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Predicament Bondage for the Wickedly Inclined - 1/9/2010 5:49:55 PM

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Not being a big fan of public events, I did make one exception and attend a quaint little workshop that Midori held here in Montréal back in 2004 focusing on predicament bondage and, at the time, discussed it here.

She did 3 demos. My favourite of the 3 began with her getting this cute little rugby player volunteer to strip down and tied his arms behind his back and ankles to a spreader bar. He was made to bend his knees and a string was tied to his balls and cock and then to the spreader bar. If he straightened his legs, it would stretch his genitals. If he kept his genitals comfortable, his thighs would burn. And she layered this with other predicaments and the scene lasted nearly an hour. He was actually impressive in his endurance and Midori radiant in her dominance and the scene was nothing less then thrilling.

I realised that without knowing the specifics of predicament bondage, that I practice it on a regular basis. This workshop was wonderful in that it helped me step outside myself and analyse my activities and get a better handle on the dynamics that I engage in. And much to my sub-at-the-time's pleasure/dismay (oh don’t we love those contractions), my mind went racing into a million variations on the theme!

Since then, it's been 5 years of coming up with new and innovative ways of creating predicaments. I've recreated the above mentioned Midori scene with my own variations. Other examples, just to list a few, are:
- Boy bent over with nipples in clover clamps tied to garters around thighs with caning or strap-on play. He must resist to rear up as it pulls.
- Testicles bound and tied with little slack to hands behind back, boy kneeling and having to lean forward to provide oral pleasure to me. He is conflicted between wanting to please me and feeling the strain.
- A quail egg gag set in place with eyelash glue while receiving any kind of rough, scream inducing play. Who wants raw egg in their mouth? Who wants to fail? This works well with boys with big egos ;-)

There are so many more in my bag of tricks but I'm sure you perverts have thought of 10 times more. Please share some of your clever ways of engaging in predicament bondage play or share an experience that was frightfully delightful.

- LA

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RE: Predicament Bondage for the Wickedly Inclined - 1/9/2010 8:27:53 PM

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Hi.

I like using a st andrews cross because it stops the sub from moving. Gives me control over every area of his body. hee hee

A Mistress friend of mine likes to use chains with small strong locks on them that requires locks. She showed me how she binds her subs with them but each lock uses a seperate key so it's a bit complicated.

I like using ropes. Lots of potential there. The tighter the better.

Hope this helps.

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RE: Predicament Bondage for the Wickedly Inclined - 1/9/2010 8:54:47 PM

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Ok! I was wondering when someone was going to break the ice! First thanks for responding AcademyForSlaves. I appreciate it.

That said, I don't see how what you presented was predicament bondage. Bondage, yes. Restrictive and strict bondage, yes. Complicated bondage, yes. But there is no conflict of desires in there.

Predicament bondage has to have the bottom in the situations stuck between a rock and hard place. If they move one way, it hurts but if they move another way to ease something up, something else pulls.

Here are a few more examples: http://www.leatherfamilyonline.com/full_story.cfm?i=55

I'm actually surprised that there isn't more about this floating around. It really is a truly evil way to torture someone ;-)

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RE: Predicament Bondage for the Wickedly Inclined - 1/9/2010 9:11:54 PM

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I've used it mostly in training and breaking of bad habits. I had one that when in postition on his knees he would eventually sit back on his rear and sometimes cross his legs...so I tied rope from his balls to his ankles so when he crossed them he got a pull. As for the sitting....he was bound, but I had a big plug inside so when he sat down it would push, plus when I would hear him groan I'd give him a little shock...had little electrodes on his balls

ahhhh...good times...lol

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RE: Predicament Bondage for the Wickedly Inclined - 1/9/2010 9:12:37 PM

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Hi.

Oops sorry about that. Sure I have some ideas.

-Having a candle underneath a suspended sub can get a bit painful but I've had fun watching.
-Keeping the sub blindfolded makes it really easy to catch him by surprise.
-Tying his balls with the same rope that you hogtie him with so when he pulls one way it yanks on his balls. Ouch.

I have to go check our site's galleries for more ideas to refresh my memory then post some more ideas here. Back soon...

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RE: Predicament Bondage for the Wickedly Inclined - 1/9/2010 9:20:04 PM

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DrkJourney: Those seem like they would be quite effective! I've never tried electrical play with PB but I can see the value!

