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American Talibangelicals - 2/2/2010 7:00:08 PM   
AnimusRex


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Status: offline 		Daily Kos has a new poll out, concerning the political opinions of Republicans.
Needless to say, it is some pretty freaky stuff- if his methods are in any way accurate, we can forget about fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan, and focus a bit closer to home.
Link here

Tidbits-
A third think Obama was not born here;
77% think Genesis should be taught in schools;
31% want contraceptives outlawed;

Will the last sane Republican turn out the lights and close the door?
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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/2/2010 7:04:24 PM   
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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/2/2010 7:15:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

Daily Kos has a new poll out, concerning the political opinions of Republicans.
Needless to say, it is some pretty freaky stuff- if his methods are in any way accurate, we can forget about fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan, and focus a bit closer to home.
Link here

Tidbits-
A third think Obama was not born here;
77% think Genesis should be taught in schools;
31% want contraceptives outlawed;

Will the last sane Republican turn out the lights and close the door?


Even though I've already been called insane (or the equivalent of) in a couple other threads here today, I'll go ahead and respond nonetheless.

Pretty fascinating stuff AnimusRex. Thanks for posting the link!

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/2/2010 7:17:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		A poll on a political blog that has a decided liberal bent? That's my kind of objective news source, yessirree.


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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/2/2010 7:28:31 PM   
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A poll on a political blog that has a decided liberal bent? That's my kind of objective news source, yessirree.



True, but any poll, just as any graph or chart, can easily be slanted even if the person/s creating it are careful to avoid any bias. Hence, I always look at these things keeping that in mind. But I find what AnimusRex has posted to be fascinating, and even helpful in many ways. 

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/2/2010 7:34:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		So Daily Kos went on a fishing expedition for stereotypes, did they?  I'm sure they all felt very smug, writing their little list of what "those people" believe.  Free speech is a wonderful thing, ain't it?

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/2/2010 8:03:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I haven't parsed Kos' methodology, and wouldn't know how to dissect it if I did. So I can't verify that this is in fact what Republicans belive.

However.....

Right on cue.....

on Hardball tonight, the following exchange took place between Chris Matthews, and Peter Sprigg, of the Family research Council(courtesy John Cole at Balloon Juice blog):

Matthews: Do you think we should outlaw gay behavior?

Sprigg: Well, I think certainly..

Matthews: I’m just asking, should we outlaw gay behavior?

Sprigg: I think the Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas which overturned the sodomy laws in this country was wrongly decided. I think there would be a place in this country for criminal sanctions against homosexual behavior.

Matthews: So we should outlaw gay behavior?

Sprigg: YES!

(John Cole): No dog whistles there. They aren’t even hiding it anymore.


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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/2/2010 8:08:50 PM   
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So Daily Kos went on a fishing expedition for stereotypes, did they? I'm sure they all felt very smug, writing their little list of what "those people" believe. Free speech is a wonderful thing, ain't it?

A total of 2003 self identified Republicans were interviewed nationally by telephone. Those interviewed were selected by the random variation of the last four digits of telephone numbers, nationally.

However, fully 42% of the selected respondents were from the South, and only 11% from the North East. That's one helluva skewed regional sampling. If, for example, someone claimed to have surveyed "Christians," and you found that 42% of their respondents were evangelicals, you wouldn't expect a very accurate picture there either.

But still, overall accuracy notwithstanding, it ain't very pretty.

K.



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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/2/2010 8:20:01 PM   
Brain


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Status: offline 		They just say anything these days, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, Dobbs, Malkin and they believe their shit.

FDR can explain this:
"For twelve years this Nation was afflicted with hear-nothing, see-nothing, do-nothing Government. The Nation looked to Government but the Government looked away. Nine mocking years with the golden calf and three long years of the scourge! Nine crazy years at the ticker and three long years in the breadlines! Nine mad years of mirage and three long years of despair! Powerful influences strive today to restore that kind of government with its doctrine that that Government is best which is most indifferent."
This is a good way to describe George Bush.

I like this blog. He says:
The corruption of justice perpetrated by the Supreme Court, the very people sworn to protect the constitution of the U.S.; ushers in a new era of absolute corporate totalitarianism. Untethered and unrestrained from any reasonable safety constraints, free speech is drowned out by money.

Those who spend the most will be amplified. Those, regardless of their numbers, who cannot drop millions on campaigns will be silenced. The intent of the constitution, obvious even to an 11 year old, was not to give "monied corporations and banking institutions" (as Jefferson referred to them...saying they were more dangerous than standing armies to democracy) the ability to freely purchase government itself. "Sure, Mr. Jones, Exxon would like to help you become a Senator, but we need those restrictions about drilling under the Washington Monument lifted, and we sure would like a crack at those Iranian oil reserves..."

History Repeats Itself

Like Bill Murray in the movie "Groundhog Day", time and time again the same loop is run again and again. The forces of sociopathic greed convince leaders greed is good; that restraining it in any way is harmful. Because history dims, or perhaps is simply ignored, anti-trust acts are repealed and monopolies flourish. Speculators inflate market prices until they burst. It's nothing new. The events leading to our current economic woes are identical to the events that lead to the great depression. The solution is remarkably simple in theory.

"People want peace that comes from security in their homes: safety for their savings, permanence in their jobs, a fair profit from their enterprise." -FDR

Any policy that encourages the realization of these desires is a good policy, any policy that erodes them is bad policy. Let's have a look at what Franklin Delano Roosevelt said about this in his speech at Madison Square Gardens on October 31, 1936-

Transcript - (see article)

Without Shoes: FDR - Those Who Are Ignorant Of History Repeat It
http://shoelessandbibleblack.blogspot.com/2010/02/fdr-those-who-are-ignorant-of-history.html

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/2/2010 9:00:24 PM   
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A poll on a political blog that has a decided liberal bent? That's my kind of objective news source, yessirree.



The questions seemed straightforward and revealing to me...would you mind telling me how it is bent to a liberal point of view. And if you would…how would you vote on the particulars the op posted.?

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/2/2010 9:08:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

So Daily Kos went on a fishing expedition for stereotypes, did they? I'm sure they all felt very smug, writing their little list of what "those people" believe. Free speech is a wonderful thing, ain't it?

A total of 2003 self identified Republicans were interviewed nationally by telephone. Those interviewed were selected by the random variation of the last four digits of telephone numbers, nationally.

However, fully 42% of the selected respondents were from the South, and only 11% from the North East. That's one helluva skewed regional sampling. If, for example, someone claimed to have surveyed "Christians," and you found that 42% of their respondents were evangelicals, you wouldn't expect a very accurate picture there either.

But still, overall accuracy notwithstanding, it ain't very pretty.

K.



Considering the South is the only part of the nation that is both densely populated and majority GOP it makes sense that a plurality of respondents would be from the south.

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/2/2010 9:15:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

on Hardball tonight, the following exchange took place between Chris Matthews, and Peter Sprigg, of the Family research Council



Not much of a researcher if he was willing to do MSNBC with Matthews 

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/2/2010 9:41:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Considering the South is the only part of the nation that is both densely populated and majority GOP it makes sense that a plurality of respondents would be from the south.

I would be very surprised if 42% of all Republicans in the country live in just a dozen southern states.

K.

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/2/2010 10:06:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

Daily Kos has a new poll out, concerning the political opinions of Republicans.
Needless to say, it is some pretty freaky stuff- if his methods are in any way accurate, we can forget about fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan, and focus a bit closer to home.
Link here

Tidbits-
A third think Obama was not born here;
77% think Genesis should be taught in schools;
31% want contraceptives outlawed;

Will the last sane Republican turn out the lights and close the door?


The Republicans need to distance themselves from those nutty holy rollers! "Genesis?" What if someone isn't christian? Then "genesis" wouldn't mean a damn thing to them!
They should just come out and say that if you're a holy roller you're not welcome in the republican party.
Then the democrats could take them!
Seriously, the "far right" or the "far left" aren't good for politics.
It's funny, all the lefties walking around like they're shell shocked these days after being Owned by Obama! lol

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/2/2010 10:11:33 PM   
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The other insane ones will be along shortly to defend this shit, or whatever they hell they can do to blame someone else.
 
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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/2/2010 10:43:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sure enough.  The left mostly just turn into bigots when Christianity comes into the focus of the "multicultural" worldview.

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/2/2010 10:46:50 PM   
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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/2/2010 11:44:00 PM   
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Sure enough.  The left mostly just turn into bigots when Christianity comes into the focus of the "multicultural" worldview.

The left is mostly christians. Calling us bigots because we reject people who call themselves christians while rejecting virtually all of the bible but genesis and leviticus is ridiculous. Rejecting hypocrites and frauds is not bigotry but simple good taste.

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/2/2010 11:54:33 PM   
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Considering the South is the only part of the nation that is both densely populated and majority GOP it makes sense that a plurality of respondents would be from the south.

I would be very surprised if 42% of all Republicans in the country live in just a dozen southern states.

K.

77 of the 178 Republican house members come from the 12 southern states. That's 43.25%. The Presidentail balloting from 2008 also reflects a similiar demographic.

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/3/2010 12:25:27 AM   
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77 of the 178 Republican house members come from the 12 southern states. That's 43.25%. The Presidentail balloting from 2008 also reflects a similiar demographic.

I looked for data on voter registration by party in the states, but I came up empty. I didn't think to check the membership of the House, but that's good enough for me. Damn, times do change don't they?

K.

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