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RE: An Experiment - 2/6/2010 6:23:45 PM   
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First of all, she (unlike the fakes and scammers) came clean and apparently it was taken well. Secondly not all men are good at written expression; some need a little help. Would you really want to pass someone up simply because he couldn't get the words down on paper (so-to-speak) well? She isn't going to write the messages for them just show how to say things that will get these men some positive responses. Nothing wrong with that.




If one woman - one woman - can put her hand on her heart and say she's never thought "these guys need fucking help", they're liars too. Now someone's in the position to help, and everyone's flaming her. I mean sheesh girls, c'mon. You want Doms to be consistent? Your turn


Just adding my two cents about the suggestion you made about the OP sharing examples of her messages Fitz - as others have mentioned there have been numerous threads about what women like to read in a message and there was even the long thread started by Steffan that would show up in a search.

What I want is simple - evidence that someone has read my profile by making a comment about something I have written (that isn't about sex or kink - just my preference)
If they want to make a comment about my photos don't say nice rack, I want to fuck that mouth, can you trample me with your boots etc
Ask an open ended question that gives me something to respond to.  How are you, do you want to chat, wanna meet all end up being deleted.
Don't use text speak

Seriously, if people cannot craft a message that gets responses and they know all of the above then I would suggest they look at the group they are targeting or ask one of their female friends to review one of their messages and give them feedback. 

I mean there are so many posts where women say what they look for in a message and a profile.....do you now want us to write the messages for these blokes as well? What next....we type them out and send them to ourselves?

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Your sexuality isn't the only thing that's going to make us men want to talk to women either.

Well, not this particular man.


Buggar ......I thought it was because I have a nice rack....well that's what you told me damnit


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RE: An Experiment - 2/6/2010 6:24:59 PM   
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I find that I get an even better response when I include pics of my giant cock .

It's not that hard; don't be a dick. Don't be weird. That'll eliminate an awful lot of obstacles in getting a response from someone, and from there on, it's a matter of chemistry.



5 pages and the giant cock finally emerges!  lol

But seriously (or not), what do you think the responses would have been if those nice notes were accompanied by a giant cock? 

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RE: An Experiment - 2/6/2010 6:28:09 PM   
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probably should avoid creating confrontational situations like this.


If you are able to find a way to live with integrity, you will not have to struggle with these sort of situations


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RE: An Experiment - 2/6/2010 6:28:20 PM   
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jujubee's nice notes? I think her 100% rating would have plummeted through the floor.

My nice notes? Winners, one and all.


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RE: An Experiment - 2/6/2010 6:29:11 PM   
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By the way, I'm not going to post any of the email that I wrote because frankly, I'm scared to death of the people who are furious right now I hope that those who think I did huge amounts of damage can at least appreciate the fact that I've treated them respectfully even after getting steadily flamed. You don't have to like me, but I would appreciate not being treated like I've committed some sort of crime. No one likes to be tricked, I'll grant you, and that's the part of this that I apologized for. But it wasn't a gigantic trick - how many emails a day do women get on this site? It's not as if a lonely sub was sitting staring at her empty mailbox for the last year and my email reawakened her passion for living. These were confident, attractive women who can pick and choose who they respond to. It was a poorly executed experiment, I'll grant you, with very little scientific promise, but I did prove my point.

Thank you to those who disagree with me but who are still trying to be civil. I admit I'm overly sensitive to being the target of this much anger and probably should avoid creating confrontational situations like this.


First, I don't hate you, I don't even know you and I doubt anyone here hates you for this one thread. Disagreement does not equal hate; it is intellectual discussion. Also why are you "scared to death" from being flamed? Do you think anyone can reach through the monitor and beat you?

If indeed you are so sensitive to this, then your last line above may be the best best. But I would urge you to never be afraid to state your points; I am not and I don't care if someone hates me or my words; I am secure in my own opinions.

You should be too and if you change them or learn from them, then that is equally good. I have often been persuaded or dissuaded over an opinion I had when I listened to some of the replies.

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RE: An Experiment - 2/6/2010 6:30:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Level

jujubee's nice notes? I think her 100% rating would have plummeted through the floor.

My nice notes? Winners, one and all.



And I can say without a doubt that Level is one of the many males on this side whom I am always happy to receive a message from and I always reply.


