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RE: Doormats - 3/4/2010 2:31:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Although I didn't identify anyone specifically posting to this thread, my position stands. My first hand experience in real life with the many people I've met, supports it and qualifies my broad-stroke 'keyboard' representation.

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ORIGINAL: Icarys
I've met a crap load of women from this site but that doesn't mean I'm anything but me.

I am no different from my encounters either; however I have formed opinions based on those experiences.

Related to this issue, their image and use of labels changed dramatically when they decided to come out from behind the computer keyboard. More to the point, although they may have not endeared themselves to any label or identity they appreciated that having real time experience changed their perspective and led to them being more accepting. Gender wasn't a condition of that occurrence.

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I find that I agree with a lot of what you say but that line there I don't..

I once heard someone say they prefer clarity over agreement. I respect that your first hand experience differs from mine; I appreciate that you don't agree with me. I trust I've been clear.

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RE: Doormats - 3/4/2010 2:51:19 PM

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I once heard someone say they prefer clarity over agreement. I respect that your first hand experience differs from mine; I appreciate that you don't agree with me. I trust I've been clear.

I'm sitting here smiling and want to toss up a sign that says "This Rocks", sincerely. One of those expressions that is just priceless. One of those Motto's that can framed and hang up on wall. I mean this without any sarcasism (added that for clarity).

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RE: Doormats - 3/4/2010 3:59:09 PM

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Hello. Making My bi-weekly visit to the Doormat thread. Whiplash said:

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Some Doormats would make Beautiful slaves.

I would agree but only after they can admit and believe they are NOT doormats. But then again, I think almost any girl could be trained to be a great slave by the right Master given enough time and energy and patience. (I'm not being egotistical. I may not be right for some girls.)

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RE: Doormats - 3/4/2010 4:05:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lorenzo19

Hello. Making My bi-weekly visit to the Doormat thread. Whiplash said:

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Some Doormats would make Beautiful slaves.

I would agree but only after they can admit and believe they are NOT doormats. But then again, I think almost any girl could be trained to be a great slave by the right Master given enough time and energy and patience. (I'm not being egotistical. I may not be right for some girls.)

I have my doubts about some that claim to be great slaves, they are such great slaves they wouldn't allow any master to ruin their slavery

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RE: Doormats - 3/4/2010 4:31:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Although I didn't identify anyone specifically posting to this thread, my position stands. My first hand experience in real life with the many people I've met, supports it and qualifies my broad-stroke 'keyboard' representation.

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ORIGINAL: Icarys
I've met a crap load of women from this site but that doesn't mean I'm anything but me.

I am no different from my encounters either; however I have formed opinions based on those experiences.

Related to this issue, their image and use of labels changed dramatically when they decided to come out from behind the computer keyboard. More to the point, although they may have not endeared themselves to any label or identity they appreciated that having real time experience changed their perspective and led to them being more accepting. Gender wasn't a condition of that occurrence.

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ORIGINAL: Icarys
I find that I agree with a lot of what you say but that line there I don't..

I once heard someone say they prefer clarity over agreement. I respect that your first hand experience differs from mine; I appreciate that you don't agree with me. I trust I've been clear.

I really never give it any thought that someone isn't "real" here. Especially because they decide to debate over a certain thing. I don't know you or beth personally but I wouldn't mind meeting. I think I've made that clear. In the ende for me it doesn't matter if a person has ever had any "real life" experience..They are the ones missing out and if they want to lie about it..That's on them.. I feel sorry for those that feel they have to and for those that feel having "real life" experience makes them the Big Dom on campus. I've mentioned to you that I don't go to munches or meets..Does that make me "fake"?

My experience is neither greater or lesser than another.. I don't take from my experience as if that makes me this or that..It in no way makes a person special to me. I don't feel the need to express it as a standard of which I am measured by nor do I look on others with 20 years and just accept their words for anything. When it comes to clarity I know I'm clear about things. As for agreement..it is what it is on a case by case basis.

