NeedToUseYou
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yes, I understand government is a made up concept. I understand that if we stopped believing in it. It would not exist.
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That's almost, but not quite right. It doesn't exist, even if we all believe it does. If we all started believing in Santa Clause, we wouldn't get any additional toys for Xmas.
Ok, I think I understand the philosphy you adhere to. I don't agree with that concept though. Santa Clause does exist to people who believe in it. It's not provable but to them it just as much exists as it doesn't to you. Truth and existance is merely what you think it is, it is no more or no less. So, government does exists. What is government: It's a group of people performing in a specific heirarchy and postitions in order to achieve a goal. Similiar to a Corporation, the difference being the government, tasks are in regards to the whole of the country, and corporations are only concerned in areas pertaining to there spere of business. Those people work according to the concepts held by there particular agency therefore government exist, since the effects of such a entity are readily apparent via the people that act on behalf of the idea. So, I think your definition of exists is different than mine.
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Still, I've not heard a better way of doing things thus I don't see a point to change it.
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This is where the hard part comes in. There is no better way, because there is no way in the first place. There is you (and your actions), and that is all. You can't change it, even if you wanted to, because there is no it to change.
So, why complain about something that doesn't exist then? I think that thought you displayed wasn't entirely thought out to be what you are trying to say.
If you are arguing that ideas don't exists, then how do explain there impact on the world. Ideas have led to every single thing around you. Government is a idea. So, how could something that manifests itself in reality not exist. Logic is a Idea, does it not exist. Existance is a idea does it exist. If you are arguing that nothing exists, then why are you arguing about it? Since it is for nothing. The mere act of doing implies that you must think something exists. Because your efforts are to change something though I'm unsure what that would be.
If it is to change my actions, well my actions are driven by ideas. Which it sounds as if you don't think exist.
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As any solution I can conceive outside a government solution would invariably lead to a lowering of safety, standard of living, and educational opportunities. I'm more than willing of learning of a real world solution. Though it doesn't sound like you have it. I could be wrong, I'm skeptical.
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There is no government solution, because there is no government. What you suggest is abdicating the choice for what is sane (or not) and what is safe (or not) to some other group of people, and letting them make the call. This is a reasonable choice. Just understand what it is, and why it is not accepted in a community such as this, and how it looks hypocritical to many of us. I am certain you would not listen to that same group of people were they to tell you that you could not persue your interests in fisting or face slapping or even if they told you you had to stop smoking.
Well, it's a good thing I don't care what people think. I participate in the boards for the sole purpose to see other peoples view, if I think about it and what someone says makes sense, I incorporate it. if not I disregard it. But the goal isn't to appear any particular way to the community.
As far as if the government told me I couldn't do something I thought I should be able to do. Well, of course, I'd still do it. But you miss my point. My point isn't that you can't do what you want, my point is the government shouldn't condone everyone doing everything they want to do. And in my view the government should discourage some activities as in this case. Not because it's about ball chopping, but rather because it's about people performing medical procedures without a license or supervision. I don't agree with that. You may but in this particular instance the governments stand is in line with mine.
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I agree to a point when you state it so, but again everybody is not you and governments in theory do what is best for the largest segment of the population possible.
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Do you really think this is true? Do you think that. in the whole, the fiction of government has done more good or harm? I am unconvinced...
Yes, I think the existance of a government is better than no governement. I Without government you have no transit system, you have no way of establishing trade standards, you have no way of developing a centrally controlled defense policy. Without a government, you would have a fracturing of standards, making it impossible to conduct any global or even any country wide trade. You wouldn't have the internet either, as the government enforces regulations regarding the communication standards. You would have very little in terms of material things or food if you live in city. You'd have no money, as that is printed and regulated by the government(It's not backed by anything of value). So, trade would devolve into bartering, doesn't work well in a large scale economy. The laws would dramaticly vary from town to town.
I think you need to think that theory out a little more. Unless you want to live without the modern comforts and be a farmer.
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You don't need protection. I don't need protection. Some do.
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Who? How do you know? Who has harmed them? Are you certain that those whom you think need protection from the others who think they are the government won't be protected by other others, perhaps family and friends?
The retarded, many of whom are abused by their own families(Neighbor had a retarded son, used to beat the fuck out him, eventually he was taken into government care), children, 1000's of which are abused even with the government imposing regulations on parents(I find it difficult to believe parents are suddenly all going to be better people with the absence of possible consequence imposed by the government). Elderly, more in the case of the mentally incompetent(I used to sell insurance and these types will just hand you a check book to fill out there insurance premiums, you actually have to ask them to talk to their kids, then the children will explain they have power of attorney), nice so if the government wasn't there to tell me I couldn't accept a check from a mentally incompetent(would go to jail), I could have cleaned them out. Easily.
More general examples of how government regualtions help in a more general sense.
Another example Pollution control, Corporations without government regulations would just dump all there toxic shit in the rivers (everyone harmed). (Some still try to even with heavy government fines). Medicine, if there were absolutely no government regulations on proving safety of drugs, everything would just be dumped on the market and promoted to be a solution well and above the merit of the product(Companies already do this to a degree, but are kept in some check by regulations). I could think of literally hundreds if not thousands of examples of how things would be worse without regulations.
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And thus they must manage the system to prevent those from being taken advantage of.
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Who is "they"? "They" is you and me, no? Why not just help people yourself? Why pretend a government is helping them? Is it to sleep better? Government, much like religion, serves a few psychological purpose...one of which is relief of guilt.
LOL, you seem very concerned with my sleeping habits. I sleep better than anyone I know, but it has nothing to do with the government.
No, government also serves the purpose of acting as a large collective, capable of addressing very large organizations, a individual would not have the resources or time to address.
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Thus the reason why individuals aren't allowed to perform medical procedures.
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It is incorrect to say that "individuals aren't allowed to perform medical procedures". They are punished by other people if they are caught performing them.
True, they are punished by other people, but the government generally reflects the values of the general populace. If you don't like the government policies I'd think your time would be better spent not bashing the government, but changing the populations view of what you'd like to do.
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I don't think it's my place to tell you what is safe. I think it's my place to give my opinion. You are more than willing to give yours.
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By acting as if the government exists, and by giving your support to the notion, you are saying that others have a right to tell me what to do. When you advocate for intrusive government, it is no longer an opinion, it is an opinion backed up by a gun.
You are over the top. Every form of power is believe it not is backed up by a gun, club, sword, or an idea. Yes, I believe we don't have the right to do anything we want without consequence. Sorry, I'm not a convert.
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Long live King TallDarkAndWitty. *smiles*
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From your lips to god's ears.
Taggard
I'm thinking you aren't joking about that. LOL, sorta.
Thanks.
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