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RE: Serious Lost & Depressed Partner - Could a M/S Rela... - 2/10/2010 6:27:03 PM   
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Depression is often misunderstood, it can be a mood or emotion or it can be an illness that is based in your physical self much like diabetes. The thing is ....you don't know and neither does she. If it's a temporary funk she can perhaps get over it with the type of thing you are suggesting (M/s) or by talking it through. If it is a chemically based problem though nothing will help except medication. I know, I have had clinical depression for going on 18 years now.

There are ways to find help even on a limited budget, start trying now because appts can be hard to get and may have to be made far in advance. If she gets better you can always cancel the appt. But really if your car was broken you'd take it to a mechanic to see what was wrong. It is hard to say what is wrong with your friend and it's really not your call or ours. Someone who is trained in these matters should make the decision on what to do for her so find her someone to go to.

You wouldn't be jumping the gun to find her some help...all you stand to lose is some of your time and some effort. There have got to be options for low income patients but I dont know where to even start looking for them in Australia. Just start searching on the internet or ask around wherever you can. Make some calls, ask everyone you know for help in finding some type of lower cost clinic, program, etc. You might be surprised at what you'll find out.

Getting someone to check her out is the best thing you can do...she isn't going to want to do it for herself if she is depressed. I know...I let it go far too long 18 years ago because I couldn't take the initiative to do it for myself and I almost ended up in the hospital. They wanted to commit me temporarily but I begged to be allowed to go home.

If you want to discuss something in more detail feel free to PM me. Good luck...

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RE: Serious Lost & Depressed Partner - Could a M/S Rela... - 2/10/2010 6:55:53 PM   
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Your other half sounds like she's moderately depressed because of well... LIFE!

Suggestion... couldn't hurt to try St. John's Wort (a natural dietary supplement), that's been clinically proven to help in cases of mild to moderate (not major/severe) depression.  Also, it helps curb appetite, which may assist in weight loss as well.  Lastly, as difficult as it may be, try to get her to EXERCISE.  Nothing crazy... just 30 minutes a day, around 3 days a week, and offer to do so with her.  Just simple walking will be fine.

Info:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16796730?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=2

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15708844?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=4

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15684231?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=5

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15272100?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=6

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12153829?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=7

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12053635?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=8

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10968813?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=13

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10591711?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=14


*Note:  If she's currently taking any prescription meds, then it's best she first speak with her physician to ensure no negative interactions. 



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RE: Serious Lost & Depressed Partner - Could a M/S Rela... - 2/10/2010 7:07:13 PM   
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So she's been under a lot of stress, and just snapped, and let off steam, and she's feeling better now.


Well, yes... in some ways.

She does seem better so far today.



Start walking in the morning with her, and tell her that both of you need to eat better... that is far more important than "mastering" her... healthy eating and exercise will not only help her trim up and feel better about herself... it is also good for the mood


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RE: Serious Lost & Depressed Partner - Could a M/S Rela... - 2/10/2010 7:15:45 PM   
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 hello ,
i see a red flag when i hear that she want to hurt herself ,  love wont heal her,,, she need professional help ,, and if you dont seek a real support , you will soon feel exhausted and useless,,
this is what i think
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RE: Serious Lost & Depressed Partner - Could a M/S Rela... - 2/10/2010 8:06:22 PM   
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Do Not even THINK about engagin in a M/s relationship with someone who isn't emotionally stable. The dynamics of such a relationship require a certain level of maturity and stabilty on the part of both people. It is not a "cure" for anything, and attempting to use it as such will come to no good end.

She needs to get herself straightened out ASAP, and worry about the kink later.

That's not to say that such a relationship cannot be part of the healing process after a point, most people are generally happier when actively engagin all facets of their personality; but the severe depression and mood swings need to be addressed first.

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RE: Serious Lost & Depressed Partner - Could a M/S Rela... - 2/10/2010 9:01:04 PM   
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she asked me to leave her alone so she could hurt herself, which of course i didnt.


You should have. She blackmailed you, you fell for it, and turned you into an enabler. It is a pattern, and she needs counseling. She won't get that until you let her fall when she is trying to get you to catch her. Right now she can be as depressed and dysfunctional as she wants to be, because you are there protecting her. It will be hard to withdraw your support, but tough love is what is called for, or this will go on forever.

