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RCdc -> RE: when a d/s relationship becomes pimp/prostitute (11/14/2009 3:30:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: frazzle

Sorry, but yet again, the sub is at fault.

On this occasion she threw common sense away at the front door, so i do agree she has responsibility. However wrong He was.

The last thread, when a sub was accused of lying/manipulating, she should accept that her Master/Dom was right and she shouldnt question.

Is there ever a situation where the D type is at fault!!!!!


If you want to see 'fault' you can blame anyone you want frazzle.
I prefere not to stick blame on anyone - thats the biggest problem on people giving their advice on threads in the first place.

the.dark.




GYPSYMAMBO -> RE: when a d/s relationship becomes pimp/prostitute (11/14/2009 3:32:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: frazzle


Is there ever a situation where the D type is at fault!!!!!


The guy IS NOT A D TYPE...he is an abuser masquerading as such..
and she needs to take her 50%

and I am a D and take my 50% and up to 99.9% at times.
like the time I mismanaged the money in our POLY home..in  particular situation....or made a wrong decision about one of my subs schooling.

GM




frazzle -> RE: when a d/s relationship becomes pimp/prostitute (11/14/2009 3:37:39 PM)

i normally agree that everything is 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other.

Every thread ive seen NZ comment on recently, says its the sub/slaves responsibility/fault.

I would just like to see Him once, accepting that occasionally the Dom/Master may have erred.




RCdc -> RE: when a d/s relationship becomes pimp/prostitute (11/14/2009 3:48:03 PM)

I didn't see NZ place blame on anyone.  Assign responsibility maybe, but I didn't see him proportion any blame.
Unlike most posters who respond to females who post about bad stuff that happened to them because they were with a man.
It's always the same .... badman/notadom/fake/user/predator.

How about instead - fucked up man finds fucked up female and they fuck up some more?

the.dark.




Santoro -> RE: when a d/s relationship becomes pimp/prostitute (11/14/2009 3:52:37 PM)

Question, what of being responsible, first to yourself, and then accepting the consequences of decisions you make?




NihilusZero -> RE: when a d/s relationship becomes pimp/prostitute (11/14/2009 3:52:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: frazzle

Every thread ive seen NZ comment on recently, says its the sub/slaves responsibility/fault.

Funny, I don't recall using the word "fault" in this or that thread. And "responsibility" is an issue for each person in a relationship. Pretty sure my comments elsewhere will match up to this.

quote:

ORIGINAL: frazzle

I would just like to see Him once, accepting that occasionally the Dom/Master may have erred.

Define what you mean by "err".




NihilusZero -> RE: when a d/s relationship becomes pimp/prostitute (11/14/2009 4:01:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

How about instead - fucked up man finds fucked up female and they fuck up some more?

That works.

I'm just not entirely keen on folks who, during the interaction, act as if they are okay with the fucking up but, later down the line once the relationships is over, find some retroactive guilt that they feel they should have had before the breakup.

I've been hurt by bad breakups in the past. I don't go about telling myself how I should have "seen" the truth about what was happening or claim I was used or manipulated after the fact. I understood what I had and, even during the arguments, took into consideration whether I should move forward or not. Sometimes I stayed longer than would have been ideal, sometimes I stayed less. My choices.

But, yes...if you're interested in pointing the finger, sometimes I screwed up, sometimes they screwed up. Even after those things happen, though, we are still each responsible for using those events and the information wrought from them to decide if we should move forward.

At very least, even if we happen to be emotionally pliable and frail, we should be introspective and mature enough to know that about ourselves so we can be at least semi-adequate watchdogs of our actions.

Or do some of us need emotional chaperones even after passing the age of legal maturity?




frazzle -> RE: when a d/s relationship becomes pimp/prostitute (11/14/2009 4:01:51 PM)

I wont pull up a dictionary definition and print out.

But to err means to have made a mistake.

As human beings we all make them, what ever side of the kneel.

To say to an S-type that they have to accept and not question, because the D-type is always right, just doesnt work in a relationship.




NihilusZero -> RE: when a d/s relationship becomes pimp/prostitute (11/14/2009 4:07:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: frazzle

To say to an S-type that they have to accept and not question, because the D-type is always right, just doesnt work in a relationship.

Not for submissives, if they do not choose, no.

