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Suggestions On Subduing A Man? - 2/28/2010 6:24:40 PM   
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hi. i'm a month into the lifestyle, the comm, and seeing a switch male. enthralling place and thanks for having me. :)

in my first encounter with my switch, Wood, i was submissive and he was dominant. we're coming up on our next appointment in two weeks, and our personal relationship has grown such that Wood has offered to submit to me IF i can take him, since i've exhibited the personality and desire for dominance. the thing is that he's a big guy, so it's not like i can just wrestle him to the ground and tie him down. so i'm looking for suggestions on how to physically take charge of a man, fast and in a way that he can't get out of quickly. he's already suggested that i try it when he's sleeping or otherwise indisposed. i need a wily and dirty strategy, basically. the outside parameters are that we have a rough and tumble naturalist sex life, that he's a foot taller than me and athletic and combat trained, and that if i hit him, he'll hit me back (not to injure, but you know, if i open the door to slapping him, i'm sure to catch one across the cheek and several bruising palm prints across the ass). any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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RE: Suggestions On Subduing A Man? - 2/28/2010 6:26:44 PM   
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stun gun.  from behind.

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RE: Suggestions On Subduing A Man? - 2/28/2010 6:30:20 PM   
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Have a look at the link in this post http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3089163  it might be fun and a bit of a surprise.

Good luck.

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RE: Suggestions On Subduing A Man? - 2/28/2010 6:31:02 PM   
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where i could i get a stun gun? and does it hurt really badly? because anything that i do to him becomes a part of the repertoire, so to speak. turnabout is fair play, and i dunno if i want to get stun-gunned at random in the future.

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RE: Suggestions On Subduing A Man? - 2/28/2010 8:22:43 PM   
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Handcuffs? Go in for a hug or something, and slap them on real quick. Better if you manage to get his hands behind his back as you lock him in.

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RE: Suggestions On Subduing A Man? - 2/28/2010 9:11:18 PM   
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i thought about handcuffs since he has plenty. he said he'll show me how to use them but, i dunno. he has more experience then me by far. i guess i'm worried about trying and failing because there are consequences to failing, and not just a chuck under the chin and a "better luck next time."

does anyone know anything about wrestling? like, how not to get thrown off of someone?

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RE: Suggestions On Subduing A Man? - 3/1/2010 12:42:47 AM   
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Forget the wrestling, you need to do an awful lot of training and I think the stun gun was a joke.
Sounds to me like the guy wants to switch but isn't quite ready to let go. He still needs to know that your capable of dominating him and not just fulfilling a need in him.
I find taking over in the bedroom 'sexual dominance' tends to work well but your probably not that far yet?
Suggest sensual sensation play like hot wax and ice to begin with. If he starts showing signs of being turned on then gently take it a step further.
Hows your rope work? Tell him you have been practicing with ropes and will he be your subject for some sensual rope bondage. Once you have him firmly tied up and attached to something solid he's yours.
If he is physically going to fight you then he's making your job near on impossible and he needs telling firmly that you object to it. He needs to know you object or this will all end up as an impossible game and if he really is a switch its him that is going to end up dissatisfied.

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RE: Suggestions On Subduing A Man? - 3/1/2010 1:55:07 PM   
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allthatjazz, good ideas! Wood said that i don't have to totally contain him, just demonstrate control of the situation. maybe i was misunderstanding what "control" means because when he has control of me, i literally can't move more than a few inches. i mentioned to him last night that i was doing research. Wood vetoed stun guns as well and offered to show me how to use handcuffs or restraints or whatever else i want to use. i think i'm just expecting myself to be slow and clumsy with things that i've never used before. you know, if i fumble with handcuffs, he isn't going to stand there and wait.

what do you mean by "sexual dominance" in the bedroom? i don't think i am that far. i'm really new to this, and last time i was with him, i basically just glutted myself with the pleasure of whatever he wanted to do to me. that said, i don't have any rope work yet.

as a likely scenario, last time, i gave him a massage, and there were plenty of opportunities then to get the jump on him. i'm just not sure how to exploit it? like, i had him on his stomach and all relaxed and trusting before, but what should i do then? like i said, Wood said that if i gain control, he'll allow me to tie him up and whatever else. so maybe what i'm asking is how do i turn the tone of the moment so that i'm calling the shots? is there a certain thing to do, grab him by the hair and make a threat or something?