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RE: An Experiment - 2/6/2010 6:32:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jujubeeMB

By the way, I'm not going to post any of the email that I wrote because frankly, I'm scared to death of the people who are furious right now I hope that those who think I did huge amounts of damage can at least appreciate the fact that I've treated them respectfully even after getting steadily flamed. You don't have to like me, but I would appreciate not being treated like I've committed some sort of crime. No one likes to be tricked, I'll grant you, and that's the part of this that I apologized for. But it wasn't a gigantic trick - how many emails a day do women get on this site? It's not as if a lonely sub was sitting staring at her empty mailbox for the last year and my email reawakened her passion for living. These were confident, attractive women who can pick and choose who they respond to. It was a poorly executed experiment, I'll grant you, with very little scientific promise, but I did prove my point.

Thank you to those who disagree with me but who are still trying to be civil. I admit I'm overly sensitive to being the target of this much anger and probably should avoid creating confrontational situations like this.


Way to conflate the language (see bold).

People strenuously objected to your actions, but flaming and anger?  Unless I missed something, the worst word posted in this thread so far was "shit".  Most of the comments who disagree with you at most seem frustrated over your inability to grasp their reasoning why they think you're wrong.

No one has said you've committed a crime.  What some have said is that your actions were knowingly and willingly unethical.



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RE: An Experiment - 2/6/2010 6:33:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wandersalone

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ORIGINAL: Level

jujubee's nice notes? I think her 100% rating would have plummeted through the floor.

My nice notes? Winners, one and all.



And I can say without a doubt that Level is one of the many males on this side whom I am always happy to receive a message from and I always reply.



*smooch*

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RE: An Experiment - 2/6/2010 6:35:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jujubeeMB
I hope that those who think I did huge amounts of damage can at least appreciate the fact that I've treated them respectfully even after getting steadily flamed. You don't have to like me, but I would appreciate not being treated like I've committed some sort of crime.


I don't personally think you've comitted any great crime. You did run the risk of making the days of quite a few people a little bit worse for no apparent reason, though.


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It's not as if a lonely sub was sitting staring at her empty mailbox for the last year and my email reawakened her passion for living. These were confident, attractive women who can pick and choose who they respond to.


Are you seriously telling me you don't get a happy little buzz when you get a decent message? You're exaggerating here to make what we're saying look implausible, but if you scale it down it really isn't:

getting a well-written message from someone who read your profile and liked it and took the time to respond carefully because they felt a connection with you is going to make you happy.

Finding out that person was lying to you in order to use you as data in some 'experiment' is going to be a little bit of a bummer at the very least, no matter whether or not they apologize.

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I admit I'm overly sensitive to being the target of this much anger and probably should avoid creating confrontational situations like this.


For the record, though I can't speak for anyone else I personally am not angry with you. But you have slipped several notches on the Vague Respect-O-Meter.


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RE: An Experiment - 2/6/2010 6:35:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jujubeeMB

Thank you to those who disagree with me but who are still trying to be civil. I admit I'm overly sensitive to being the target of this much anger and probably should avoid creating confrontational situations like this.


jujubee, I dont see too many people acting or speaking uncivilly. This is a debate, and FWIW, one that you ASKED for by posting this thread.
 
Ironically, you're starting to take a victim stance, which a lot of people are going to find a little hard to swallow.
 
Suck it up and defend your points if you need to, but you can't both be surprised at, AND previously expect reaction at the same time. The two positions cannot coexist.

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RE: An Experiment - 2/6/2010 6:40:44 PM   
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probably should avoid creating confrontational situations like this.


If you are able to find a way to live with integrity, you will not have to struggle with these sort of situations



I think that's the reason this thread is getting under my skin - I never lie to anyone, generally, and I've never done anything that was remotely like a trick. April Fool's Day makes me uncomfortable I consider myself someone with a lot of integrity, and I honestly didn't think that in the mass of email every woman receives mine was going to cause some giant upheaval of the universe. I still don't think it did - I think the only thing that caused any excitement was posting results on the message boards, where it's obviously (and rightly) become subject to opinion.

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RE: An Experiment - 2/6/2010 6:44:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jujubeeMB

I think that's the reason this thread is getting under my skin - I never lie to anyone, generally, and I've never done anything that was remotely like a trick. April Fool's Day makes me uncomfortable I consider myself someone with a lot of integrity, and I honestly didn't think that in the mass of email every woman receives mine was going to cause some giant upheaval of the universe.


