees on your income.  I pay like $19 a month for me and my 3 kids to attend.



Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complaints about a local mental pyche ward? (11/11/2009 4:38:19 PM)

lusciouslips19 it was destroying my health, and I am not over exaggerating, in just two weeks my liver function tests are coming back abnormal from the medication and they were fine before. . And I tried to tell the dr I was woozi and dizzy and loosing my balance a lot which is a side affect of the med,  and he told me I was not falling down because the meds it was something else, and once the meds stopped all issues of falling down and wooziness and spacey ness and all the other side affects stopped too.

I finally feel healthy again and stable again both mind and body  because that particular med is not in my life and won't be again.

I'm willing to take the medication through SOME side affects but not just about every single one there is to the drug and they're pretty serious, like loss of balance and inability to function, happening to me and making me go out of my mind worse than  I ever was alone. I had litterally 5 different side affects all going on from that single medication.

I have felt so bad the last two weeks because of this med, but I had continued taking it, and though I took a sudden and sharp decrease in body health as well as mental health, I also took a very bad dive in mental health because I was worried about my body health and I was also crazier than before on it. I could tell there was something horribly wrong with me versus from before and while on the med and after I have been off it.


I'm going to try topomax, I just need to speak to my pych dr tomorow about fufilling the presription because it's what the mental hospital dr thinks I should be on but kiaser has to fill the script.

I've also got a wonderful sounding lady I am going to go to intensive therapy with, and IOP intensive out patient every day till right before thanksgiving.

I also have a best friend who I can go and see when I just need some peace from my own life and need to be a part of someone elses life outside my own, and she helps a  great deal.




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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
You have to stay on it for a few weeks before you say its not right for you. It takes time to adjust. Hell, I couldnt sleep at first on my meds til I got use to it. If its still not working you speak with your doctor to try an alternative.

I wish you well, I wish you peace, but mostly I wish you strength to do the right thing.





Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complaints about a local mental pyche ward? (11/11/2009 4:40:06 PM)

Get a friend who has an apartment with stairs and no elevator and if yo visit a lot wooooooooooooooooweeeeee you're gonna be up and down and up and down and up and down those stairs so much you're gonna be sick of seeing them stairs lol.
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ORIGINAL: sinandhoney

And for those wishing exersize on a low budget check out your local Ymca they have a program for those who are low income and will base your fees on your income.  I pay like $19 a month for me and my 3 kids to attend.


Another option is to browse craigslist.  I got a stairstepper machine for $25 there.  Now I just gotta make myself use the damn thing.




lovingpet -> RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complaints about a local mental pyche ward? (11/11/2009 5:16:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

lusciouslips19 it was destroying my health, and I am not over exaggerating, in just two weeks my liver function tests are coming back abnormal from the medication and they were fine before. . And I tried to tell the dr I was woozi and dizzy and loosing my balance a lot which is a side affect of the med,  and he told me I was not falling down because the meds it was something else, and once the meds stopped all issues of falling down and wooziness and spacey ness and all the other side affects stopped too.

I finally feel healthy again and stable again both mind and body  because that particular med is not in my life and won't be again.

I'm willing to take the medication through SOME side affects but not just about every single one there is to the drug and they're pretty serious, like loss of balance and inability to function, happening to me and making me go out of my mind worse than  I ever was alone. I had litterally 5 different side affects all going on from that single medication.

I have felt so bad the last two weeks because of this med, but I had continued taking it, and though I took a sudden and sharp decrease in body health as well as mental health, I also took a very bad dive in mental health because I was worried about my body health and I was also crazier than before on it. I could tell there was something horribly wrong with me versus from before and while on the med and after I have been off it.


I'm going to try topomax, I just need to speak to my pych dr tomorow about fufilling the presription because it's what the mental hospital dr thinks I should be on but kiaser has to fill the script.

I've also got a wonderful sounding lady I am going to go to intensive therapy with, and IOP intensive out patient every day till right before thanksgiving.

I also have a best friend who I can go and see when I just need some peace from my own life and need to be a part of someone elses life outside my own, and she helps a  great deal.




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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
You have to stay on it for a few weeks before you say its not right for you. It takes time to adjust. Hell, I couldnt sleep at first on my meds til I got use to it. If its still not working you speak with your doctor to try an alternative.

I wish you well, I wish you peace, but mostly I wish you strength to do the right thing.





I can relate somewhat to this. I will say you are sounding much better today than you have at least in a week. You sound much more together and your thought patterns seem more stable and unified. That medication was not a good one for you. Try and try and try until you find one that works for you and your life. Sometimes there is a rough period of about 2-8 weeks while your body adjusts to a new medication (especially something that is meant to affect your brain/brain chemistry). Extreme side effects are not acceptable, but some even really uncomfortable ones are as long as they clear up eventually. Long term moderate side effects are not particularly acceptable either.

I have battled with finding medications that work for a lot of various conditions. I have found that most things that affect my brain do not work remotely the way they should. I have had pain meds amp up my pain. I have had muscle relaxers result in spasms. I have had sleep meds result in gross insomnia. I have had antidepressants (in thankfully non therapuetic doses for sleep) result in severe, dangerous depression. Anti anxieties often make me anxious. It is just some weird way my brain functions that makes darn near everything do the opposite or just plain weird things in MY body. I don't gauge what anyone else's reaction to a med will be based on what I have experienced personally. I look at other people who have taken the medication before. I know my body is weird. We have effectively eliminated every single drug and class of antidepressants. I can't handle them in the range to treat pain and sleep problems, so a full therapuetic dose is absolutely out of the question. I have had to learn to handle things through alternative means almost exclusively.

I doubt how I describe myself is the case for you. I have met maybe two people ever that have had similar issues with medications. Keep working at it. You will find something that works well for you. It can be a long, uncomfortable, and frustrating process, but it will be well worth it. Take good care of yourself. I wish you nothing but the best always.

lovingpet



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