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Aynne88 -> RE: Misogyny and BDSM (1/7/2010 7:26:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

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ORIGINAL: Psychonaut23

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ORIGINAL: wisdomtogive
If he really is manic - depressive and is cycling like this, he needs medical help, which i hope he will get. Cycling is uncontrolable without the proper meds; 


That's just what Big Pharma wants you to believe.



So does that mean that despite being given this diagnosis:

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I've been diagnosed as manic with non-psychotic tendencies.

It's why I've slept eight hours in the last four days.


you don't take meds because it's some kind of conspiracy by Big Pharma? Or have you convinced yourself you don't need them?





Hey sexy, I absolutely think that some people need meds, but I also think that Big Pharma is a huge drug peddler no better than the guy on the street corner. It's a quandry I know, but 20 years ago were all kids diagnosed with ADD and on adderrol and ritalin?




kdsub -> RE: Misogyny and BDSM (1/7/2010 7:27:13 PM)

Whay would anyone hate girls....on a forum like this?

Butch




zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Misogyny and BDSM (1/7/2010 7:35:45 PM)

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Hey sexy, I absolutely think that some people need meds, but I also think that Big Pharma is a huge drug peddler no better than the guy on the street corner. It's a quandry I know, but 20 years ago were all kids diagnosed with ADD and on adderrol and ritalin?


True, I think ADD and such are mis and over diagnosed, but in the case of the diagnosis he claims to have had, meds are necessary. If he were off the meds he would not be posting nearly as rationally so either he is on the meds and therefore not manic or this was just another piece of bullshit. Personally I think the latter although it is clear he is not psychologically sound, his lack of remorse and empathy, not to mention his huge ego show that. I just wanted to get his views on this.





SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: Misogyny and BDSM (1/7/2010 7:37:49 PM)

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Jeff
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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Not to spoil all this by hoping back on topic, but I was just talking to a woman who recently dumped a man.

He is keeps calling and calling. I think women as a sweeping generalization, are emotionally tougher than men,

Nothing is colder than a woman who has made up her mind. 15 to 95, nothing. I wonder if some men don't resent that.

Just a random thought.

Jeff


The female of the species is far more cold and deadly than the male. :^)

It's boils down to this. Actions have consequences.

If one chooses to engage in X actions and they have been told that Y consequences will then be enforced and you then choose to engage in those self same X actions...then don't be fucking surprised when those consequences that you've been told will happen actually take place.




Aswad -> RE: Misogyny and BDSM (1/7/2010 7:38:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Psychonaut23

You know why I don't like most people?  I could easily tell you all my darkest, deepest, most embarassing secrets, give you the ammunition to totally rip into pieces, and STILL the vast majority of you wouldn't be able to come up with a single decent one-liner, or a crack I haven't heard a million times before.


And still you find yourself ... here.

Health,
al-Aswad.




Aynne88 -> RE: Misogyny and BDSM (1/7/2010 7:45:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck

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Jeff
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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Not to spoil all this by hoping back on topic, but I was just talking to a woman who recently dumped a man.

He is keeps calling and calling. I think women as a sweeping generalization, are emotionally tougher than men,

Nothing is colder than a woman who has made up her mind. 15 to 95, nothing. I wonder if some men don't resent that.

Just a random thought.

Jeff


The female of the species is far more cold and deadly than the male. :^)

It's boils down to this. Actions have consequences.

If one chooses to engage in X actions and they have been told that Y consequences will then be enforced and you then choose to engage in those self same X actions...then don't be fucking surprised when those consequences that you've been told will happen actually take place.



Oh that is the truest statement here so far. Ruthless. Truly.




Aswad -> RE: Misogyny and BDSM (1/7/2010 7:48:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: EbonyWood

But did you see the parts where he HATES to be talked about in the 3rd person?


Maybe he has parent issues?

Would be downright insensitive to poke at that, though.

Health,
al-Aswad.




Aswad -> RE: Misogyny and BDSM (1/7/2010 7:57:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kimveri

Dude, you just pulled this sob-story off someone's blog, din't ya?


He probably did. But it's probably not far off the mark, either.

Much of his behavior is consistent with having had his parents shout at each other, them talking about him as a problem without talking to him about those things, and possibly having attempted (and failed) at pulling attention to himself out of some need to stop the grownups from harping on each other.

Health,
al-Aswad.




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Misogyny and BDSM (1/7/2010 7:58:35 PM)

He is a self professed writer, so I am sure he has all kinds of stories. He also professes to be a discordian, or at least an accomplice to such, which means do not believe a single thing he says. He has said many times he does this for entertainment, and with the intent to yank chains. Never underestimate someone who has shown some of the disorders that someone like him has.