I'm going to say again what I said before: that is not your call to make. Even if you made only one person miserable you still did it for no apparent good reason at all.

Just because something doesn't bother you doesn't mean it isn't going to bother someone else.


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RE: An Experiment - 2/6/2010 6:45:13 PM   
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We all have holes in our morality; if this is the worst thing you ever do, you'll be fine.

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RE: An Experiment - 2/6/2010 6:49:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jujubeeMB


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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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probably should avoid creating confrontational situations like this.


If you are able to find a way to live with integrity, you will not have to struggle with these sort of situations



I think that's the reason this thread is getting under my skin - I never lie to anyone, generally, and I've never done anything that was remotely like a trick. April Fool's Day makes me uncomfortable I consider myself someone with a lot of integrity, and I honestly didn't think that in the mass of email every woman receives mine was going to cause some giant upheaval of the universe. I still don't think it did - I think the only thing that caused any excitement was posting results on the message boards, where it's obviously (and rightly) become subject to opinion.

Do you really not see the hypocrisy of the above?


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RE: An Experiment - 2/6/2010 6:53:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: EbonyWood

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ORIGINAL: jujubeeMB

Thank you to those who disagree with me but who are still trying to be civil. I admit I'm overly sensitive to being the target of this much anger and probably should avoid creating confrontational situations like this.


jujubee, I dont see too many people acting or speaking uncivilly. This is a debate, and FWIW, one that you ASKED for by posting this thread.
 
Ironically, you're starting to take a victim stance, which a lot of people are going to find a little hard to swallow.
 
Suck it up and defend your points if you need to, but you can't both be surprised at, AND previously expect reaction at the same time. The two positions cannot coexist.


Not referring to the "too many people," just the ones who made comments about me as a person (not what I did) and were called out on it by others. However, I'm not trying to be a victim, Ebony - I'll do my best to knock it off.

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RE: An Experiment - 2/6/2010 6:54:29 PM   
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I've found It's always good to get outside and away from the PC , bond with nature for awhile. If it would make you feel any better, I'll cut a switch from a tree and use it on you.
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RE: An Experiment - 2/6/2010 6:55:08 PM   
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Speaking of emails sent by men...I thought I would lighten up the mood. I just now got this winning email from a 21 year old male switch:

I'm not sure if you would be interested but have your ever thought of someone younger. I'm really interested in a mother son type dom feel where id tie mommy down and would eat here dripping wet pussy. If you are interested let me know Id love to chat.

You see, somehow I don't think a woman would have written THAT one, LOL

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RE: An Experiment - 2/6/2010 6:57:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

Speaking of emails sent by men...I thought I would lighten up the mood. I just now got this winning email from a 21 year old male switch:

I'm not sure if you would be interested but have your ever thought of someone younger. I'm really interested in a mother son type dom feel where id tie mommy down and would eat here dripping wet pussy. If you are interested let me know Id love to chat.

You see, somehow I don't think a woman would have written THAT one, LOL


Don't be too sure-after all, I'm a 21 year old woman ;-)

Ok, maybe I can't quite say that with a straight face but there's all sorts out there..


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RE: An Experiment - 2/6/2010 6:58:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: jujubeeMB


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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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probably should avoid creating confrontational situations like this.


If you are able to find a way to live with integrity, you will not have to struggle with these sort of situations



I think that's the reason this thread is getting under my skin - I never lie to anyone, generally, and I've never done anything that was remotely like a trick. April Fool's Day makes me uncomfortable I consider myself someone with a lot of integrity, and I honestly didn't think that in the mass of email every woman receives mine was going to cause some giant upheaval of the universe. I still don't think it did - I think the only thing that caused any excitement was posting results on the message boards, where it's obviously (and rightly) become subject to opinion.

Do you really not see the hypocrisy of the above?



That's exactly my point. Since I did trick a group of people, and lied to them, I'm having a harder time defending myself than I normally would have, since I'm not used to being in a morally precarious position. It's really the degree of the trick that I'm arguing with people about. I'm saying it was really quite minor, and others are saying it was major. I'm not arguing that it wasn't a trick. You've never lied in a minor way to anyone in your entire life?

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RE: An Experiment - 2/6/2010 6:58:31 PM   
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haha Sexyred, got mommy?    

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