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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/4/2010 11:17:56 AM   
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He borrowed it from Newt Gingrich's mistress.



Was he tapping her, too?  Grabbing seconds behind Newt...  <shudder>  He really did have a thing for trashy little sluts, didn't he?


...and who among us does not???

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/4/2010 11:26:10 AM   
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I have a friend and she is a democrat. She has been unemployed for a long time and feels she really doesn't need to go out and look for a job because her unemployment checks cover her expenses. So why do democrats think they don't have to work?


Unemployment is an insurance program she paid into and the checks she recieves are the payout of that insurance policy it is not welfare.
If you won the lotto tomorrow for a gazillion dollars would it be fair of us to characterize you as lazy because you chose to enjoy your unearned windfall and stopped working?


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If I won the lottery tomorrow, do you honestly think I would care if you thought I was lazy?





The question was not if I thought you were lazy.
You think your friend as well as all democrats are lazy.
I simply pointed out that she was not on welfare which appears to have been your contention.
I also pointed out if you were in the same situation you would do the same.
So why do you have your knickeers in a bunch?


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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/4/2010 4:28:13 PM   
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The question was not if I thought you were lazy.
You think your friend as well as all democrats are lazy.
No, I was using that as an example of your logic. Although there are times when I think she is just lazy, it has nothing to do with how other democrats act. Just like quoting some idiot doesn't prove how republicans think.

I simply pointed out that she was not on welfare which appears to have been your contention.
I never mentioned welfare.

I also pointed out if you were in the same situation you would do the same.
No you started talking about the lottery, which had nothing to do with the subject.

So why do you have your knickeers in a bunch?
I don't, why would you assume I do? Are you projecting your own feelings?


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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/4/2010 4:43:58 PM   
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Are you projecting your own feelings?


The feelings I am projecting concern you calling your friend lazy because she was collecting unemployment insurance and did not want to get a job.
I pointed out that if you did not have to work for a living you would not either...then you got your knickers in a knot.

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/4/2010 7:20:52 PM   
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Was he tapping her, too?  Grabbing seconds behind Newt...  <shudder>  He really did have a thing for trashy little sluts, didn't he?


Dude, that's the current Mrs. Gingrich you are talking about!

I am reporting you to Wingnut Command!

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/5/2010 7:28:04 AM   
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Was he tapping her, too?  Grabbing seconds behind Newt...  <shudder>  He really did have a thing for trashy little sluts, didn't he?


Dude, that's the current Mrs. Gingrich you are talking about!

I am reporting you to Wingnut Command!


As soon as she gains a few pounds or gets sick she will be the next ex Mrs Gingrich.

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/5/2010 7:56:24 AM   
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Considering the South is the only part of the nation that is both densely populated and majority GOP it makes sense that a plurality of respondents would be from the south.

I would be very surprised if 42% of all Republicans in the country live in just a dozen southern states.

K.


77 of the 178 Republican house members come from the 12 southern states. That's 43.25%. The Presidentail balloting from 2008 also reflects a similiar demographic.

So if or when the breakdown of left and right in the house changes, we can assume that reflects the political layout of the country? Interesting. Too, your breakdown doesn't account for the "brand" of Christianity and it's geographic strongholds (the south being the Baptist belt...).

It is an interesting look though.

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/5/2010 11:35:13 AM   
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Considering the South is the only part of the nation that is both densely populated and majority GOP it makes sense that a plurality of respondents would be from the south.

I would be very surprised if 42% of all Republicans in the country live in just a dozen southern states.

K.


77 of the 178 Republican house members come from the 12 southern states. That's 43.25%. The Presidentail balloting from 2008 also reflects a similiar demographic.

So if or when the breakdown of left and right in the house changes, we can assume that reflects the political layout of the country? Interesting. Too, your breakdown doesn't account for the "brand" of Christianity and it's geographic strongholds (the south being the Baptist belt...).

It is an interesting look though.

If multiple sources show a simliar demographic distribution it is supportive that that demographic distribution is accurate. BTW why should I care about the "brand" of christianity when discussing poltical party affiliation?

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/5/2010 1:57:35 PM   
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If Americans are willing to vote for politicians who either can't keep their fear of the dark out of politics or just want to look like they do in order to appeal to the moral minority of godbothering cretins who can't mind their own business, then they only have themselves to blame for the consequences. I've no sympathy at all.
Still, I'm sure China and the rest of the Asian economies are glad to see that you're letting these people destroy your education system.

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/5/2010 5:17:03 PM   
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Thanks for starting this discussion, it is truly horrifying how many people are making decisions about how this country should be run based on bronze age superstitions. However, I do have to object to these people being compared to the Taliban. They are no more terrorists than I am "militant" for discussing religion on the internet. There are actual christian terrorists out there such as Scott Roeder who deserve to be called Talibangelicals but applying this label to the rest is the sort of name calling that gets in the way of us having meaningful discussions with each other. 

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/5/2010 5:46:31 PM   
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So if or when the breakdown of left and right in the house changes, we can assume that reflects the political layout of the country? Interesting. Too, your breakdown doesn't account for the "brand" of Christianity and it's geographic strongholds (the south being the Baptist belt...).

It is an interesting look though.

If multiple sources show a simliar demographic distribution it is supportive that that demographic distribution is accurate. BTW why should I care about the "brand" of christianity when discussing poltical party affiliation?


Particularly because the answers to those questions would almost certainly differ from denomination to denomination. Baptists in the South would definitely view things much differently than a Catholic in New England, and Evangelicals would have a different view than Protestants and Lutherans, etc... Those views can and do have bearing on the political views asked about, such as whether or not Genesis should be taught in the classroom. It would be the same as taking a sampling of self described Christians with the majority of them living in California and New York, then trying to suggest that their responses represented Christians as a whole across the country.

Again, if and when the makeup of Congress changes, should we accept that as an accurate template for the political makeup of the country? That was the only source I saw you suggest supporting this demographic distribution, if I missed another please point it out.

Like I said in my other post, it was an interesting poll. I am just not sure how much weight to give it.

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/5/2010 8:38:06 PM   
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So if or when the breakdown of left and right in the house changes, we can assume that reflects the political layout of the country? Interesting. Too, your breakdown doesn't account for the "brand" of Christianity and it's geographic strongholds (the south being the Baptist belt...).

It is an interesting look though.

If multiple sources show a simliar demographic distribution it is supportive that that demographic distribution is accurate. BTW why should I care about the "brand" of christianity when discussing poltical party affiliation?


Particularly because the answers to those questions would almost certainly differ from denomination to denomination. Baptists in the South would definitely view things much differently than a Catholic in New England, and Evangelicals would have a different view than Protestants and Lutherans, etc... Those views can and do have bearing on the political views asked about, such as whether or not Genesis should be taught in the classroom. It would be the same as taking a sampling of self described Christians with the majority of them living in California and New York, then trying to suggest that their responses represented Christians as a whole across the country.

Again, if and when the makeup of Congress changes, should we accept that as an accurate template for the political makeup of the country? That was the only source I saw you suggest supporting this demographic distribution, if I missed another please point it out.

Like I said in my other post, it was an interesting poll. I am just not sure how much weight to give it.

The poll data and the Congressional makeup match very closely. That's two seperate sources.

As to the rest, WTF are you talking about. The poll in question is of self identified Republicans not christians of any specific stripe.

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/5/2010 9:05:32 PM   
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I guess I should have been clearer in my reply. The replies to questions regarding "faith issues" would vary in different regions because of the religious breakdowns which do have predominant strongholds as I noted in other posts. I hope that explains what I was trying to get at.

I would also point out something I hadn't noticed before in the breakdown of their demographics... the biggest group of those polled were aged 60+ and if you combine those 45+ with them it becomes 70% of the entire poll. Interesting breakdown.



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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/5/2010 11:22:23 PM   
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I guess I should have been clearer in my reply. The replies to questions regarding "faith issues" would vary in different regions because of the religious breakdowns which do have predominant strongholds as I noted in other posts. I hope that explains what I was trying to get at.

I would also point out something I hadn't noticed before in the breakdown of their demographics... the biggest group of those polled were aged 60+ and if you combine those 45+ with them it becomes 70% of the entire poll. Interesting breakdown.

That's been the case for some time. Younger people tend not to answer poll calls and increasingly larger numbers of younger people do not have land lines. Check out any serious discussion of polling methodology and you will find that these problems are well known but no good solutions exist.

I would think if you really wanted to try and discredit this polls methodology you'd at least avoid the well known stuff.

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/5/2010 11:58:28 PM   
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I am reporting you to Wingnut Command!



Take a number, and get in line.  There are a fuckload of pissed off fundamentalists in front of you, though.

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/6/2010 12:54:22 AM   
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I guess I should have been clearer in my reply. The replies to questions regarding "faith issues" would vary in different regions because of the religious breakdowns which do have predominant strongholds as I noted in other posts. I hope that explains what I was trying to get at.

I would also point out something I hadn't noticed before in the breakdown of their demographics... the biggest group of those polled were aged 60+ and if you combine those 45+ with them it becomes 70% of the entire poll. Interesting breakdown.

That's been the case for some time. Younger people tend not to answer poll calls and increasingly larger numbers of younger people do not have land lines. Check out any serious discussion of polling methodology and you will find that these problems are well known but no good solutions exist.

I would think if you really wanted to try and discredit this polls methodology you'd at least avoid the well known stuff.

Wasn't trying to discredit anything about it... as I said I found the poll to be interesting.

If I was trying to discredit them I would have shown a few of their more unreliable recent polls, or pointed to who they do most of their polling for...

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RE: American Talibangelicals - 2/6/2010 1:19:35 AM   
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If I was trying to discredit them I would have shown a few of their more unreliable recent polls, or pointed to who they do most of their polling for...

So now you think a poll is discredited simply by who paid for it? I'll remember that next time you tout a Rasmussen poll.

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