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ORIGINAL: came4U

Catholics (well, the Vatican) is not one to preach..as they are caught with their hand in a cookie jar yet AGAIN.

Gay prostitution ring linked to Vatican
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2010/03/04/13106366-reuters.html

so guilt is not something they should be tossing around. Those stone tossers
have their own problems with sin.

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ORIGINAL: Lucienne
As I've gotten older and had friends go through Pre-Cana (marriage prep) classes, I've learned that the Church does actually have some useful things to teach about intimacy... that it'll share once you've found that one and only person you'll spend the rest of your life with. Seems like putting the cart before the horse to me.

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ORIGINAL: petmonkey

Rolling around in my head are thoughts about how people see the world in black/white, positive/negative, right/wrong terms and apply that to their own situation while including a desire to be heroic, innocent, just, righteous, (insert "good" adjective here).  There's also some notion floating around in my noggin about how people, rather than experiencing a fully developed paradigm shift while participating in whatever-it-is-they-do-do, try to overlay what they see as appropriate/right/positive concepts within their original world view framework instead.
Here's some example sentences (possible false or broken syllogisms): 
"I'm a virtuous person, benevolence is a virtue, therefore I am benevolent"
"I'm a mentally healthy individual, psychologists say this is abnormal behavior, therefore psychologists are wrong."
"I am a smart person, we just did something I find stupid, therefore I am with stupid."

It's not a fully-formed idea, it's why i wrote "rolling around in my head".  i'm fairly certain several people can, should and will call what i just wrote BS and give a logical statement why it is BS.  Maybe someone can develop this into something like a real idea, i dunno.

ETA: They might be unwilling or unable to entertain the idea that according to their origianl world view they might be <insert negative adjective or flaw> and that this may be a) something they have to accept b) something that will keep them from getting involved with BDSM or c) irrelevant in the face of a new cultural system.

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Rolling around in my head are thoughts about how people see the world in black/white, positive/negative, right/wrong terms and apply that to their own situation while including a desire to be heroic, innocent, just, righteous, (insert "good" adjective here).  There's also some notion floating around in my noggin about how people, rather than experiencing a fully developed paradigm shift while participating in whatever-it-is-they-do-do, try to overlay what they see as appropriate/right/positive concepts within their original world view framework instead.
Here's some example sentences (possible false or broken syllogisms): 
"I'm a virtuous person, benevolence is a virtue, therefore I am benevolent"
"I'm a mentally healthy individual, psychologists say this is abnormal behavior, therefore psychologists are wrong."
"I am a smart person, we just did something I find stupid, therefore I am with stupid."

It's not a fully-formed idea, it's why i wrote "rolling around in my head".  i'm fairly certain several people can, should and will call what i just wrote BS and give a logical statement why it is BS.  Maybe someone can develop this into something like a real idea, i dunno.

ETA: They might be unwilling or unable to entertain the idea that according to their origianl world view they might be <insert negative adjective or flaw> and that this may be a) something they have to accept b) something that will keep them from getting involved with BDSM or c) irrelevant in the face of a new cultural system.

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ideas tend to keep rolling around, and are therefore unstable by nature.

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ORIGINAL: Smutmonger

One of the stranger abiguities I see in people practicing bdsm is the feeling that a lot of justifications are being expoused to excuse a bent for kinky sex. From the sub side-"The devil (Dom)made me do it." And they can still wear the "good girl/boy" badges.

And from the other side-some sort of justification as a benevolent paternal figure?

Why do you think this need exists for so many-validation that they aren't "sick"?

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ORIGINAL: pompeii

Is it a sin to lust after Sister Madeline?

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ORIGINAL: Lucienne

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ORIGINAL: came4U

Catholics (well, the Vatican) is not one to preach..as they are caught with their hand in a cookie jar yet AGAIN.

Gay prostitution ring linked to Vatican
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2010/03/04/13106366-reuters.html

so guilt is not something they should be tossing around. Those stone tossers
have their own problems with sin.

Ahem. Salad tossers. The Vatican condemns many things. Bdsm has never been one of them. It doesn't appear that anyone is interested in an actual discussion of bdsm in the context of Catholic doctrine. Which is a bit of a shame, because it really is kind of interesting just how easy it is to incorporate bdsm into a Catholic marriage without disobeying a wide range of teachings on sexuality. But, you know, as long as y'all want to toss around generic insults about generic people generating generic condemnation and generic guilt of non-specified bdsm acts far be it from me to step on your fun.

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Ahem. Salad tossers. The Vatican condemns many things. Bdsm has never been one of them. It doesn't appear that anyone is interested in an actual discussion of bdsm in the context of Catholic doctrine. Which is a bit of a shame, because it really is kind of interesting just how easy it is to incorporate bdsm into a Catholic marriage without disobeying a wide range of teachings on sexuality. But, you know, as long as y'all want to toss around generic insults about generic people generating generic condemnation and generic guilt of non-specified bdsm acts far be it from me to step on your fun.