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RE: Suggestions On Subduing A Man? - 3/2/2010 5:09:26 PM   
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Get him naked.
Handcuff him.
Grab him by the balls.
Squeeze.  Harder.

That'll subdue any man.  He may just enjoy it, too.

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RE: Suggestions On Subduing A Man? - 3/2/2010 5:11:01 PM   
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You had better not be there when the cuffs come off.

Trust Me..... you are gonna want to call a neighbor...:)

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RE: Suggestions On Subduing A Man? - 3/2/2010 5:25:55 PM   
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Get a short length of chain. Padlelock one end of the chain to the bed frame. Lock one side of a set of cuffs (wrist or ankle) to the other end of the chain. while he is sleeping all you have to do is lock the other side of the cuffs to either a wrist or ankle (or around his balls if you can get away with it!) Make sure all keys are out of his reach beforehand. He will have to cooperate in order for you to go get the keys and set him free.

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RE: Suggestions On Subduing A Man? - 3/2/2010 5:34:15 PM   
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To the OP
I would suggest that you set the scene as a "developing the connection" with soft sensual play, trust me, after he releases, if he is like most men, he will be fast asleep and you can whip out the restraints hidden under the bed. Go for nylon and velcro, the cold metal of handcuffs will wake him immediately. If he is as skilled in the physical aspects as you suggest, no amount of return physical effort is going to work. Use the tried and true methods women have called upon for eons - your brains first, body second.

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RE: Suggestions On Subduing A Man? - 3/2/2010 5:50:48 PM   
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I thought I could resist easily my first time. The guy was younger, a bit taller but lighter and, believe me, end of the night I was his for a long time. He enticed me with the sexual advances after a few drinks. whoever on here said men cave to sex is soooo right. Getting turned on left me smiling and agreeing to some things I normally would have stopped early. Once I was naked he in jeans still and rubbing me to near orgasm a quick grab of my hair while rubbing my cock and slowly going down on my knees, led quickly to restraints that were ready on the bed and then, once over the bed my butt was his. I felt myself going but he turned me on to where I felt it was all good and was willing to let him have his way! WHICH HE DID OVER AND OVER! I went from dom/switch to pure sub in one night.

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RE: Suggestions On Subduing A Man? - 3/2/2010 9:56:17 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zQ0_d-BFM4

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RE: Suggestions On Subduing A Man? - 3/3/2010 1:21:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressEllen444


If he is as skilled in the physical aspects as you suggest, no amount of return physical effort is going to work. Use the tried and true methods women have called upon for eons - your brains first, body second.


Pay heed to this. Control the mind and the rest will follow.

When I said sexual I meant verbal. Verbal control is just as powerful as physical, possibly more so. Sensual domination can only really come from a mind that is turned on through the act of domination though. Anything else will feel staged and false.
What I meant by sexual domination is taking charge, being on top and getting him to pleasure you. Whisper in his ear what your going to do to him if he doesn't perform well. Tell him his cock and balls belong to you and demand that he tells you that. You can always slap him around a bit and make him work harder!

I am happy to chat to you on the other side if you want to write to me.

Be aware that all of us when starting off where threatened with a little stage fright when it came to doing the physical things, especially if we felt that we were being put to the test and judged in some way. As time goes by it becomes easier and eventually it flows perfectly and becomes very exciting.

Regards

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RE: Suggestions On Subduing A Man? - 3/3/2010 8:31:26 AM   
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Gay man's perspective: Tease it (his submission) out of him (as suggested above.)

General comments: Physical control is for cops and the military.  Being submissive is near-to-ones heart.  He might be a true sub who was trained to be physically dominant because he needed those skills to stay alive.  Now that he is in a safe situation, he can let his true submissive feelings loose.

So, the REAL question is how do you get him to say "Yes, ma'am"?  My idea would be to "go" with the military training and build on that.  Get a quickie class/book/advice on close order drill.  The U.S.Army book is FM 22-5  which is pronounced "eff em" (for Field Manual) 22 "dash" 5.  Step by step instructions on what is expected of your commands.  Practice a command voice. (There's a few pages on how to "give" orders-better yet, try youtube.)