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RE: Serious Lost & Depressed Partner - Could a M/S Rela... - 2/10/2010 10:39:48 PM   
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The idea of juliaoceania to walk together is a great one.
The depression, if it is one, needs professional help.


But walking is in itself a very positive influence and doing it together even more. It is proven that keeping your head up ( literally) is also helping with depression. I forgot the name of the study but as far as i renember, letting your head drop down and look at your feet is releasing other chemicals than holding your head high and look from time to time in the sky.

I overcame the only suicidal tendencies in my life, which i had after the year in whom my mother committed suicide and my much beloved godmother died, partly with a lot of walking and telling myself: I do not want to die, i am crazy because i am so sad, it is a normal reaction and it will pass. And i looked up in the sky, which i always love to do. The described where not the only things i did, but they helped a lot.

Every kind of physical exertion will be good, because maybe she is in one of that circles, where the same thoughts come again and again. If she is really that overweight, a good walk will be enough to divert her of some of her thoughts, because it will be hard.

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RE: Serious Lost & Depressed Partner - Could a M/S Rela... - 2/10/2010 10:40:06 PM   
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she asked me to leave her alone so she could hurt herself, which of course i didnt.


You should have. She blackmailed you, you fell for it, and turned you into an enabler. It is a pattern, and she needs counseling. She won't get that until you let her fall when she is trying to get you to catch her. Right now she can be as depressed and dysfunctional as she wants to be, because you are there protecting her. It will be hard to withdraw your support, but tough love is what is called for, or this will go on forever.



That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. You don't withdraw your support from someone who is depressed.

As for the OP, the concept that changing your relationship to M/s is also ridiculous. A power exchange relationship is not a substitute for professional therapy, or a cure for depression. Your partner is depressed over her current life situation, which is not entirely abnormal. She is frustrated with her weight, her self esteem is dropping, she is unemployed and the two of you are struggling financially. Quite honestly, an artist doesn't need a formal "studio" in order to work at their craft. Any place with good lighting where she can work in peace will work. Many people will draw or paint at a local park.

Call your local hospital and ask them about mental health services and charity care. I see you are in Australia and I honestly don't know how the system works there. Here in the states, most hospitals have charity care programs for low income people to get their health needs taken care of, both mental and physical. They should be able to direct you to places that work on a sliding scale. Call your local churches as well, most ministers, reverends, pastors, priest, rabbis do counseling as well. Yes many people who talk about hurting themselves do, but an even greater number of people who commit suicide don't talk about it they just do it.

In the states our unemployment offices also have job services where they can help your partner in her search. They usually also have support groups for people who are unemployed. There is no reason why she can't find a job that incorporates her skills. Advertising, public relations, marketing all have uses for artists.

The point is that she needs to get some professional help AND she needs to get out and do something. She is an artist, she can go to the local park and draw pictures and offer them for people to buy. She will be out, doing what she loves to do and maybe making some money. Are there art galleries in the area? Museums? When you are depressed, just getting up and getting dressed for the day can be a struggle, but each time you do it and manage to get something done it helps.

In the meantime, don't push the "lifestyle" stuff. It isn't a cure for any mental illness.

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RE: Serious Lost & Depressed Partner - Could a M/S Rela... - 2/10/2010 10:49:49 PM   
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Antipode, you hit a very important point.

He has to have the strength to withstand being manipulated by her. He can decide to play the drama scripted by her problems, but i would rather see him decide to tell her, that he expect her to seek help, because you can not solve problems like that in a relationship.

If she comes up with reasons why she do not want to seek help or that her problems are not serious, i in his shoes would get out, but i frankly admit that due to my bunch of crazies (family) i have hard rules concerning psychological/psychiatrical disorders.

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RE: Serious Lost & Depressed Partner - Could a M/S Rela... - 2/10/2010 11:49:47 PM   
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I've little to add to the almost universally excellent advice that's been given here.

I'm totally with elleX where it comes to her discussion of self-harm beng a clear red flag. We may not know how close your partner actually came to self harm, but the fact that it was raised at all is important.

I do disagree somewhat with Whiplashsmile4 - I think engaging in a D/s or M/s relationship would carry more risk than good, while Whiplashsmile4 makes a good point about coaching, I think you should be supporting your partner as a partner rather han a master at this stage.

Support your partner, encourage her to begin to take action - Getting out, small doses of regular exercise, minor changes in lifestyle can make a real difference.

Good luck to you both!


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RE: Serious Lost & Depressed Partner - Could a M/S Rela... - 2/11/2010 2:59:01 AM   
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I am sorry to hear that your partner is struggling.

Like many others I agree that the priority for the moment is that she seeks professional treatment rather than focusing on your bdsm relationship to provide the structure and support she needs.

Can you find a gp that bulk bills to see her?  Many gp's here have done extra training in mental health and can provide simple counseling and they can refer her to a psychologist for up to 6 sessions initially which will be part-subsidised by medicare. If you ring around the psychologists in Adelaide you may find a few that reduce the out of pocket fee for those on centrelink or a low income.

the other option is to see if there are other free mental health clinics in Adelaide.  It may be attached to one of the public hospitals and I am sure a gp would be able to provide more information about this.

A major concern for me is that you mention that it was the relatively minor event of her stockings being laddered which seems was the catalyst for her mentioning that she wanted to harm herself.  What if another seemingly minor event happens?  what strategies do you have in place to deal with this?  Do you have emergency numbers you can call?

In the front of your phone books there will be a list of emergency services and they should have some crisis phone numbers which are manned 24 hours a day.  Write these numbers down and stick a copy on the fridge, one in the bedroom and carry one in your wallet and one in hers. 

It is great that she is feeling a bit better now however the crisis was a signal that all isn't well and the support needs to be put into place now for her.

I wish you both all the best and I commend you for wanting to know how to help her.  Be her partner right now not her therapist


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RE: Serious Lost & Depressed Partner - Could a M/S Rela... - 2/11/2010 3:15:49 AM   
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i am not with the seek professional help crowd at all
unless you have made a proper effort yourselfs i would not go there...
i do not think people should go to the doctor for a pimple either.

if she feels fat
well, it seems a good idea to change your diet and do more excersize, go for nice vigorous long walks, very cheap and very uplifting

if she needs more contacts/ friends
she should get an easy job, waitressing or bar work can be energetic and very social and there are always positions to be found
or some voluntary job, maybe for a charity shop or something

in a nut shell
eat better, get active and go out

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RE: Serious Lost & Depressed Partner - Could a M/S Rela... - 2/11/2010 3:46:10 AM   
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Universities are usually a good bet for free stuff (especially if you like slightly crooked fillings), I had to log a certain number of hours of cognitive behavioural therapy as part of my psychiatry training, and I know that the psychology grad students had to do way more, and different types of therapy too. Of course mental health care in the UK is free anyway, but talk therapy is usually very very limited, run by charities or only partially subsidised, depending on your area and condition, so lots of people were grateful to get a free appointment with a student.

That plus painting in the park/volunteer work seems like a good plan to me. My housemate is a chronically unemployed artist (and part time model when he absolutely has to) and he does environmental volunteer work, rebuilding old stone walls on public land and getting rid of fallen trees mostly I think, keeps him busy anyway.

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RE: Serious Lost & Depressed Partner - Could a M/S Rela... - 2/11/2010 3:57:25 AM   
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What set it off a few days ago was her fave (and last) pair of stockings ran while trying to pull them high enough for her garter belt.

The stocking was only a trigger to her inner emotions


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Im thinking/hoping that enforcing a M/S relationship will give her a bit of a kick-start.




Enforcing M/s could in the long term cause more problems.

Please listen to me for a moment because I have had direct experience with this and it very nearly caused serious consequences.
Last year I went through a trauma. That trauma stopped me being my normal bubbly self. I don't think I became depressed but I was on an emotional roller coaster.
Steve was worried. Just as you love and care for your partner and are rightly showing concern, so did he. He decided to take the initiative and control the situation with his dominance. It was amazing stuff and just what I believed I needed at the time. He was like a strict and loving farther who structured my day and believe me, I thought he was the best medicine I could take.
The problem with me is I'm normally staunchly independent, outspoken and confident but the more we went down this route the more I started to hide behind him. He put me in a safe place but it was also a place where I didn't have to face up to getting on and over what I was going through. All the time I was feeling safe, I was becoming less and less confident, more and more reliant.
I was not sorting out my emotions, my grief and it was all slowly brewing inside until one day it was like a bomb going off in my head and I very, very nearly ended this beautiful relationship.
Kaiel calls it a bandaid and that is exactly what it is. It is a temporary cloak that confounds the internal issues and it is a very risky route to take.


