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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 1/7/2010 9:40:24 PM

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Who is (a) supposed to be? I get that (b) is supposed to be my dad, but (a) is the exact opposite of how I described my mother. I mean I have breakfast with her every weekend. And I'm 33. Does it really sound like my mother is detached, doesn't care, or wanted me out of the house? I think that's a remarkably poor reading of the things I've said.

And my dad cares about me. He's just got a lot of self-hatred he doesn't know how to deal with a healthy way, and it comes out as abuse. He and I are still on speaking terms, even if we're not close.

Was talking about rearing, and a model of how certain personalities tend to develop from childhood trauma..

You exhibit two traits clustered along the part of the spectrum from where parents relate to children as things and thus outright disposable, to the part where parents relate to children without particular attachment. The two being adjacent, if the model is correct, would tend to suggest either the kind of relationships I commented, or that there was sufficient variability in your upbringing to account for the gap. The latter would tend to be associated with mild sociopathic features, while the former would not, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I'm not married to the model, by the way.

Incidentally, given that background, I'd be careful about assessing the degree of attachment she has.

As for your father, that's not surprising, if what you said about Vietnam is correct, given that children were targets and weapons there, necessitating the internalization of an attitude that children are disposables, so that there's nothing wrong with killing them. Upon return to normal society, that obviously has the potential to cause problems if he doesn't know how to readjust and get that shit out of his system. You may suggest writing, as that has been helpful for some, or just going back there and experiencing the place without a war going on, as a form of catharsis, or maybe charity work there if he's got backlogged guilt that he needs to get out (atonement works wonders for some, apparently).

The ethics thing, the reply to that will have to wait for tomorrow. We can't all be manic.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 1/7/2010 9:42:00 PM

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I did forget to eat yesterday though. This is why I need a sub in my life. Someone who will remember to make meals when I'm going to fast to think about my stomach. And shit, just imagine how much I'd get done if I wasn't always getting bogged down in tedious and uncreative housework.

I am not being facetious when I say I believe those needs would be better served by a nice young Russkaya who needs a green card.

No touchy touchy though. That's what a sub is for.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 1/7/2010 9:56:00 PM

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Naaaa, you know what I think the others are right and you're just fucking with us.

...well that's true, but radical honesty is one of my favorite ways to fuck with people.

Maybe so but once you've admitted to fucking with people's heads, it makes everything you say questionable at best. You've basically shot yourself in the foot because you won't be believed even if you do tell the truth.

Zephy hon, he's not trying to be believed, or get sympathy or anything. He's trying to get a response, and since he's really after any type of response, no matter what people do he'll be able to say Aha! I made you do that! And in a way he's right, because by responding to him, or responding despite him, or any response at all influenced by his posts, he can claim partial responsibility for.

Not sure if you know what Discordianism is...it's a pseudoreligion inspired by the Greek goddess of Chaos (Discordia) that tends to attract a certain personality type. I don't know much about the theory but in practice it seems that for them, agitating people is some sort of sublime zen art form. I really don't know what they believe, I'm not quite sure they know either. It's a lot of absurdism and "reality is whatever I'm thinking at this moment" type of stuff.

Anyway don't take it too seriously, even if his original intention wasn't just to fuck with people, he's now convinced himself that it is his sole intention, and until that state of mind wears off there's not much to do other than sit back and enjoy the lulz.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 1/7/2010 9:56:39 PM

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Maybe so but once you've admitted to fucking with people's heads, it makes everything you say questionable at best. You've basically shot yourself in the foot because you won't be believed even if you do tell the truth.

You don't have to make anything up to fuck with people's heads. In fact, I find it helps to not make things up.

That said, who do you really trust more, the guy who admits that the whole and unvarnished truth can't be communicate in words, and that everything he says is at best mostly true, or the person who says they never lie?

I find I trust the people who admit they lie more than the ones that don't. The ones that admit they lie aren't bullshitting you quite so completely.

Nevertheless, once someone has told me outright that they enjoy fucking with people's heads, I don't trust what they say, so I would have to be stupid - which I'm not - to believe you.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 1/7/2010 10:07:32 PM

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Ma bella donna, madonna Lisa.

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<3 the new pic.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 1/7/2010 10:25:01 PM

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Anyway don't take it too seriously, even if his original intention wasn't just to fuck with people, he's now convinced himself that it is his sole intention, and until that state of mind wears off there's not much to do other than sit back and enjoy the lulz.

The progression of position is as obvious as a slap in the face with a wet fish.

He is now at Fallback Position 4, where everything that preceded was a mindfuck.