So, you set him up by:

A) Asking him to train you how to use handcuffs - SEPARATE from your "scheduled" session.  Should only take a few minutes.
B) Have cuffs and riding crop visible when "ready to go."
C) "Subbie, Fall In." - First word is the type of "group" Must be 2 syallables - platoon, company, detail, etc. - AHhhh... that's it.  He has been "detailed" to serve you.  "Detailed" as in his written orders have been detailed as to place, time, duties, etc.... you could get a copy and then "make" a facsimile, but "Orders" are ...... rare.  Mostly used to detail re-assignments.  Details as to new post location, when to be there, mode of transport, etc.  I digress, but thanks for the idea about written orders.... I know JUST the person to use that on. LOL!
So we have:
C) Detail - Fall in. (should be at attention.)
D) Detail - Present Arms. (Should salute - I bet he's smiling - to which you say---- "Mister, wipe that smile off your face.")
E) Detail - Order Arms.  (This is where YOU can make or break the scene.  Practice, practice, practice with a military friend - either gender - doesn't matter.  What matters is tone of voice, rythym, breath and pronuciation.  Try youtube - search "close order drill".)  He's now back at attention.

And now you get to dom him.  Inspect him..... total authority in your voice as you go over every ounce of his uniform.... DAMN!  Just had a great idea! At end of hand-cuff training, tell him to wear his best dress uniform - and be sure to tell him that you will NOT destroy or harm it - anymore than you would harm him.  That's a GREAT idea, because as he polishes his shoes, he WILL be thinking about his service to you.....

Back to our regularly scheduled inspection. Fine tooth comb - hair outta place, buttons not aligned vertically - each get one "gig" point.  Pile 'em on... I'm sure you can find something, anything.... lots of them.  He won't have to be told that "gig" points = punishment strokes.  DO NOT tell him that - his mind will race.  Look up "gig line" - vertical shirt opening MUST line up vertically with pants opening.  You can start play here - "Mister. What the fuck? Your gig line is outta place. (regardless.)  That's 5 points and you fucking know it.  But this time, I'll be nice as your mamma and straighten it for you, but I'd better never see it that way again!"  You get to play with front of pants wedgie - kinda thing, leaving him in-line.  If he winces, moves or anything - gig points with some verbal "What kinda pussy are you, Mister?  Can't take a little help getting that gig line in place?"  He'd better be silent.  Then you can bark "Mister, I asked you a question.  What kinda pussy ARE you?"  His answer should be "Ma'am, I'm your pussy, Ma'am."  Your face looking dead onto his face.  His eyes MUST be straight forward, not seeing yors.  If he glances at you--- "Mister, wht the fuck are you looking at?" He'd better not answer.  That's 5 gig points for deriliction of duty.... You keep your eye on the ball, Mister, or I'll have you court-martialed and they'll cut OFF your balls, you son-of-a-bitch. I might just do that to save all them Generals the time."  Do you get me, mister? -   He MUST answer: Ma'am, yes, maa'am!

Lather, rinse, repeat....

When you are getting tired.....(go to next step well before your voice shows that you are getting tired.)

Mister, I want to see just how fucked up that hair is.  You snap to attention -oops forgot to say ALL your caommands are to be delivered facing him, about 3 paces away - you MUST be at attention.  You say about hair into his ear, just slightly louder than normal voice, kinda as if something caught your attention about his hair.

Dead silence, return to your command post..... Order "Detail - Uncover"  He'll be confused for a moment. (since not an FM-22-5 command.)  He'll know you are talking about his hat (cover) but won't know what to do with it.  Best guess - he'll put in under his arm, tucked and hold it there.  Order "Detail - Cover to ground." He'll do it and come back all smiling and shit as he figires out he's sprung a woodie - and you get to "wipe that smile, etc."  OOooo. I'd throw in "You think this is a game, Mister?  Well it's not."  He'll snap-to.

"Detail - Un-button shirt."  Smile, etc.....

Oh, that woodie could be talked about as "WTF, Mister.  You think I'm here to have sex with you?"  Silence & get it out of him.  When he answers... "I know that's what you think. Let's just see how far that crap will get you."  Riding crop gently to balls.  "Mister, I'm telling you - dereliction of duty is on my mind.  It should be on yours too.  I ain't givin' up my ass until you've earned it." 

