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I don't think he sees it as "all women"; he's mentioned female friends that get him, and his response to LA indicated that he did not include her, for instance. When he posts the sweeping comments, I think it's his way of countering what he sees as sweeping jabs at men. Tit for tat.

I'm not defending him; for one thing, he doesn't need me to do so, also, I don't always agree with his comments, or the way he presents them. Sometimes he makes valid points.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

I could introduce you to a few who are bitches and proud of it ;-)

- LA

Being a Bitch isn't about stepping on other people, or reality TV-style sabotage antics. Its about working hard for what you want, and knowing when to stand up for what you deserve. Its not about demoralizing others; its about self-empowerment. Its not about being arrogant; its about displaying your confidence and intellect as a badge of pride. Its not asserting any inherent superiority or self-entitlement, but recognizing your own self-worth and value.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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I hate much of academia. Doesn't mean they're wrong, they just seem hell bent of speaking mumbo jumbo.

What was she getting at, and how does it apply to Loki?

I was trying to show you a couple of quotes about taking back language.  I commented about Loki using a radical feminist tactic.  I was showing you where I am getting that from. 

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

I could introduce you to a few who are bitches and proud of it ;-)

- LA

Being a Bitch isn't about stepping on other people, or reality TV-style sabotage antics. Its about working hard for what you want, and knowing when to stand up for what you deserve. Its not about demoralizing others; its about self-empowerment. Its not about being arrogant; its about displaying your confidence and intellect as a badge of pride. Its not asserting any inherent superiority or self-entitlement, but recognizing your own self-worth and value.

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
The bad boy self proclaimed assholes were the ones who treated everyone around them badly, even waiters and waitresses for example, who did alot of fucked up things and always, always, ALWAYS when questioned on why they behaved the way they did, said, "Well, I TOLD you I was an asshole and you stayed with me."

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2. Women should stay the hell away from asshole guys.

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Aylee: ah-ha, I understand what you meant now. I don't necessarily agree with the feminist's tactic, however, not in whole. And I don't agree with what a Bitch is, but I suppose that'd be an example of me being patriachal LOL.

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ORIGINAL: Wolf2Bear
Seems to me that just because a person grew up identifying as a geek does not equate to being an asshole in adulthood.....my perception is that being an asshole is a learned behavioral trait that a person could change if they seriously wanted to. It has been my experience that many people who adopt that type of attitude do so as a facade to hide who they actually are inside. I could be very well wrong on this yet that is how I perceive this.

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ORIGINAL: Loki45

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The bad boy self proclaimed assholes were the ones who treated everyone around them badly, even waiters and waitresses for example, who did alot of fucked up things and always, always, ALWAYS when questioned on why they behaved the way they did, said, "Well, I TOLD you I was an asshole and you stayed with me."

I guess I'm a unique asshole then. Because I treat waitstaff very well. Perhaps because I was one for awhile. Generally, I try and treat strangers nicely -- with the benefit of the doubt. But if they make the slightest rude little misstep....yeah, I can be a dick pretty quick.

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2. Women should stay the hell away from asshole guys.

This couldn't be more true. However, it doesn't matter who many women have "been down that road" or how many moms tell this to their daughters....they never get it UNTIL they experience it. Which is why the assholes always seem to have their pick of women. The naive woman confuses assholeness with confidence and flocks to it like a moth to a flame.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Being a Bitch isn't about stepping on other people, or reality TV-style sabotage antics. Its about working hard for what you want, and knowing when to stand up for what you deserve. Its not about demoralizing others; its about self-empowerment. Its not about being arrogant; its about displaying your confidence and intellect as a badge of pride. Its not asserting any inherent superiority or self-entitlement, but recognizing your own self-worth and value.

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You could not be more correct on this point.

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Aylee: ah-ha, I understand what you meant now. I don't necessarily agree with the feminist's tactic, however, not in whole. And I don't agree with what a Bitch is, but I suppose that'd be an example of me being patriachal LOL.

Try being in my world and then the concept of bitch takes on an entirely new meaning.

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ORIGINAL: Loki45

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Seems to me that just because a person grew up identifying as a geek does not equate to being an asshole in adulthood.....my perception is that being an asshole is a learned behavioral trait that a person could change if they seriously wanted to. It has been my experience that many people who adopt that type of attitude do so as a facade to hide who they actually are inside. I could be very well wrong on this yet that is how I perceive this.