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RE: Serious Lost & Depressed Partner - Could a M/S Rela... - 2/11/2010 3:58:43 AM   
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Greetings All,

Both my partner and I are Switches, both in regular life and in the bedroom.

Recently my partner has become quite depressed and lost.
She is quite overweight (hates her own image), has few local friends and cannot find work.
Our sex life has pretty much dropped to 0, which is very strange since normally she cant get enough.
She became so depressed/distraught a few days ago (first time ive seen her like this) that she asked me to leave her alone so she could hurt herself, which of course i didnt.
I am trying to cheer her up and get her motivated but it is very difficult :(

I am trying to decide if enforcing a Master (me) / Sub relationship would help her.
I would collar her, possibly write up a sub/slave contract, then go about setting her tasks, rewards, punishments, etc.

We do live together, and as i work from home, and she isnt working, we are around each other almost 24/7.

I think she would take to it quite well on the short term, but im not sure about longterm (which may be required).
I think i will find it very difficult to maintain the Master role however...

So, im looking for people with experience in such matters to give their opinions.
Will this work? Could it make things worse? Why?

Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer!



Antidepressants, Council, Therapy, Guidance, Patience, Understanding, Love.

Attack the root, not the leaves. The leaves will simply come back at another time-meaning-you may find instant gratification but will be subject to change. Some thought process that she cannot externalize is driving her to be chemically imbalanced.

The cake needs to be baked before the icing is placed.


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RE: Serious Lost & Depressed Partner - Could a M/S Rela... - 2/11/2010 5:02:13 AM   
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Antidepressants, Council, Therapy, Guidance, Patience, Understanding, Love.

Agreed, though I'd put proper sleep and a light-to-moderate physical exercise regime before those, Pyro.  Some recent tests have shown that exercise will give a pretty immediate boost to the spirits of those who are depressed.  It seems be something of a 'first aid' for depression, in fact.  In the OP's case, a brisk walk each day might be a good start.

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RE: Serious Lost & Depressed Partner - Could a M/S Rela... - 2/11/2010 5:25:23 AM   
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Wow...I'm amazed at how quickly a lot of people have recommended therapy and medication.
I could see if she had a history of depression, but that doesn't seem the case here.
That would seem like the last choice to me.

I would give her a tremendous amount of love and support. Be proactive in helping her find the positives in her life.
Go on walks, change your diets together, help her reestablish her artistic career.
Remind her of how beautiful she is to you. Be a positive influence over her life.




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RE: Serious Lost & Depressed Partner - Could a M/S Rela... - 2/11/2010 6:05:15 AM   
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Wow...I'm amazed at how quickly a lot of people have recommended therapy and medication.
I could see if she had a history of depression, but that doesn't seem the case here.
That would seem like the last choice to me.

I would give her a tremendous amount of love and support. Be proactive in helping her find the positives in her life.
Go on walks, change your diets together, help her reestablish her artistic career.
Remind her of how beautiful she is to you. Be a positive influence over her life.



Aileen, thank you.

I've been a little troubled by this as well. I would say counseling at the most right now, in regards to things. Unless it's so grave that she needs medication to hold her together. (visit to family doctor first). We all are faced with times of trouble and darkness. Just because somebody is in a stage of Depression does not mean it's serve enough to warrent the inmediate in take of drugs (anti-depressents).

I waned to make clarification of what I meant by profesional help, again which is counseling at the most. However, here's the deal with counseling. You walk into the office and you start to talk about shit. Times up. One hour passes so quickly. A week later, you walk into the office and do a lot of talking (times up). Frack?? WTF? Where's the Game Plan here? (does not happen quickly).

Generally speaking, the counseling will lead to one making self assetments and pointing out the obvious lifestyle or life changes we need to get Unstuck out of a rut. In short, they will help you focus upon the issues, and the things you can do to make changes.