Detail - Unflounce shirt.
Detail - At ease
Mister - Ground that shirt - better fucking better be neat as a pin and under your cover.
Detail - Ten'shut

Walk over and examine "neat as a pin."  No matter how bad, let it go -stay silent- because he'll think "Whew, she didn't see...." and you've got something planned in the next minute. 

Go back to your command post:
Detail - Loosen belt.
Detail - Sit at ease.
Mister: ground those pants.
Shoes?  Let him figure it out.  As he folds pants and WAY before he's done -
Detail - attention.

Walk up to him and berate with - Mister, when I want you outta your pants, I want you outta them fast.  Do I make myself clear?"

Continue.... Leave his shoes and socks on - weird for a man....off balance - right where you want him.

Senario A: He's at attention.....Get right into his face. "Whose pussy are you, Mister?"  "Who has a pussy, Mister?" "Who has a wet pussy, Mister?" and this is THE most important thing right now - you absolutely MUST go back to your command post for this order:

Detail - knell.

Walk up to him slappping crop in hand. Lean down and get right into his ear.

   Alternate A.1. In the most fem terms, sweetest voice - eat me, boy.... or lick me, Jim... or some such.
   Alternate A.2. No change in command voice "How many gig points, Mister?" PANIC, PANIC, Panic...... You say,
   "Mister, I'm SURE I've given you at least 50.  Isn't that right, Mister?"  Make him say "Ma'am, yas, Ma'am."  You: "Good,
   fuck-head. Now don't make that mistake again."  Have him count 'em down or up or a mixtuer - oh how I enjoy THAT
   game.... too much for this post.... just go up or down.. Beginners should count up so that when you're tired - or he needs a
   break, back to your command post,

   Detail ten'shut

  He might have trouble making it proper.  Do NOT let him get away with anything.  <side bar: Yep.  Being a dom is hard!>
  In his face: "Mister, I've decided that you ARE a pussy."  "whose pussy are you?" etc.... BACK to your command post,

  Detail - kneel (he's thinking he's gonna get more strokes. But you surprise him with option A.1!!!

At any point, you can get both of you a "real" break by:
Detail - Ten'shun (if not already there.)
Detail - Break for water.
Talk to him - normal - ONLY if he needs it - silence otherwise 'cause if you talk to him, basically the scene is over.
Detail - Fall in

   Alternate B (here's where the hand cuffs can come into play.....)
   Instead of Detail. Kneel,

   You can command:
   Detail - Parade Rest

  This is a modified attention - legs spread, hands behind back!! Ah HA! Cuffs - he dare not move.... I'll bet he doesn't want
 to (move).  This hand-cuffed hunk is not only restrained, but he exchanged power with you.  Isn't that what we do?

Excuse me, please.... I have to go take care of some personal business. <pant, pant, pant......>

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RE: Suggestions On Subduing A Man? - 3/3/2010 8:55:04 AM   
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Lordy lordy....that was lovely!   I don't know about the OP but I have ideas galore rolling thru my mind now...thank you Mr. Hughes!

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RE: Suggestions On Subduing A Man? - 3/3/2010 7:25:02 PM   
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this is wonderful advice, thank you both Ellen and Maria. i know i keep quoting him, but since i'm new, he's my main source of info. but he said to me that what i should do to subdue him would proceed from focusing on what i want from him. he was like, "think like a man of what you want and not what i want, and you'll know what to do and what to say." i feel like that's near to what you mean. because before this, i was just thinking of what i had to do to from the bottom to get to the top. everything that i could think of was some way to counter how he would resist or push me as the dominant. but i guess if i think like a top, it'll be easier to boss him. :) THANKS!

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RE: Suggestions On Subduing A Man? - 3/3/2010 7:35:49 PM   
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Lance Hughes, this is HIGHLY AWESOME. the whole psychology of it is totally boss. where can i get a riding crop?

btw, OH NO YOU DIDN'T QUOTE FROM ERICA JONG. i live by this quote (and several others) from Parachutes & Kisses:

"Better to be broken and stronger at the mended places than to live one's entire life in an impending fracture."

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RE: Suggestions On Subduing A Man? - 3/3/2010 8:39:28 PM   
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think about it..pull a mind fuck..I read on the other night..where they cuffed the guy broke some light bulbs in front of him..then blindfolded him..spun him around till he was a bit dizzy..made sure he was pointed away from the broken glass...then made to kneel on pototoe chip..lol

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