Slaves and property, however, do (presuming they have any intent to not be hypocritical). But, I still think you missed my differentiation between subjective and verifiable from the last thread.

A Dom saying: "The Detroit Lions won last year's SuperBowl." would be in error. This is verifiable.
A Dom saying: "You cheated on me." would not be. This is subjective. Granted, it can be argued that said Dom moved the goalposts of his definition of "cheating" after a certain event...and while that technically would be an error of insufficient introspection and self-understanding (if not intentionally lying, but I can't imagine why that sort of event would happen for intentional reasons of the Dom was in the position to put the goalposts where s/he wanted from the get-go...), it doesn't change the fact that s/he views it as cheating and, by virtue of how a lot of D/s relationships and most M/s relationships work, his/her interpretations are prioritized.

(Note: I need to get back in the habit of using Calla's pronouns. Makes things much easier.)




frazzle -> RE: when a d/s relationship becomes pimp/prostitute (11/14/2009 4:17:24 PM)

So he saw me hugging my brother, that he hadnt met!!!!

How does that make His perceptions right and the facts wrong.





MaamJay -> RE: when a d/s relationship becomes pimp/prostitute (11/14/2009 4:28:26 PM)

Getting back to the OP - I am both D and s so I have understandings and perspectives from both sides of the kneel. I know that as both D and s, I would not have become involved in a situation like yours as it would have transgressed my moral values. So not only would i not do that as a submissive (though it is a hot fantasy for me it would never become reality), neither would I as a Domme ask this of a sub of Mine. Being involved in D/s shouldn't make anyone discard their own morals/ethics/life principles. I am only interested in consensual activities which is why I don't even play "forcing" games, and don't believe it is ethical to hold out a collar like a carrot and make a sub do something which is physically and emotionally harmful to get it.

I had a good relationship with my Dad, and miss him a lot even though he died back in 1994. I still treasure all the things he made with his own hands out of wood. I have never been abused or molested, let alone raped, though I did make a couple of bad choices of one night stands along the way. The worst was definitely the guy with a 12" cock who carried around a ruler to prove it LMAO! Gosh he was one boring fuck (in both senses of the word) and about the only one I chucked out of the house well before sunrise. However, even at the time I acknowledged they were MY freewill choices, just not good ones! I lived (because I took safe sex precautions long before AIDS was heard of! I always thought syphilis etc wasn't worth risking), and I learned.

As a sub i have lived 24/7 with Master since June 2004. He finds it hard to find permanent work because He has some physical limitations, so in one sense, He lives off my earnings more often than not. When He has had work however, He is very diligent and gives 100% of His best and what He earned ended up in the family pool of money. The recession has hit His industry hard here though, being "luxury items" that people can do without. However, He more than holds up His end of the bargain in the things He does AND, even though i have submitted control of finances willingly to Him, He never spends anything on Himself without discussing it with me. In fact, even general household purchases are usually discussed too. i have always said and He has agreed, that if it ever got to me feeling like i am being used financially, i am to express this bluntly and if things don't change, i should leave. For as others have said, rule #1 is to protect myself ... even from Him if i had to.

I do hope porcelain 20 you can come to a better understanding of yourself. If you can get to therapy, would be a good idea. It seems you have some medical issues too, which may make it harder for you to control your impulsivity and to make reasoned and balanced decisions at your tender age. Take time, get to know yourself, work out for yourself what your morals are, where your hard boundaries are. They may have been transgressed this time, doesn't mean they are gone forever, you can reinstate them. If so, you will need to forgive yourself for what has occurred and promise yourself that you will do a better job next time of protecting yourself. While most subs feel protected by their Doms, it doesn't abdicate our own responsibility for self-protection. It's almost like they add another layer around our own, rather than stripping it away.

As to responsbility ... that belongs to both people in a relationship. He was irresponsible in what he asked of you ... you were irresponsible in accepting it and doing it. No one gets off scot free here. It's not so much a matter of blame ... that is a destructive force and doesn't really do any good at all to anyone. I always remember that when you point the finger at someone, there are 3 more pointing back at you! So it's not a matter of "fault" or it always being the sub's fault, there is usually fault on both sides if you look. I think it's more appropriate to consider responsibility ... because each person owns that.

Good luck OP
Maam Jay aka violet[A]




RCdc -> RE: when a d/s relationship becomes pimp/prostitute (11/14/2009 4:29:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: frazzle

So he saw me hugging my brother, that he hadnt met!!!!