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RE: Predicament Bondage for the Wickedly Inclined - 1/9/2010 9:25:35 PM

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Well with that one I had to step up the game mainly because he was an arrogant jerk that thought he knew everything, and nothing could touch him...so I did everything I could to get to him....really evil stuff that I' don't think I should say...lol

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RE: Predicament Bondage for the Wickedly Inclined - 1/9/2010 9:28:41 PM

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AcademyForSlaves, here are comments on the 3 scenarios you've presented:

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-Having a candle underneath a suspended sub can get a bit painful but I've had fun watching.

Well in this case, the situation would work if they had to keep a body part up in order to keep it away from the flame. Keeping their legs up to avoid the flame would create pain in the legs but taking just one moment to ease up will cause them to get closer to the flame.

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-Keeping the sub blindfolded makes it really easy to catch him by surprise.

Hmm... well a blindfold could add "edginess" to any predicament bondage play, but in itself, I don't see how it creates the predicament.

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-Tying his balls with the same rope that you hogtie him with so when he pulls one way it yanks on his balls. Ouch.

This is getting close. The things is, that you need to find two positions that they can shift back and forth two. You've figured out one way puts strain on his balls, but when he moves back the other way, where is the strain?

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RE: Predicament Bondage for the Wickedly Inclined - 1/10/2010 2:38:59 AM

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I once saw a really great porn in which the sub was bent backwards over a bench and cuffed into a hog-tie position in such a way that he could reach the locks. The key to those locks was firmly attached to the center of a chain strung between two rather strong nipple clamps, with just enough give in the chain that he could get the key into his mouth after much squirming and wriggling around. The position in and of itself was tiring and painful, but getting to the key took a ton of work and moving around, placing even more strain on those tired muscles. When he finally got the key, it took a strong, painful pull on those nipples to free it, then more maneuvering to get the key into his hands with the risk of dropping it somewhere it couldn't be reached. For a little extra fun, you could add a time limit with a reward or punishment attached to it. Make sure to place the timer where he can see or hear it.

A friend of mine once tied up a sub such that his hands were bound together behind his back, with a lead going from his hands to the back of a choke-chain training collar (with a safety ring installed to keep it from getting too tight), and another lead attached to his cock and balls. If his hands dropped too low, he'd get an uncomfortable tightness round his neck, and if he yanked them back up in response, there'd be a nice shock to his boy bits.

A new favorite game for me is place a bit gag in Trouble's mouth, strap him down, then crouch over his face just out of reach while he tries desperately to please me. More of a tease than a predicament, but lately I've been thinking of adding a collar with the potential to choke tethered to the bed to this setup.

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RE: Predicament Bondage for the Wickedly Inclined - 1/10/2010 9:23:36 AM

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Thanks NovelApproach! Those are some awesome ideas.

The key one is fun actually because there is a game involved. The ones with the choke-chain are interesting and I'm glad there is a safety (we always have to make sure to play safe!) but I would only venture down that path if I really understood how it worked. I like my man alive at the end of it all!

But thanks so much. I really do appreciate the contribution.

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RE: Predicament Bondage for the Wickedly Inclined - 1/10/2010 10:20:09 AM

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Choke-chains are used in dog training. Start with a fairly sturdy chain with a large ring on both ends, pull the chain through one of the rings, and you have a loop that tightens when you pull on the other end. Loop it around your sub's neck and figure out where exactly it goes from "that's really uncomfortable" to "Ma'am I can't breathe anymore" and affix a third ring larger than the other two a link or two before that point in the chain to keep it from getting dangerously tight. Its safe enough for me to feel comfortable with, and in case of emergency its really easy to loosen the choke chain manually.

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RE: Predicament Bondage for the Wickedly Inclined - 1/10/2010 10:25:03 AM

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There are pincher chains too, I'd imagine that would add a bit more pain before the choking point...

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RE: Predicament Bondage for the Wickedly Inclined - 1/10/2010 11:14:04 AM

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Predicament Bondage (PB) A conundrum of torture that combines mental bondage with real physical pain! <big smiles>

Which way does the slave choose to suffer physically, all the while driven by the mental desire to please it’s Owner!

And as it alternates it’s suffering … the Owner experiences true joy and pleasure!

Imagine a romantic evening between a Lady and Her slave.