If he admits he says things to just set people up to fuck with them, how can you know this is not a set up?


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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

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ORIGINAL: Kimveri

Aynne, luscious!

[sm=discipline.gif]

Stop being unexpectedly nice to the manic-man! You encourage the irrational shifts in mood when you do that! While such instantaneous changes in direction are readily accomodated by the healthy psyche, HE isn't appropriately equipped to keep pace!

Geeez, the unbounded cruelty of you wimmins just amazes me....makes me proud too, but truly amazes me!

[sm=flowers.gif]


Beautiful Kimveri, I know, he has been not so nice to me, or my friends, but goddamn it, I have that liberal bleeding heart, then he mentioned the damn dog thing....got to me. We'll see, maybe he wants to mend fences, if not, you know I am fully armed! Besides, I am no innocent in this either. ;) Or any other aspect of my life. So dull, that innocent thing!





Lucienne -> RE: Misogyny and BDSM (1/7/2010 8:10:02 PM)

FR

How have you fuckers added over ten pages since I last checked in?

ETA: Oh my... I'm only on page 57 and I've got a pretty good idea how this has so many additional pages.




kittinSol -> RE: Misogyny and BDSM (1/7/2010 8:12:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

If he admits he says things to just set people up to fuck with them, how can you know this is not a set up?



He can say things to people just to fuck with them. It won't make him any more capable of saying things to people just so that he can fuck them.




kittinSol -> RE: Misogyny and BDSM (1/7/2010 8:13:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucienne

How have you fuckers added over ten pages since I last checked in?



Looks like January spawned a monster.




Aswad -> RE: Misogyny and BDSM (1/7/2010 8:20:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Does this sound like anyone? Thought my vague and obscure reference did go by many people not versed in it, so I have linked this to a wiki article:


Narcissism as a personality disorder isn't necessarily correct, depending on how he is offline.

However, it does fit with deMause's work, where a narcissistic personality type is associated with a late infanticidal stage relationship between parents and child, while a masochistic personality type is associated with a relationship that is characterized by abandonment. From his descriptions here, he would make a decent datapoint in the model, seeking negative attention, derision, scorn and the like, while also having a narcissistic streak.

That corresponds well with the backdrop he provided, suggesting:

(a) One parent was detached, didn't care much, and just wanted him out of the house.
(b) The other parent didn't care, and wouldn't have a problem killing him, given a reason.

The model also notes that the second parent would have no inhibitions against unmentionable interactions.

Health,
al-Aswad.




Aswad -> RE: Misogyny and BDSM (1/7/2010 8:26:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

LOL...If Psycho wants to pick nits, he's picked the wrong motherfucker!

I say that with all due respect and appreciation Aswad..:)


Hugs to you, too, Jeff. [:D]

Health,
al-Aswad.




Aynne88 -> RE: Misogyny and BDSM (1/7/2010 8:40:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

He is a self professed writer, so I am sure he has all kinds of stories. He also professes to be a discordian, or at least an accomplice to such, which means do not believe a single thing he says. He has said many times he does this for entertainment, and with the intent to yank chains. Never underestimate someone who has shown some of the disorders that someone like him has.

If he admits he says things to just set people up to fuck with them, how can you know this is not a set up?


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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

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ORIGINAL: Kimveri

Aynne, luscious!

[sm=discipline.gif]

Stop being unexpectedly nice to the manic-man! You encourage the irrational shifts in mood when you do that! While such instantaneous changes in direction are readily accomodated by the healthy psyche, HE isn't appropriately equipped to keep pace!

Geeez, the unbounded cruelty of you wimmins just amazes me....makes me proud too, but truly amazes me!

[sm=flowers.gif]


Beautiful Kimveri, I know, he has been not so nice to me, or my friends, but goddamn it, I have that liberal bleeding heart, then he mentioned the damn dog thing....got to me. We'll see, maybe he wants to mend fences, if not, you know I am fully armed! Besides, I am no innocent in this either. ;) Or any other aspect of my life. So dull, that innocent thing!




Orion I know, I hate the empathy gene, I just yanked it out with my common sense and Kimveri's talons. [;)]




Aynne88 -> RE: Misogyny and BDSM (1/7/2010 8:42:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Does this sound like anyone? Thought my vague and obscure reference did go by many people not versed in it, so I have linked this to a wiki article:


Narcissism as a personality disorder isn't necessarily correct, depending on how he is offline.

However, it does fit with deMause's work, where a narcissistic personality type is associated with a late infanticidal stage relationship between parents and child, while a masochistic personality type is associated with a relationship that is characterized by abandonment. From his descriptions here, he would make a decent datapoint in the model, seeking negative attention, derision, scorn and the like, while also having a narcissistic streak.