How does that make His perceptions right and the facts wrong.


It doesn't.  It just makes poor communication between two people.  No blame, just responsibility.

the.dark.




NihilusZero -> RE: when a d/s relationship becomes pimp/prostitute (11/14/2009 4:35:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: frazzle

So he saw me hugging my brother, that he hadnt met!!!!

How does that make His perceptions right and the facts wrong.

You are interjecting new hypothetical scenarios into the thread.




Falkenstein -> RE: when a d/s relationship becomes pimp/prostitute (11/14/2009 4:37:04 PM)

I would like you to remember a basic thing: You are the nearest person to you, and your own well being should be your first priority. A master/dominant or whatever will have basically the same goal: your happiness. His own one will always come second, at least in is own mind.(of course you will feel otherwise, but this is another matter)

When I was an officer, I could not eat before my soldiers were served and my tanks serviced. It may sound weird, but even starving in the middle of the winter, my backpack full of goodies, I did not even feel hungry until my duties were achieved.

Your boyfriend does not feel that way. I am extremly sorry to say so, but In my opinion, he is not a gentleman.

Much to my regreet, I am not on your continent, otherwise I would throw my hat on the ring, but I think you should consider looking for a passing master here. You may also consider speaking with the local submissive women. They are made of a strong alliage and will give you a better advice that I ever could.

Be seeing you

Henry




frazzle -> RE: when a d/s relationship becomes pimp/prostitute (11/14/2009 4:38:47 PM)

Im confused as where blame and responsibility come into that scenario.

Ive been there, he accused, wouldnt hear an explaination. He already had the whole scenario set up in his head.

According to some, it was my fault he didnt understand. his not listening to reason was also my fault. I should have apologised for making Him think these things!!!!! yeah right

Oh and that was the end. I will not fall to my knees and apologise for doing nothing wrong.




MaamJay -> RE: when a d/s relationship becomes pimp/prostitute (11/14/2009 4:46:36 PM)

OK frazzle, since you seem determined to hijack this thread with your own issues ...

I could still see responsibility possibly lacking on both sides in your scenario. Certainly he is acting like an idiot if he goes off half-cocked and won't hear an explanation. That's his lack of responsibility. However, had you ever told him you HAD a brother? If you were being responsibly open and transparent he should have known that ... in which case this sorry mess might not have happened as he may (if he had a brain) have entertained that possibility. In that case, you could have fallen to your knees and apologised for not having mentioned the brother previously. (There's usually something for BOTH sides to apologise about in a disagreement!). However, IF you had told him that before, and he forgot or still didn't think that might have been the case, then all bets are off. He's a twit and you're better off without him!

Maam Jay aka violet[A]




frazzle -> RE: when a d/s relationship becomes pimp/prostitute (11/14/2009 4:55:38 PM)

I was not hijacking the thread. i was responding to someone who replied to it.

Seems opinions outside the norm arent welcomed by some.





MaamJay -> RE: when a d/s relationship becomes pimp/prostitute (11/14/2009 5:12:00 PM)

Where did I say your opinion was outside the norm? In fact, where did I comment on your opinion at all? And where did I say it wasn't welcome?

However you raised this scenario independent of anyone else. And you did so in a post without reference at all to the OP, reproduced below. Vis-a-vis ... you are hijacking this thread. I also note you didn't comment on My specific answer to this scenario that you raised. Maybe My opinions aren't welcomed if they don't happen to dovetail with yours? In which case, why mention it at all if you've already made up your mind about it?

Maam Jay aka violet[A]

quote:

So he saw me hugging my brother, that he hadnt met!!!!

How does that make His perceptions right and the facts wrong.




frazzle -> RE: when a d/s relationship becomes pimp/prostitute (11/14/2009 5:19:47 PM)

Anyone i was in a relationship with, would know i had brothers, a son etc.

My specific point was, yes the OP checked common sense at the front door. Note she hasnt come back.

But a certain posters view in any thread was that responsibility etc landed on the sub/slave.






RCdc -> RE: when a d/s relationship becomes pimp/prostitute (11/14/2009 5:35:42 PM)

You are projecting way ott.  You want to start a thread on yourself?  Feel free and I'll dig and answer, lots of people will.  But this is about the OPs issue, not yours.

the.dark.




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