Clear is this: I don't like you or you treat your slave like crap..That's my form of clear.

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RE: Doormats - 3/4/2010 5:06:39 PM

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I have my doubts about some that claim to be great slaves, they are such great slaves they wouldn't allow any master to ruin their slavery

That had me smiling between my fighting against a migraine and doing some much needed office stuff in our home, you brightened my break.

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RE: Doormats - 3/4/2010 5:22:01 PM

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I am no different from my encounters either; however I have formed opinions based on those experiences.

Related to this issue, their image and use of labels changed dramatically when they decided to come out from behind the computer keyboard. More to the point, although they may have not endeared themselves to any label or identity they appreciated that having real time experience changed their perspective and led to them being more accepting. Gender wasn't a condition of that occurrence.

Maybe others have changed but my labels haven't changed. I still look for my idea of what a slave is. My idea of how others fit that or didn't fit that and my acceptance of it has. By my standards about 95% or better of the females I've met don't fill the submissive definition but that's only as I see it. I don't believe for a second that my definition is a standard that anyone but myself and the female I find to fit it should adhere to. Same goes for the term "Doormat". My version of it is a healthier and prettier one.

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RE: Doormats - 3/4/2010 5:27:07 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Icarys

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I am no different from my encounters either; however I have formed opinions based on those experiences.

Related to this issue, their image and use of labels changed dramatically when they decided to come out from behind the computer keyboard. More to the point, although they may have not endeared themselves to any label or identity they appreciated that having real time experience changed their perspective and led to them being more accepting. Gender wasn't a condition of that occurrence.

Maybe others have changed but my labels haven't changed. I still look for my idea of what a slave is. My idea of how others fit that or didn't fit that and my acceptance of it has. By my standards about 95% or better of the females I've met don't fill the submissive definition but that's only as I see it. I don't believe for a second that my definition is a standard that anyone but myself and the female I find to fit it should adhere to. Same goes for the term "Doormat". My version of it is a healthier and prettier one.

I no longer think in terms of labels, I want to know how obedient she is or wants to be

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RE: Doormats - 3/4/2010 5:33:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: osf

quote:

ORIGINAL: Icarys

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I am no different from my encounters either; however I have formed opinions based on those experiences.

Related to this issue, their image and use of labels changed dramatically when they decided to come out from behind the computer keyboard. More to the point, although they may have not endeared themselves to any label or identity they appreciated that having real time experience changed their perspective and led to them being more accepting. Gender wasn't a condition of that occurrence.

Maybe others have changed but my labels haven't changed. I still look for my idea of what a slave is. My idea of how others fit that or didn't fit that and my acceptance of it has. By my standards about 95% or better of the females I've met don't fill the submissive definition but that's only as I see it. I don't believe for a second that my definition is a standard that anyone but myself and the female I find to fit it should adhere to. Same goes for the term "Doormat". My version of it is a healthier and prettier one.

I no longer think in terms of labels, I want to know how obedient she is or wants to be

Labels are needed to point us in the right direction but that doesn't mean there is truth in what's advertised. They don't say everything about us either nor are they meant to.

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RE: Doormats - 3/4/2010 5:42:19 PM

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I no longer think in terms of labels, I want to know how obedient she is or wants to be

obedient is a label

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RE: Doormats - 3/4/2010 6:39:46 PM

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I no longer think in terms of labels, I want to know how obedient she is or wants to be

obedient is a label

obedience is also a behaviour

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RE: Doormats - 3/4/2010 11:24:33 PM

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~FR

submissive is also a lable and a behavior.

i dont see the point.

she may not be obedient for you, and utterly obedient for another.

she may not want to be so with you. yet you may find her crawling behind a man who trips her trigger.

just sayin....

as far as the "fake" issue goes, unless you have interacted and spent time with the people from the boards, you cannot state for a fact if someone is fake or not. interesting how those who scream the loudest about "twue" ways are the ones promoting them.

again, just sayin...