However this only became the argument after the cataclysmic implosion of Positions 1-3, being:

1. Post my true actual feelings on this subject and hope that nobody notices that I really don't have well structured or supported views when challenged. And that, at heart, I am deeply misogynistic.

2. After discovering that I cannot get away with the bullshit of Position 1, become obtuse, obstinate, paranoid and so hypocritical that I will simply win admirers through sheer persistence.

3. After discovering that I cannot get away with the bullshit of Position 2 either, bring into the argument excuses for the behaviour of Positions 1 and 2 ie mental health, lack of sleep, having to do the dishes, it was my mother/father/hamster's fault. Throw in a touching dog story (Betty Page was a poor last minute reference.)

The bridge from 2 to 3 was a conveniently created mob mentality, and the actual paranoia fed perfectly into the mental disorder in 3.

So we are at 4 , the 'it was a mindfuck all along' story.

Ask me next time, we could have saved a lot of typing.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 1/7/2010 10:36:26 PM

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Predictions on #5?

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 1/7/2010 10:39:27 PM

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Hail Kallisti!

Aww, thanks! Hail back to you too!

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 1/7/2010 10:48:02 PM

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Whatever I state may be Position 5 will actually determine what it is, or what the subject wishes to project as being his position - because, as patently demonstrated, the subject is extremely reactionary.

This is not to suggest any great power of mine, rather the subject's obsessive desire to be percieved as being the manipulator, and not the manipulated.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 1/7/2010 11:00:53 PM

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Hmm. My prediction is that he'll get bored with this thread really soon and stop posting on it. Which means this thread will cease to entertain me.

Anyway this is the inspiration for my bouquet - my flowers are going to be real, and the lilies are going to be cream coloured tigerlilies, and instead of the little white filler flowers I'm having white orchids, but the roses and shape are the same.

Yeah I know it's totally OT but like...isn't it pretty! I can not wait to see it when it's complete.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 1/7/2010 11:36:52 PM

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Did you really just imply that my mother doesn't love me as much as I think she does?

No. I did not say, or imply, that.

But your choice to read it so, doesn't surprise me.

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100% Pure Grade A Asshat

Hey, Mikey, I think he likes it.

You indicated you wanted some light banter.

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No one is ever allowed to call me a pompous ass as long as Asswad is on this forum.

I haven't called you one yet ... as you said: tedious.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 1/7/2010 11:54:17 PM

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I'll put money on it.

I've seen enough of your abode to know you don't have any spare to lose.

And stop speaking directly to the grown ups.

You are the despised child in the story remember.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 1/8/2010 12:29:54 AM

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Elisabella! That is GORGEOUS!!!

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 1/8/2010 2:04:13 AM

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I think what you mean is that as more people dogpiled on me,

Classic paranoia.

Keep the $20. Put it in the redecoration fund.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 1/8/2010 4:32:50 AM

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Elisabella! That is GORGEOUS!!!

Thanks hon! My mom was totally jealous til I was like "you know you get a matching corsage right?"

:D

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 1/8/2010 4:34:29 AM

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$20 says you can't prove what you just claimed happened. Elisabella and NihilusZero as judges, make good through paypal.

I dunno about NZ but it'll cost you a lot more than $20 to get me to put enough effort into rereading this thread to determine whether it fits not one but five points of criteria.

Seriously. Won't do it for less than $25.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 1/8/2010 5:11:25 AM

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Random thoughts...

Ishy's pic is cool.

The Nietzsche "staring into the abyss" reference. Someone around here has that as their sig, attributed to Frank Nitti. I assume it's a joke. Regardless, it makes me smile.

Elisabella's proposed bouquet is pretty. Always the transgressor, using white orchids for a wedding!

What's in the water up in Seattle that a 6 foot 260 lb man would be frequently mistaken for a woman?

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 1/8/2010 5:17:28 AM

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I took that photo of Ishy :)

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 1/8/2010 5:32:34 AM

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You can never believe if he is or is not. He may well tell the truth on occasion, but based upon things he has exhibited and confessed to, no one will ever know if he is being truthful. He will never be able to teach someone, unless he validates every point from another source. He will not be able to just share things in his life, because it may just be from his mind. He will not be able to contribute to community very well, as he will always be eyed with suspicion. Those that are life this, often become reclusive, and become increasingly confused by human behavior, such to the point they start to place most human action into an "alien" category.

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth
Naaaa, you know what I think the others are right and you're just fucking with us.

...well that's true, but radical honesty is one of my favorite ways to fuck with people.

Maybe so but once you've admitted to fucking with people's heads, it makes everything you say questionable at best. You've basically shot yourself in the foot because you won't be believed even if you do tell the truth.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 1/8/2010 5:37:15 AM

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I took that photo of Ishy :)

Lovely composition.

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