quote:

The real title of your thread should have read: Femdoms who hate cross dressing and female clothing on men. (A legitimate position, but why hide the true agenda?)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Most of my boys are extremely manly in appearance and in mindset. Then again, most of my girls are very feminine. Then again, what is a boy and what is a girl? If one identifies as a girl, then she is girl, even is she was born in a male body.

I have the hugest kick out of making a really manly man wear panties under his suit when we go out for dinner. I get less of a kick out of doing it to a femme boy. I tend to humiliate him by telling him to act like a man. To me the point of humiliation is to get someone to get in touch with their other side. So if a boy is really femme, I get him in touch with his masculine side and if a boy is really macho, I get him in touch with his girlie side.

I actually had a female sub once who was very tomboyish and I used to put lipstick and short skirts on her and teach her to walk in heels like a girl. That was very humiliating for her. The only times I don't play these games with someone is when I know that they have major issues with gender identity and that this kind of play would do more harm then good.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Psychonaut23

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucienne
Ok, I was going to leave this be. But I just... can't. How can you possibly feel justified making sweeping statements about the entire canon of western literature...

Because I'm very well read.  I may not have read Jane Austen directly, but I have read plenty of literary criticism and analysis that references Jane Austen, and I've read extensively on this subject (gender in literature).  So essentially I feel justified because I am standing on the shoulders of giants.

quote:

VideoAdminAlpha is a bad moderator. She put me on active moderation for expressing a political opinion that does not violate the TOS. It's an abuse of her position and power, and she should not be allowed to moderate this or any other forum.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009

quote:

VideoAdminAlpha is a bad moderator. She put me on active moderation for expressing a political opinion that does not violate the TOS. It's an abuse of her position and power, and she should not be allowed to moderate this or any other forum.

Dude,
Are you a glutton for punishment?  Do you really think it is wise to put the above as your signature?  You're not going to make any friends among the mods by doing that.  They just let you out of "timeout".  Do you want to be placed there again?

While we may have freedom of speech, it is not always prudent to say what is on your mind.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Wheldrake

quote:

ORIGINAL: Psychonaut23

I prefer women who have a blend of feminine and masculine traits.  I myself have a blend of feminine and masculine traits, just like most people.  On the BEM Sex Role Inventory, I score 80% Masculine, 43% Feminine, and 51% androgynous, making me more Masculine than anything else, but still with strong feminine and androgynous traits.  Test yourself, see where you come down.

I didn't take the test, but I was curious enough to click the link. I couldn't help but notice what it said above the test questions, in plain English:

"The Bem Sex Role Inventory was developed in 1971 by Dr. Sandra Lipsitz Bem. It characterizes your personality as masculine, feminine, androgynous, or undifferentiated. The BSRI is based on gender stereotypes, so what it's actually measuring is how well you fit into your traditional sex role. Thus, your score may say as much about how our cultural expectations have changed over the last 35 years as it does about your personality."

Bolding mine, of course.

In other words, even the "fellow" (as he describes himself at the bottom of the page) who is making the test available online acknowledges that it's measuring qualities that are stereotypically masculine or feminine. He's not pretending it comes from a valid, empirical description of what men and women are really like. Rigid lists of supposedly masculine and feminine traits, like the ones that appear on the test or the ones you've been putting forward in your posts, really just capture subjective expectations of how men and women are supposed to behave - I'm not sure I'd even say "traditional" expectations, given that they've varied so much throughout history and across different cultures. But in the real world, there are lots of ways to be a woman and lots of ways to be a man, and in most areas the two overlap more than you seem to want to believe.

quote:

ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

I wouldn't say this thread was oppositional or polemical-if you flick back there has been serious discussion about the kink and its implications.

I think it's been valuable; I feel like I've gained a lot from it, and I have no negative feelings whatsoever about feminisation.

quote:

There is no objective definition of masculinity and femininity.  They are culturally generated concepts.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

Disliking math is feminine? Well damn... they need to make up their minds! The way I hear it we women folk are always thinking math and their money... I would consider that liking math!

So which is it?

quote:

Psychonaut

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Your opinion of your knowledge of English is, sadly, vastly over-rated. The word Gentleman has nothing to do with being gentle and everything to do with manners and class.

I have to laugh at the absurdity of that statement.  I mean really, you say that as if having manners and class were not expressions of gentleness.  What are manners after all, except the sensitivity we show to others?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucienne
You really aren't well read. Having taken a few women's studies courses that analyzed the western canon is not the same thing as being well read in western literature.

quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1
Put big words in one hand, and life experience in the other, and squeeze them both.  You'll find life is a lot more solid than words.

quote:

I wouldn't say this thread was oppositional or polemical

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

quote:

The real title of your thread should have read: Femdoms who hate cross dressing and female clothing on men. (A legitimate position, but why hide the true agenda?)

You know what I hate? I hate when people who don't know me assume things about me.

Exhibit A: Vintage Post from 2005: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=68127

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Most of my boys are extremely manly in appearance and in mindset. Then again, most of my girls are very feminine. Then again, what is a boy and what is a girl? If one identifies as a girl, then she is girl, even is she was born in a male body.

I have the hugest kick out of making a really manly man wear panties under his suit when we go out for dinner. I get less of a kick out of doing it to a femme boy. I tend to humiliate him by telling him to act like a man. To me the point of humiliation is to get someone to get in touch with their other side. So if a boy is really femme, I get him in touch with his masculine side and if a boy is really macho, I get him in touch with his girlie side.

I actually had a female sub once who was very tomboyish and I used to put lipstick and short skirts on her and teach her to walk in heels like a girl. That was very humiliating for her. The only times I don't play these games with someone is when I know that they have major issues with gender identity and that this kind of play would do more harm then good.

- LA

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Lockit,

I'm convinced that boys, like Cloudboy, who chase after me on the threads wanting to provoke me and get my attention are secretly in love with me. It's kind of flattering, no? ;-)

- LA

quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

quote:

I wouldn't say this thread was oppositional or polemical

The OP finally admitted in bald faced print that it was both.

I might agree that the posters and posts within the thread marched along different roads. But, let me tell you, you don't get to 19-20 pages without something offensive built into the equation -- granted there's a boatload of useless banter filling up many pages here -- but still -- the OP was tapping into some deep seated prejudices, perceptions, and negative experiences to get this sucker rolling.

quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

quote:

I wouldn't say this thread was oppositional or polemical

The OP finally admitted in bald faced print that it was both.

I might agree that the posters and posts within the thread marched along different roads. But, let me tell you, you don't get to 19-20 pages without something offensive built into the equation -- granted there's a boatload of useless banter filling up many pages here -- but still -- the OP was tapping into some deep seated prejudices, perceptions, and negative experiences to get this sucker rolling.

quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy