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RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform - 3/18/2010 12:12:22 PM   
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RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform - 3/18/2010 12:13:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		That wasnt my point.. and i agree that there isnt.

If you go to an ER, they cant turn you away, regardless.

If you go to a bank, and dont have an ID, they can say no. You cant get on a plane or a bus, you cant rent a car, you cant even get a credit card. They can all turn you away. They are not required to help you if you dont follow their rules, making ID's mandatory... and its mandatory that we purchase them. See my point?

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RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform - 3/18/2010 12:23:12 PM   
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social security number? circumcision?


A Social Security card is not an ID card and cannot be used as sole ID for anything other than obtaining benefits. It can be used as supporting documentation for a State ID.

It also doesnt cost anything.

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RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform - 3/18/2010 2:02:17 PM   
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In 2007 there were 135 million private and commercial automobiles registered. About 1/3 of those are commercial, so there were about 90 million automobiles registered to families. If you assume that 1/3 of those are in multiple car families, that leaves 60 million families with cars. With about 120 million households in the US, that means half the households have no car at all.


Willbeur, I just love when you make up things as you go along.

You continually post without any link then draw conclusions from the information that we never see which you purport to be facts.

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The most relevant point to the debate however, is that those are state laws. Its the constiutionality of a Federal law thats in question.


The most relevant point is that the states are not independent entities as some like to believe.

They are part of the United States and their laws are subject to federal jurisdiction.

You need only look at the state laws allowing medical marijuana that the federal government does not recognize and has prosecuted clinics in several states.

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RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform - 3/18/2010 2:45:20 PM   
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So, all the various states rights issues have been settled... and there's nothing left to discuss. The Federal Government can do whatever it wants, without question.





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RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform - 3/18/2010 2:46:51 PM   
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In 2007 there were 135 million private and commercial automobiles registered. About 1/3 of those are commercial, so there were about 90 million automobiles registered to families. If you assume that 1/3 of those are in multiple car families, that leaves 60 million families with cars. With about 120 million households in the US, that means half the households have no car at all.


Willbeur, I just love when you make up things as you go along.

You continually post without any link then draw conclusions from the information that we never see which you purport to be facts.






Dispute the numbers or stfu. they are facts.

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RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform - 3/18/2010 3:02:35 PM   
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RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform - 3/18/2010 3:02:58 PM   
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In 2007 there were 135 million private and commercial automobiles registered. About 1/3 of those are commercial, so there were about 90 million automobiles registered to families. If you assume that 1/3 of those are in multiple car families, that leaves 60 million families with cars. With about 120 million households in the US, that means half the households have no car at all.


Interesting take, but a very faulty conclusion.

We have more vehicles than registered drivers.

Not really sure where you're going with this.

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RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform - 3/18/2010 3:33:24 PM   
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In 2007 there were 135 million private and commercial automobiles registered. About 1/3 of those are commercial, so there were about 90 million automobiles registered to families. If you assume that 1/3 of those are in multiple car families, that leaves 60 million families with cars. With about 120 million households in the US, that means half the households have no car at all.


Interesting take, but a very faulty conclusion.

We have more vehicles than registered drivers.

Not really sure where you're going with this.



Who said anything about registered drivers?

I was addressing the claim that automobiles are nearly universal in the US, so that "mandatory auto insurance" is equivalent to "mandatory health insurance". In addition to the obvious flaws in that argument, cars arent nearly as universal as implied.

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RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform - 3/18/2010 6:44:40 PM   
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And your comment means what, exactly.

And since, as usual, Jimbob cant seem to respond when caught.. lol... ill go into more detail for the educationally challenged.

A mandate is a requirement. What Sanity, and most of the republican party is stressing is that health care is now mandated. Got that part. What they arent getting is that not everyone is required to purchase that insurance. If you have insurance, this wont affect you at all.

So, it's only the people who do not have insurance, who will be forced to buy insurance. If you have already bought insurance they won't make you buy it again. But it's not mandatory

As far as being forced to purchase something... does everyone forget those little ID cards you need to do just about everything from travel, to work, to bank accounts, ect.. cost money too?

You are really going to compare a $5 id with the cost of health insurance? You can do better than that.


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RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform - 3/18/2010 6:47:48 PM   
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and its mandatory that we purchase them


As far as I know, it is also mandatory to carry them and present them when asked by the police. Never really thought about it before.


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RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform - 3/18/2010 6:59:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		$5 dollars?

California, $26 dollars, the reduced fee is $7.
Texas, $15 dollars, $5 if your over 60.
Virginia, $10 dollars.

The list continues. my point was not the cost, but at having to be forced to get one in order to conduct any kind of business or travel within the US.

People have gone on and on about nothing being mandatory... yet ID cards certainly are mandatory.

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RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform - 3/18/2010 9:15:46 PM   
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$5 dollars?

California, $26 dollars, the reduced fee is $7.
Texas, $15 dollars, $5 if your over 60.
Virginia, $10 dollars.

The list continues. my point was not the cost, but at having to be forced to get one in order to conduct any kind of business or travel within the US.

People have gone on and on about nothing being mandatory... yet ID cards certainly are mandatory.


READ MY LIPS. STATE, NOT FEDERAL. THERE IS A HUGE FUCKING DIFFERENCE

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RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform - 3/18/2010 10:14:38 PM   
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It's no different with health insurance.  People will have accidents, they will get sick.  If they are not insured it is everyone else who is subsidizing their irresponsibility.



It's irresponsible for someone to get sick or not be able to afford health insurance?

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RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform - 3/18/2010 10:43:47 PM   
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RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform - 3/19/2010 6:40:42 AM   
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$5 dollars?

California, $26 dollars, the reduced fee is $7.
Texas, $15 dollars, $5 if your over 60.
Virginia, $10 dollars.

The list continues. my point was not the cost, but at having to be forced to get one in order to conduct any kind of business or travel within the US.

People have gone on and on about nothing being mandatory... yet ID cards certainly are mandatory.


READ MY LIPS. STATE, NOT FEDERAL. THERE IS A HUGE FUCKING DIFFERENCE


When each state accepts each other state's ID cards.. without question... then is it really state? Nope.. its all linked. might as well be federal.

The fact still remains... you cant do any business or public travel without one. There is your fine for not complying.

Your fine for not complying with this reform is that you will have to pay. To deny you service is illegal. so, for not complying, you get a tax bill instead.

Its truly not that hard to understand Willbe.. or is it?

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RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform - 3/19/2010 6:47:49 AM   
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People have had to be able to provide identification for ages, and in any civilization on the planet.

You act as if thats something new, or relevent to the topic, and it isn't. How is that related to being forced toi buy insurance? You're really reaching here.


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RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform - 3/19/2010 6:53:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Im not reaching. We are forced to comply... not just a few.. not just many.. but everyone who wants to engage in these kinds of activities in the US HAS to comply.

No ID, no service.

No insurance, pay a fine. You cant, legally, be denied service.

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RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform - 3/19/2010 7:30:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yea, our democracy just brings a tear to my eye when states 'opted' out of $600 billion more in top bracket and corporate federal tax cuts. I beamed with patriotic pride when states 'opted' out of bailing out wall street, AIG and the bankers.

What had to be one of proudest moments in being American was when the states 'opted' out of paying for two wars. Oh, I am sorry, that's right...they were free (off-books) at least under repub congress and pres.

Crazy how the dems think we should actually pay for our wars.

Why don't we just make health care reform...'off-books.'
problem settled.


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RE: Idaho first to sign law against health care reform - 3/19/2010 9:36:29 AM   
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When each state accepts each other state's ID cards.. without question... then is it really state? Nope.. its all linked. might as well be federal.

The fact still remains... you cant do any business or public travel without one. There is your fine for not complying.

Your fine for not complying with this reform is that you will have to pay. To deny you service is illegal. so, for not complying, you get a tax bill instead.

Its truly not that hard to understand Willbe.. or is it?


Apparently it is, because you dont understand that there isnt even a glimmer of similarity between the two. And each state DOES accept other states ID cards without question. It is only when you become a resident of a new state that you have to change.

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