Careful, you're doing a little of what LT did. I'm not an asshole because I grew up a geek. The two are not inclusive. I don't *care* because I grew up a geek. I'm an asshole for entirely different reasons.

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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I could introduce you to a few who are bitches and proud of it ;-)

- LA

Being a Bitch isn't about stepping on other people, or reality TV-style sabotage antics. Its about working hard for what you want, and knowing when to stand up for what you deserve. Its not about demoralizing others; its about self-empowerment. Its not about being arrogant; its about displaying your confidence and intellect as a badge of pride. Its not asserting any inherent superiority or self-entitlement, but recognizing your own self-worth and value.

Well you and I have very different definitions of the word bitch. Because I do all that and I don't consider myself to be a bitch at all, because I don't chew people up and spit them out, leaving them in my trail as I've seen some bitches do.

- LA

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You could not be more correct on this point.

I know. I saw, see it and will continue to see it on a dialy basis. It was one of the great sources of frustration that I saw. Now...it works in my favor. Or at least it would if I were looking for a relationship. But as others have pointed out, the type of girl that would be drawn to me now, likely doesn't have any of the other qualities that I would look for.

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Embracing the term in a positive manner reclaims the term to be used by women for women instead of against women.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Bitch is one of the powerful epitaphs/epithets used to pull women into line. Other epitaphs/epithets include cunt, slut, whore, and fat. The Bitch is and can be a positive female role in American society if more women ready and willing to face down negative stereotypes and patriarchal role can embrace her. When you get a full understanding of what is being said with the injunction, "Don’t be a bitch," the meaning is: do not be a difficult or unpleasant, spiteful, lewd female, or just do not be female.

Elizabeth Wurtzel sums it up best when she wrote: "She may, in fact, be as nice as can be, but as soon as she says catch me if you can I’m so free this is my life and the rest can fuck off and die – as soon as she lays down the option of my way or the highway, it’s amazing how quickly everyone finds her difficult, crazy, a nightmare: a bitch."


Embracing the term in a positive manner reclaims the term to be used by women for women instead of against women. 

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Therefore, the confident and intelligent woman becomes a bitch to the viewer

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Try being in my world and then the concept of bitch takes on an entirely new meaning.

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Well then you go ahead and embrace the term bitch.

I will continue to attribute it to women who behave with no integrity and respect for others, who decide that it is ok to slander, accuse, rip them a new one, etc, all in the name of reclaiming something or other.

And I will continue to do my best to be a Lady and making progress through diplomacy and earning people's respect. Deal?

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Take note LadyAngelika. This is a great example of those who try to answer for me with a half-assed attempt at an insult. They don't get it and never will.

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Quite possible. But we'll never know. The irony is that since I became an asshole, my prospects have increased dramatically. Which is another fact that frustrates the hell out of me. When I was a nice guy -- no one gave me the time of day. As an asshole who clearly does *not* want a relationship.....prospects abound. It's like a memo was sent out -- "Flirt with him now!!!"

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You wouldn't see the payback. But I do, everyday. With every interaction, I see the truth of the situation. I'm as astounded that women talk to me now as I was to learn that women seemed to like assholes more than nice guys. I can't fathom why chicks talk to me now -- but they do. They respond very well, in fact. It blows my mind on a constant basis.

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True, I could have already met her and pushed her away. Don't think I haven't considered it. It's actually one of the arguments I use when my friend's wife lectures me about how "the right one is out there." If I were looking for the right one, I suppose I'd be concerned. Since I'm not, I guess I don't care. People always said the right one will be the right one no matter what. Supposedly when that kind of match is made, the 'right one' will see right through all my issues and bullshit and see the real me. If I believed that, that is.

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This is a pretty accurate way to put it. This could also lead to the arguments I've had with exes who said in the beginning "oh you're not an asshole," only to later proclaim (during a fight) "you're such an asshole!" The irony is mind-boggling.

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Does it hurt to be this wrong?

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 I'm just curious because you've overlooked my entire, well-thought-out discussion with LadyA and formed your own assumptions and misconceptions about me. Why don't you just read my long-winded posts instead of making such assinine and incorrect statements?

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Therefore, the confident and intelligent woman becomes a bitch to the viewer

A lot of truth there, sadly.