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RE: Climategate - 12/20/2009 8:36:35 AM

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You and several others here keep referring to the "CRU" as if there is only one. When, in fact, many of you did not know the difference between Hadley and East Anglia.

As was reported in the intial stories of the breaking scandal, RML. As the facts came out further and clearer, we saw just how widespread the conspiracy to conceal data and lie to the world was. An intelligent defender of the faith probably wouldn't choose to focus on that in hopes of scoring a cheap point, but then, you are you, aren't you?

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RE: Climategate - 12/20/2009 11:17:31 AM

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You and several others here keep referring to the "CRU" as if there is only one. When, in fact, many of you did not know the difference between Hadley and East Anglia.

As was reported in the intial stories of the breaking scandal, RML. As the facts came out further and clearer, we saw just how widespread the conspiracy to conceal data and lie to the world was. An intelligent defender of the faith probably wouldn't choose to focus on that in hopes of scoring a cheap point, but then, you are you, aren't you?

Heritic, a drowning man will grab for a matchstick.

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RE: Climategate - 12/20/2009 1:34:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

You and several others here keep referring to the "CRU" as if there is only one. When, in fact, many of you did not know the difference between Hadley and East Anglia.

As was reported in the intial stories of the breaking scandal, RML. As the facts came out further and clearer, we saw just how widespread the conspiracy to conceal data and lie to the world was. An intelligent defender of the faith probably wouldn't choose to focus on that in hopes of scoring a cheap point, but then, you are you, aren't you?

Heritic, a drowning man will grab for a matchstick.

And use it to burn the data as his last remaining act. It gurantees sainthood in the Church of the Latter Day Charlatans.

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RE: Climategate - 12/21/2009 11:32:43 AM

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A point by point example of how the "peer review" process was skewed and "worked" by the AGW "climatologists":

December 20, 2009
A Climatology Conspiracy?
By David H. Douglass and John R. Christy

This is a fairly detailed step by step analysis of a single work that wasn't supportive of AGW, and what the "AGW in-group" did to stop, delay and and minimize the work.

Firm

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RE: Climategate - 12/21/2009 11:37:18 AM

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You and several others here keep referring to the "CRU" as if there is only one. When, in fact, many of you did not know the difference between Hadley and East Anglia.

As was reported in the intial stories of the breaking scandal, RML. As the facts came out further and clearer, we saw just how widespread the conspiracy to conceal data and lie to the world was. An intelligent defender of the faith probably wouldn't choose to focus on that in hopes of scoring a cheap point, but then, you are you, aren't you?

I guess not.

Because when someone doesn't present the facts correctly in their initial argument my bullshit meter starts to peg.

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RE: Climategate - 12/21/2009 11:40:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

You and several others here keep referring to the "CRU" as if there is only one. When, in fact, many of you did not know the difference between Hadley and East Anglia.

As was reported in the intial stories of the breaking scandal, RML. As the facts came out further and clearer, we saw just how widespread the conspiracy to conceal data and lie to the world was. An intelligent defender of the faith probably wouldn't choose to focus on that in hopes of scoring a cheap point, but then, you are you, aren't you?

I guess not.

Because when someone doesn't present the facts correctly in their initial argument my bullshit meter starts to peg.

hmmm .... interesting position.

So, you then agree, that since the AGW "scientists" obviously failed to present the initial warming data correctly, then all of their claims and assumptions afterwards should make all of our "bullshit meters" to start pegging?

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RE: Climategate - 12/21/2009 2:20:14 PM

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FR:

A point by point example of how the "peer review" process was skewed and "worked" by the AGW "climatologists":

December 20, 2009
A Climatology Conspiracy?
By David H. Douglass and John R. Christy

This is a fairly detailed step by step analysis of a single work that wasn't supportive of AGW, and what the "AGW in-group" did to stop, delay and and minimize the work.

Firm

And yet the adherents will cry "peer reviewed peer reviewed peer reviewed" and not understand that when the peer review process is contaminated like this, it isnt worth the pixels and print used to publish it.

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RE: Climategate - 1/28/2010 5:02:10 PM

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The Times
Scientists in stolen e-mail scandal hid climate data
Ben Webster, Environment Editor, and Jonathan Leake
January 28, 2010

The university at the centre of the climate change row over stolen e-mails broke the law by refusing to hand over its raw data for public scrutiny.

The University of East Anglia breached the Freedom of Information Act by refusing to comply with requests for data concerning claims by its scientists that man-made emissions were causing global warming.

The Information Commissioner’s Office decided that UEA failed in its duties under the Act but said that it could not prosecute those involved because the complaint was made too late, The Times has learnt. The ICO is now seeking to change the law to allow prosecutions if a complaint is made more than six months after a breach.

I can hear the rebuttals next year ... "They are innocent! They were never convicted of breaking the law!"

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RE: Climategate - 1/28/2010 6:38:46 PM

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With no intent of hijacking, Firm, there is another another environmental "science" scandal breaking here in CA.

California Ignores Scientific Protests, Passes New Diesel Regulations

You might get a kick out of this part;

In the biggest scandal, opposition scientists found the lead author of the key study by CARB had faked his Ph.D. and lacked expertise in air pollution research. In addition, CARB hired reviewers to review their own papers, naturally resulting in approval of the scientific studies that claimed the death and health effects.

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RE: Climategate - 1/28/2010 6:46:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

With no intent of hijacking, Firm, there is another another environmental "science" scandal breaking here in CA.