Candles softly illuminating the darkness … romantic music playing … the slave attached to the St Andrews Cross, knees slightly bent … when the alligator clamps attached to a short chain are placed around the small middle of the cross and seductively attached to his genitals!

The Lady lovingly strokes the subject, as the pain in his legs and genitals reverberate.

She looks over Her collection of whips, floggers, crops and canes. Deciding the appropriate instrument with which to begin … a night of pleasure and pain …

The slave knows if he moves suddenly … the pain in his genitals will be excruciating … he also knows his legs are throbbing … and his derriere will soon be painfully red. he knows he will be choosing the pain …

And the Lady knows … it will be hours till sunup!

Indeed … a slave trapped in the conundrum of PB … is forced to choose the physical pain … while enduring the mental torture … of working to please his Lady and Owner!

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RE: Predicament Bondage for the Wickedly Inclined - 1/10/2010 11:33:44 AM

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And of course the key to the scenario above is the bent legs ... and after the whippings ... the slave will eagerly offer it's derriere ... fr the Lady's strap on ... in spite of his own pain!

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RE: Predicament Bondage for the Wickedly Inclined - 1/10/2010 11:50:05 AM

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And during the evening the music selection can be changed ... to say ... some dance music.

The slave twisting, turning and moving to the music ... encouraged by the whip ... like a drumbeat ... upon it's body ...

Genitals throbbing ... legs shaking ... as the sharp caress of the whip creates involuntary compliance with the rythmn of the music ...

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RE: Predicament Bondage for the Wickedly Inclined - 1/10/2010 12:02:22 PM

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seekingOwnertoo... we get the picture!!

Such enthusiasm! ;-)

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RE: Predicament Bondage for the Wickedly Inclined - 1/10/2010 12:19:18 PM

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OOOOhhhh, one of my favorite topics! Here's a fun little game I have used before.

Want your subs to develop buns of steel? Here's one to try. Have sub stand with legs apart. The farther apart their legs are, the harder it is to do. If you make them do this in a squatting position instead, it's even harder. The dildo will drop farther if they're standing though. ;)

Get a pyrex glass dildo with a bit of a head on it and a flanged base (one that looks like you could use it in a harness). Decide ahead of time how many swats with a cane/paddle {choose your implement of torture} he/she gets if he/she drops the dildo. [or insert any other consequence here] Grease pyrex dildo up with a good silicone lube. This puppy is SLICK now! Slip a cock ring over the dildo so it rests on the base.

Insert into sub (guys, you know where, women, can be 1 of 2 places). Have them hold it for a predetermined amount of time (say 5 seconds). They hold it, great. Attach weight to the cock ring (I use fishing weights). Number of punishment swats for dropping it goes down as weight goes up. Hold again, add more weight, repeat. At some point there will definitely be enough weight on it that no matter how tight the sub squeezes those cheeks together, it's gonna drop!

In the original test run of this predicament, I just had him hold his arms behind his neck. Though relatively straightforward and simple regarding setup, is hard to do for the sub as it is without bondage, and I didn't want to make it too difficult, or it will only last a few minutes! lol Every "distraction" you add will probably decrease the amount of time it can be done. But hey, we like challenges, right?

Even without physical restraints, you can easily make this into a muscular endurance/mental bondage predicament. For instance, have them hold their arms out or hold an object at arms length in front of them while they do it and impose punishment for lowering them. Have them bend at the waist at 45 degrees instead of standing up straight and hold that position while doing it....their muscles will start shaking at some point - esp if their arms are behind their back (easiest), straight out to the side (harder), or at their neck (hardest)! Ain't gravity great?! If you blindfold them, they will have no line of sight or fixed point to lock on to, making balance harder.

Here are some physical bondage "enhancements" to this predicament:

My switch has eye hooks and chains hanging from his ceiling (how convenient!) Attach his wrist cuffs to the chains. Use a single fixed point like a doorknob, table leg, etc. Put the parachute (or rope) around his balls with weights hanging from them. Attach parachute by a chain (or rope) to the fixed point. Now, balls secured, arms secured. You can rope tie his cock and attach that. You can use nipple clamps, or labia clamps for a female, and attach those. And there can be the ever-popular zipper attached as well. If you don't have an overhead attachment point, cuff sub's hands behind their back or behind their neck to their collar. Makes it harder for them to balance, especially if their legs are spread very wide. After each successful holding period, make him/her take 1 step away from the fixed attachment point, pulling whatever you decided to attach to it a bit tighter each time.