Based on the OP stating she has no History of Depression. Ummmm... I'm not thinking she need to run off for the Medications. Then again, if it's so Bad at the moment. The Pills can be a sort of BandAid patch to hold her together. While the other issues are addressed.

Personally, M/s or not to M/s? Pfffft... There are different Dominant styles. Some styles just are lost and fracking clueless. Other styles, are problem addressing, fixing, tackling oriented.

Let me introduce the concept of a DOM getting UNDER THE HOOD (caps to accent the key word concept, not for yelling). Anyways, getting under the hood, really is on par with what a therapist does anyways. It's focused upon that popular age old classic thing people talk about time and time again here. COMMUNICATION.

The mental mind probing process is pretty simple. Ask a question, get an answer. Ask the person leading questions. (ones that provoke thought). Many times, people are the ones that hold the Keys to their own problems. Yet many people pay $100.00 to experience this process in counseling.

Self Help Books often do and can be effective. The thing I am going to STRESS, is try anything and everything you can think of to Address and deal with the issue. Regardless of how many Counseling Sessions somebody goes to. It's up to the Client to take action. I'm supportive of Counseling, but there also need to other WORK and GAMES plan set in motion. Things that tackle the ROOT of the Evil Depressive states. Again Self help books, can make one stop and think about things. To make personal accessments, along with excerises in coming up with Game Plans. If one book does not help. Screw it, move into another book. Going into a Book store, you can pick the books off the shelves. Skim read and check it out. Find ones that seem to address the problems. One's wrtten in a style that Connect with you.

The writting style of the Authors makes a difference. Some are extremly difficult to read, or ones that you simply can not connect with. At times, some books are prone to religious tones and such. If you're an athesist a book with a Christian/God tone in the writting, well just ain't going to help you.

If things are extremly bad, where one feels that Tranquilers or anti-depressents may help to hold things together. Go for it. You generally can see your regular family physician first. Talk to your Doctor first. I express this, because they often deal with this stuff. They know if they need to refer you somebody else.

At times when somebody's life is a mess, a help in hand does and can work. In my thoughts much can be said for the STYLE and Focus a Dominant has. Handle with care. Handle the situation with care and thoughtfulness. Education yourselves. Both the Dom and sub alike... strike that... BOTH PEOPLE.. in the relationship (regardless of what kind it is), need to address this issue.

Simply pushing your partner into the DOORS of Professional help, and expecting them alone to deal with and fix them, does not fully work. Couples Counseling maybe very effective here as well. You need to become tuned in and play an active role in your partners life, in this process.

Hope this post is some food for thought.

-Be Well

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RE: Serious Lost & Depressed Partner - Could a M/S Rela... - 2/11/2010 6:14:20 AM   
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she asked me to leave her alone so she could hurt herself, which of course i didnt.


You should have. She blackmailed you, you fell for it, and turned you into an enabler. It is a pattern, and she needs counseling. She won't get that until you let her fall when she is trying to get you to catch her. Right now she can be as depressed and dysfunctional as she wants to be, because you are there protecting her. It will be hard to withdraw your support, but tough love is what is called for, or this will go on forever.



Don't you ever consider what spills out of your mouth before opening it?
She cried for help and thank god she got it.
People don't say things like that because they are blackmailing someone. They say it because they are desperate.

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RE: Serious Lost & Depressed Partner - Could a M/S Rela... - 2/11/2010 7:33:46 AM   
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I'm with kaiel. People who are so severley depressed they are talking about hurting themselves need to talk to a professional. (I also am a therapsit) I have extensive expereince living with depressed subs, as in my house, all of us have been very depressed at some point, sometimes all at the same time.

The biggest advantage of the relationship is not the M/S part of it but the support that you can give her, and encouragement to take care of herself and get into therapy and to see a psychiatrist. There are medications that can help her in the short term, while she gains skills to last her in the long run.

I ugre you to look up the kink aware psychotherapists online to see if there is a provider in your area. Start with her Primary care physcian, while you look for a psychotherapist and a psychiatrist.  It is especially improtant that she speak with someone if she is talking about hurting herself. Good luck to both of you.

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