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ORIGINAL: heartcream

Dear Lord can we TALK about something else besides self-professed a-holes, the vibe is so nanananana.

Let's talk about, um.... what? Got any thing you wanna talk about?

Food?

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ORIGINAL: Level

I don't either, Aylee. There are geeks that are not assholes, and assholes that are not geeks.

If I understood (and right now, it highly possible I did NOT), Loki is saying that because he was a geek in school, that lead him to things happening, that made him decide to no longer care about how others thought of him. This, in turn, led to him behaving in ways that society, in general, may consider assholish.

For what it's worth: I do not always disagree with Loki. I think.... I just tend to see much less of the things he sees. But are there a lot of women that are horrible, hypocritical, shrews? Sure. Plenty of them on CM. Hell, there are some women I generally like, that flirt with that kind of behaviour. The thing is, I see the same (although manifesting in different ways, at times), from men. I think (guess?) that he just seems to respond more strongly in response to the women doing these things, or so it seems.

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I've enjoyed this part of the discussion (LA, LaT, and yourself) because I am scratching my head about the same thing. You've chosen to be an asshole as you term it, based mostly on past experiences, and slightly on having grown up a geek (in respect that you don't care about other people's opinions). You seem fixed on this path, but I don't see the payback.

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For example, you could meet, or may have already met someone who's a 95% match, but the greeting you gave them turned them off.

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It's almost like your ideal match will tolerate any and all asshole behavior from you. What would a woman look forward to in such a relationship? Would these traits overcome being on the receiving end of perpetual assholery?

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: Level

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

I've enjoyed this part of the discussion (LA, LaT, and yourself)

Ditto. Interesting.

I did as well, however I just cannot equate geek with asshole automatically. 

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ORIGINAL: Level

I don't think he sees it as "all women"; he's mentioned female friends that get him, and his response to LA indicated that he did not include her, for instance. When he posts the sweeping comments, I think it's his way of countering what he sees as sweeping jabs at men. Tit for tat.

I'm not defending him; for one thing, he doesn't need me to do so, also, I don't always agree with his comments, or the way he presents them. Sometimes he makes valid points.

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ORIGINAL: Level

I don't think he sees it as "all women"; he's mentioned female friends that get him, and his response to LA indicated that he did not include her, for instance. When he posts the sweeping comments, I think it's his way of countering what he sees as sweeping jabs at men. Tit for tat.

I'm not defending him; for one thing, he doesn't need me to do so, also, I don't always agree with his comments, or the way he presents them. Sometimes he makes valid points.

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

personally I enjoy women who talk. One of the highlights of my week is when I drop the kids off at the ex's, we have dinner and talk...its pleasant and refreshing.

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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ORIGINAL: Level

I don't think he sees it as "all women"; he's mentioned female friends that get him, and his response to LA indicated that he did not include her, for instance. When he posts the sweeping comments, I think it's his way of countering what he sees as sweeping jabs at men. Tit for tat.

I'm not defending him; for one thing, he doesn't need me to do so, also, I don't always agree with his comments, or the way he presents them. Sometimes he makes valid points.

I agree with all of this Level. I doubt Loki and I will always see eye to eye on things . But I treated him with consideration and respect and he returned the same to me. That is a lot more than I can say for many people I meet on and off these boards.

- LA

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Aylee: I tend to agree; I have no stats to back up anything I say, I only have what I see in my day to day life.

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
My apologies. I misread your words to mean that you were using the geek aspects as a reason for the asshole feature. It is unfortunate that you have allowed a few bad relationship choices to change your personality so dramatically. The positive is that you are quite comfortable with your asshole-ness. Even appear to embrace it. Which would cause an armchair psychiatrist to wonder if it hasn't simply become a very convenient armour against future bad relationship choices.

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ORIGINAL: Level

Aylee: I tend to agree; I have no stats to back up anything I say, I only have what I see in my day to day life.

Who is Mary Daly? Is she hot?

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ORIGINAL: Wolf2Bear

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ORIGINAL: Loki45

The more succinct answer is -- I'm an asshole because I'm an asshole. I don't care what you think of my being an asshole because I grew up a geek and never cared what anyone's opinion of me is.

Quite an interesting statement.

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I never yet heard a woman say she was an asshole and be proud of it

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: Level

Aylee: I tend to agree; I have no stats to back up anything I say, I only have what I see in my day to day life.

Who is Mary Daly? Is she hot?

Level, Dr. Daly died in January at the age of 81, so I suppose if you are into corpses.

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A quickie from wiki. . . Daly’s Gyn/Ecology: The Metaethics of Radical Feminism (1978) argues that men throughout history have sought to oppress women. In this book she moves beyond her previous thoughts on the history of patriarchy to the focus on the actual practices that, in her view, perpetuate patriarchy, which she calls a religion.

Now, keep in mind that she did later update the book with a new forward.

However, from the book:

“On a practical, tactical level women are using new words and transforming/re-calling meanings of old words. . . Our clothing is useful for guerrilla tactics in situations of confrontation” (Daly 340).

Women who break though the imprisoning walls of the Playboys’ Playground are entering a process which is our happening/happiness. This is Paradise beyond the boundaries of "paradise." Since our passage into this process requires making breaks in the walls, it means setting free the fair game, breaking the rules of the games, breaking the names of the games. Breaking through the foreground which is the Playboys’ Playground means letting out the bunnies, the bitches, the beavers, the squirrels, the chicks, the pussycats, the cows, the nags, the foxy ladies, the old bats and biddies, so they can at last begin naming themselves (Daly 7).

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

LA, I think when a woman says she is a bitch, it can mean a few things.

1. She thinks she has to be that way to get through life
2. She is kidding.
3. She thinks that men like women who are bitches.