Using a pinwheel, fingernails, a light flogging, a riding crop, violet wand, etc. while in this position will also make it more difficult.

I'd suggest trying it first just with them standing, no bondage, arms free at their sides, just to see how long they can do the basic predicament, and how much weight it takes to make the dildo drop. Sort of a baseline, if you will. Then you can always add on whatever you may want to.

My switch managed to get 16 oz of weight on it before he couldn't hold it any more. If you decide to try this, let me know how it works for ya. Enjoy!

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RE: Predicament Bondage for the Wickedly Inclined - 1/10/2010 4:08:41 PM

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While I've never had the opportunity to play with others, this is a topic of great personal interest. My mind is often occupied with fantasies of Hobson's choice bondage, and I've experimented including predicaments in my self-bondage sessions.

Wooden Pony. If you don't know, this involves a subject bound astride a plank or an inverted V made of planks, set high enough that the victim cannot reach the ground with his/her heels. The body's weight must be borne by the calf muscles, or the tissues of the perineal region. Having tried this myself, I don't recommend it for males. I had a frightening bout of nerve damage almost immediately, I believe I have fully recovered sensation, fortunately.

Another scenario that forces a decision between physical effort or pain involves even less expenditure, a little rope and an eye hook will do. The victim is bound, kneeling, with ankles crossed and bound. The free end of that rope is tied to the shoulders in a length that prevents a fully upright posture. The wrists are bound as well, and fixed overhead, so that the haunches can not rest on the heels. The sub will either partially suspend, or push into an arched position against the ankle rope, head back and hips thrust forward. This obviously leaves him or her quite exposed and vulnerable...

Similar to the egg gag, one could have the victim grasp a rope in his/her teeth during impact or other difficult play. The other end of the rope would be tied to a hefty weight with a string attached. The string... well, that string has a lot of potential. It could be attached to clamps, a zipper, a parachute, the closed clamp on an enema bag, a sensitive appendage, pretty much anything that somebody would prefer to not get a sharp yank applied to. The victim will not have any way of knowing if you have a set number of strokes in mind, or just intend to keep working until the rope is released.

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RE: Predicament Bondage for the Wickedly Inclined - 1/10/2010 4:19:47 PM

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First thanks to PhoenixRed for the great response. The lovely thing about PB is the way you can layer it and play with it. Fabulous ideas!

HandSolo, thank you as well. I've heard of people putting themselves in predicaments all by their lonesomes! You funny boys ;-) Great ideas too. I'm curious though, you mention "Hobson's choice bondage"...
I was under the assumption that Hobson's choice is is a free choice in which only one option is offered. Predicament bondage however is a catch-22, that is, all choices yield equivalent, often undesirable, results.

That said, you have me curious about what Hobson's choice bondage could be... Evil inquiring inquiring minds want to know! ;-)

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RE: Predicament Bondage for the Wickedly Inclined - 1/10/2010 5:34:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

First thanks to PhoenixRed for the great response. The lovely thing about PB is the way you can layer it and play with it. Fabulous ideas!

HandSolo, thank you as well. I've heard of people putting themselves in predicaments all by their lonesomes! You funny boys ;-) Great ideas too. I'm curious though, you mention "Hobson's choice bondage"...
I was under the assumption that Hobson's choice is is a free choice in which only one option is offered. Predicament bondage however is a catch-22, that is, all choices yield equivalent, often undesirable, results.

That said, you have me curious about what Hobson's choice bondage could be... Evil inquiring inquiring minds want to know! ;-)

- LA

Well, I retreated to Wikipedia, and got: "Hobson's choice is often misused to mean a false illusion of choice, but it is not a choice between two undesirable options, which is a Morton's Fork." Apparently, I've fallen victim to infering the definition from a context in which the term was misused. I've always taken the term to mean a decision between a bad choice and a completely untenable one.

Since I've started it accidentally, a Hobson's choice bondage scene might be similar to some self-bondage scenes, where in order to release oneself, a painful or distasteful task would have to be performed. Say, one is shackled hand and wrist, and in a posture collar. A heavy weight, too large to suspend, is connected to clamps, parachute yaddayadda. The keys to the shackles are several rooms away, maybe up a flight of stairs. The Dom/mme announces that the only way out for the sub is to go get the keys his or herself, then takes up a position as a spectator for the laborious and painful journey.

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