California Ignores Scientific Protests, Passes New Diesel Regulations

You might get a kick out of this part;

In the biggest scandal, opposition scientists found the lead author of the key study by CARB had faked his Ph.D. and lacked expertise in air pollution research. In addition, CARB hired reviewers to review their own papers, naturally resulting in approval of the scientific studies that claimed the death and health effects.

Hey! I bet, since he "found out some stuff" that makes it all ok, doesn't it? "Fake but true." is acceptable now, in our society, ain't it?

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RE: Climategate - 1/28/2010 6:50:21 PM

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As California goes, so goes the rest of the country. Right down the drain.

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RE: Climategate - 1/28/2010 9:52:07 PM

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With no intent of hijacking, Firm, there is another another environmental "science" scandal breaking here in CA.

California Ignores Scientific Protests, Passes New Diesel Regulations

You might get a kick out of this part;

In the biggest scandal, opposition scientists found the lead author of the key study by CARB had faked his Ph.D. and lacked expertise in air pollution research. In addition, CARB hired reviewers to review their own papers, naturally resulting in approval of the scientific studies that claimed the death and health effects.

Dont know if its covered in the link or not but the study supporting the rulings used data from West Virginia and another state, not California, and the impact was based on diesel use at the height of the Ca economy. The board acknowledged that today, and still voted to push forward on the rules.

If they stand it will cost 1 million jobs in Ca.

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RE: Climategate - 1/28/2010 10:14:34 PM

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Oh please; the state set new tougher emissions standards for diesel trucks.

The wailing we hear "Oh noes, its gonna cut jobs!" is exactly the same arguments they used to oppose fuel economy standards in the 80's, tailpipe emission standards in the 70's, and getting rid of lead in the 1960's.

And yet, we survived, and today the air is cleaner in Los Angeles than it was when we were born. Almost entirely because of rules like the one the state just imposed.

It boggles the mind that some people are agitating for more pollution, rather than less. Here's a graph showing the declining levels of air pollution in the Bay Area since 1969-
so exactly how much more smog would you prefer to see in our air?

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RE: Climategate - 1/28/2010 10:32:47 PM

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Here's a graph showing the declining levels of air pollution in the Bay Area since 1969

So let's see, per your chart, the new regulations aren't really needed, independent sources indicate no current relationship with deaths, and there are conflicts of interest between the regulators and scientists (including one fake Ph.D.) supporting them. Yep, sounds like you're right... it boggles the mind.

K.

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RE: Climategate - 1/28/2010 10:40:27 PM

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Oh please; the state set new tougher emissions standards for diesel trucks.

Oh bullshit, Rex. The law goes a hell of a lot farther than that. It regulates and taxes the fuck out of every piece of heavy equipment out there. We are talking about machines that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, and are designed to last for decades. This is the pre-meditated murder of thousands of small businesses in my state, and it is based on a lie.

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RE: Climategate - 1/29/2010 9:50:56 AM

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It boggles the mind that some people are agitating for more pollution

The new initiative has nothing to do with past policies and results. The problem is we have an 'expert' who got his credentials from a match book cover 'school' setting policy with a peer review conducted by the same 'experts' who sold the theory. That's science?

Meanwhile....

The LA Times, in an unexplained lapse of balanced journalism, reports that 30% of the ozone -- one of the primary components of photochemical smog, found in the skies above the Western United States during the spring -- comes from the coal-fired factories of East Asia (primarily China and India).

The rich, urban environmentalists have weathered the current recession well enough to continue advocating for their oppressive regulation of every consumer product known and used by Californians while the average California family faces unbelievable hardship. Farmers in the Central Valley have had their livelihoods destroyed and farm workers and their families rely on food banks to survive as a result of federal courts (at the request of said Robin Hoods) prioritizing fish over Californians. Many small owner-operated truckers, well drillers, small construction firms and a host of others reliant on older diesel engines will be shut down completely based on the actions of our Robin Hood agency, aka CARB, despite flawed scientific data from a scientist who lied about his academic credentials. Small businesses across California continue to barely avoid bankruptcy as they look ahead to the spread of the carbon tax to every area of our lives and wonder how much longer they can survive. Strike three.

It boggles the mind that any people are supporting religious fanaticism as 'science'; at a cost to industry and enterprise. Incredible also that the same people who laugh at the science of 'creationism' seem to have no problem with the global warming religion's faith based 'science'.

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RE: Climategate - 1/29/2010 9:54:46 AM

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Oh please; the state set new tougher emissions standards for diesel trucks.

Oh bullshit, Rex. The law goes a hell of a lot farther than that. It regulates and taxes the fuck out of every piece of heavy equipment out there. We are talking about machines that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, and are designed to last for decades. This is the pre-meditated murder of thousands of small businesses in my state, and it is based on a lie.

At least he gives good reason for animus...against his not having a clue.

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RE: Climategate - 1/29/2010 10:06:44 AM

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http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onrdiesel/onrdiesel.htm

perhaps you should read the regulations. seems like wilbur is clueless as usual and Rich is rather overstating the case.

Ron

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RE: Climategate - 1/29/2010 10:09:40 AM

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If you say it loud enough and long enough It becomes the truth.

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RE: Climategate - 1/29/2010 10:17:19 AM

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http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onrdiesel/onrdiesel.htm

perhaps you should read the regulations. seems like wilbur is clueless as usual and Rich is rather overstating the case.

Ron

a sincere fuck you. Ive sat in on Air Quality hearings because it affects some investments of mine. I know exactly what its all about, and 1 million jobs lost is best case.

This might give you half a clue:

and it doesnt even address the havoc it will cause in the Mojave cement industry

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