That corresponds well with the backdrop he provided, suggesting:

(a) One parent was detached, didn't care much, and just wanted him out of the house.
(b) The other parent didn't care, and wouldn't have a problem killing him, given a reason.

The model also notes that the second parent would have no inhibitions against unmentionable interactions.

Health,
al-Aswad.



Damn my wishy washy stance, now I am thinking solipsism.




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Misogyny and BDSM (1/7/2010 8:50:43 PM)

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Aswad -> RE: Misogyny and BDSM (1/7/2010 9:24:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

I guess I don't understand something basic about what you said, although it seems rational. For me, I would act on all of these cases only out of emotion, be it anger, justice, compassion, rage, I don't even think morality comes into play for me. They are just wrong. I would act on them even if unable to stop them, because by my very nature I don't care if I am unable to stop it, watching it happen and dong nothing is to me compliance.


Gladly. I hope it's clearer this way:

We start with a situation. In this situation, I can act. Morality- in brief- tells me whether an action is required, prohibited, or allowed. In the example of an adult beating up a child, I will desire to stop it. If my morals allow me to interfere, I will, because that is what I wish to do. If my morals require me to interfere, such as from obligation to the community, then again I will, because it is what is right (for me) to do. If my morals prohibit me from interfering, presumably due to a more important moral directive, then I will restrain my desire to act. The degree of success in exercising restraint when I wish to do something, or compelling action when I do not, is the degree to which I am able to comply with my morality.

Again in the same example of an adult beating up a child, the desire to act stems from several sources, most notably a sense of contempt for the adult, as directing excessive violence against an essentially defenseless person will register on me as a sort of malignant cowardice. I will also empathize with the child, but the prime motivator to act will be how I feel about the attacker. This also influences the response. For instance, if a stranger were beating up a child in the neighbourhood, my reaction to the stranger would be in full force, and the sense of communal loyalty to the child ("our" child) would strengthen the reaction, and chances are the stranger would end up in the ER or morgue. However, if a friend were beating up a child I had never seen before, I would probably attempt to restrain him/her instead, and ask what the hell was going on. Absent a satisfactory answer, that friendship would likely end as a result. (And it's kind of hard to picture a satisfactory answer outside a wartime situation, cf. kamikaze bomb kids in Vietnam, etc.)

I am more concerned with what is tolerable vs intolerable than with right vs wrong, though.

And, yes, I consider failure preferrable to not making the attempt to act.

Short of it: beating up a little kid just rubs me the wrong way.

Morality determines how and if I get to rub back.

Does that explain it well enough?

Health,
al-Aswad.





zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Misogyny and BDSM (1/7/2010 9:28:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Psychonaut23

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth
So does that mean that despite being given this diagnosis:

quote:

I've been diagnosed as manic with non-psychotic tendencies.

It's why I've slept eight hours in the last four days.


you don't take meds because it's some kind of conspiracy by Big Pharma? Or have you convinced yourself you don't need them?


They put me on something or other when I was 21, and it made me into a zombie.  I almost killed myself, it was pretty ugly.  So I quit using the pharma drugs and turned to other alternatives.  Talk therapy, mediatation,  and a deep exploration of the occult that began when I was 23 helped me to develop the mental skills necessary to accurately gauge where my mental state is at and how to not just cope, but to harness and shape those drives into something useful and productive.

For example, yesterday while arging with y'all, I also got all of the paperwork for the extension class I'm taking at the UW taken care, cleaned the kitchen, restocked the fridge, wrote 12,000 words, and made the spreader bar you can see in my post to the Bondage Accessories forum (which reqired quite a bit of work).  And after I made that post, I dyed the leather like I said I would.  And that was in one day.

I did forget to eat yesterday though.  This is why I need a sub in my life.  Someone who will remember to make meals when I'm going to fast to think about my stomach.  And shit, just imagine how much I'd get done if I wasn't always getting bogged down in tedious and uncreative housework.

Really, I think my mania is only a problem for me when it becomes insomnia, and I can (mostly) prevent that by mainting strict sleep discipline.  I make myself lay down for six hours in the dark every night (or morning at least), even if I can only sleep for two of them, and I nothing is ever allowed to happen in my bed but sleep.  No reading, no food, no sex.  Sleep and sleep only.



Naaaa, you know what I think the others are right and you're just fucking with us.




zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Misogyny and BDSM (1/7/2010 9:39:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Psychonaut23

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth
Naaaa, you know what I think the others are right and you're just fucking with us.


...well that's true, but radical honesty is one of my favorite ways to fuck with people. 



Maybe so but once you've admitted to fucking with people's heads, it makes everything you say questionable at best. You've basically shot yourself in the foot because you won't be believed even if you do tell the truth.




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