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RE: Doormats - 3/5/2010 5:33:17 AM

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submissive is also a lable and a behavior.

i dont see the point.

she may not be obedient for you, and utterly obedient for another.

she may not want to be so with you. yet you may find her crawling behind a man who trips her trigger.

just sayin....

as far as the "fake" issue goes, unless you have interacted and spent time with the people from the boards, you cannot state for a fact if someone is fake or not. interesting how those who scream the loudest about "twue" ways are the ones promoting them.

again, just sayin...

Now why would i concern myself about how obedient she was or was not for somebody else?

seems rather silly to me

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RE: Doormats - 3/5/2010 8:02:23 AM

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osf, the point she's making is that calling someone "fake" because they are incompatible with you is absurd. "Fake" is appropriately used for the Nigerian spammer types, but not for someone who just has a different approach to D/s than you do.

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RE: Doormats - 3/5/2010 8:23:41 AM

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I need to make this perfectly clear, omg now I am sounding like Nixon, but these following remarks by me is not pointing at anyone. it is just a philosophy of mine that I will share.

For those who think someone is fake without knowing the person, they should look at themselves. Only way to know a person is to be that person, and that isn't going to happen. When we feel the need to slap our feelings behind labels in a negative way, we usually are mirroring something that within us we fear might be us.

okay...enough of my babbling...

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RE: Doormats - 3/5/2010 8:50:00 AM

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My back hurts...can someone please walk all over me?

I figure with all the attention riveted upon doormats, this was the best place to advertise.

WinD

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RE: Doormats - 3/5/2010 9:09:20 AM

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My back hurts...can someone please walk all over me?

I figure with all the attention riveted upon doormats, this was the best place to advertise.

WinD

Oh so not fair. I too need someone to walk all over my back too. whine.............:)

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RE: Doormats - 3/5/2010 9:30:58 AM

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My back hurts...can someone please walk all over me?

I figure with all the attention riveted upon doormats, this was the best place to advertise.

WinD

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RE: Doormats - 3/5/2010 9:32:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Although I didn't identify anyone specifically posting to this thread, my position stands. My first hand experience in real life with the many people I've met, supports it and qualifies my broad-stroke 'keyboard' representation.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Icarys
I find that I agree with a lot of what you say but that line there I don't..

I once heard someone say they prefer clarity over agreement. I respect that your first hand experience differs from mine; I appreciate that you don't agree with me. I trust I've been clear.

Then again, sometimes when you think you are clear....

Seems like some people have been trying this shoe on to see if it fits.

Read it again. There was nothing pointing to anyone being or accused of being a "fake". I said that many, I would say all but of the many people I've met I'm sure at least one or two did not alter their perspective, people with only had 'on-line' to draw upon change their attitude regarding labels and absolute definitions once they step out from behind the keyboard.

My opinion comes from direct first hand experiences - yours may differ and I was not trying to convince anyone otherwise; ergo the "clarity over agreement" comment.

As far as personal representation; every time it's asked, I point out that beth is really a made up character and in reality is the alter ego of my life mate; a 380 pounds, bald, male. Both of us living in my parents basement in the Vailsburg section of Newark. Anyone who has met us in person will validate that representation.

BTW - for the semantically inclined, would 'fake' rank above or below 'doormat' on the insult scale? I'm starting a 'one-true-definition' for on-line BDSM message boards. I already have bob (whoops I mean beth) doing the research.

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RE: Doormats - 3/5/2010 10:05:10 AM

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osf, the point she's making is that calling someone "fake" because they are incompatible with you is absurd. "Fake" is appropriately used for the Nigerian spammer types, but not for someone who just has a different approach to D/s than you do.

did i call anyone fake?

my point was i gauge her by a different standard as to her suitability for me

others may use a different yard stick

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