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RE: British elections, have a say. - 4/6/2010 6:35:57 AM

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Of course we are: we're still fighting two of your occupations for you.

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RE: British elections, have a say. - 4/6/2010 6:59:21 AM

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Its been Pepsi or Coke for a long time Hunky, but this time round its neck and neck for Pepsi v Coke in the polls such that if theyre right then no one is going to have an overall majority - and then it will come down to brokering a deal with Dr Pepper for either Pepsi or Coke, or calling another election.

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I don't think that is the case. What I do think is that people won't vote for labour, but are too embaressed to admit they are going to vote conservative.

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RE: British elections, have a say. - 4/6/2010 7:21:54 AM

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Re:choice, there are currently ~12 parties with MPs in parliament, depending how you count it. I expect this number to increase this time around. I'm fairly happy with the variety we get, independants can and do win, there's the Monster Raving Looney Party or NOTA for protest votes, single issue near referendum parties such as UKIP....reckon we do well.

Re:shy tories.....for several years now pollsters have been finding the reverse is more the case...there are some shy tories.....but these days, far more shy labourites.

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RE: British elections, have a say. - 4/6/2010 7:37:49 AM

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Re:shy tories.....for several years now pollsters have been finding the reverse is more the case...there are some shy tories.....but these days, far more shy labourites.

I disagree. Coming from a working class background and area, labourites are far from shy. Those working class supporters are disenchanted with 'new labour' and all that it turned into. They are the ones with the lost pensions and their savings gone. The ones that cannot get jobs and sat throught the last high unemployment back when they were young. They have seen how unions have no power in the current climate and are just getting weaker. They are the ones that have actually known what it's like to be at war or suffer genuine hardship. And they are the ones who are too embarressed to admit that all their support they gave labour is for nothing. They don't want to admit that they have even considered voting tory, let alone going out and doing it. And what is even worse, they might even vote BNP.

For you who are middle class or blue collar, it's not that much of a jump either way. But when you are at either end, it's a hopeless either way.

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RE: British elections, have a say. - 4/6/2010 7:43:21 AM

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The only problem I see with the elections, is no matter who is voted into power from whatever political party, the civil servants that operate the machine of government remain the same. So new ideas may come, but those that hold the reins of the various departments, do they actually do what they are told, or carry on as normal. Be it red or blue that gets in, has anything actually changed much with each politician awarded head of that government department, post election win.

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RE: British elections, have a say. - 4/6/2010 7:56:40 AM

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RCdc, I recommend ukpollingreport as an excellent resource if you want to keep an eye on the polls. This is what I was talking about:
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/2422

@Aneirin, if the tories had won in 1997 would the civil servants have introduced the minimum wage anyway? Would we have a separate supreme court?.....the people elected to be in charge really are in charge :)

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RE: British elections, have a say. - 4/6/2010 8:06:06 AM

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Don't get me wrong, I completely understand what occured back at the new year and back then, I wouldn't have disagreed. But this is now. Another 4 months down the line and that's a long time in politics and todays the day it all kicks off really. Today makes it a reality. And I would never for a moment suggest that these are 'shy tories'. Not at all. These are labourites who are not going to vote labour because they let them down.

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RE: British elections, have a say. - 4/6/2010 8:11:50 AM

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Ah, something different.....yeah, it's a problem for Labour, but when you consider the huge issue Iraq was back in 2005 taking people away from Labour, and that there's the danger (in the eyes of traditional labour voters) of the tories getting in this time.....I'm not sure the 'stay at home' factor will be particularly bigger this election than last....other than possibly those expenses tainted seats (the bad ones, not the kitkat ones) where the MP in question hasn't stood down.

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RE: British elections, have a say. - 4/6/2010 8:16:45 AM

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I'm not sure the 'stay at home' factor will be particularly bigger this election than last....other than possibly those expenses tainted seats (the bad ones, not the kitkat ones) where the MP in question hasn't stood down.

If anything, I think that people will be voting far more than in the past. Something else I have noticed having two children who are in their later teens is that it seems as though it matters to them, and that's a first for me. Before, it was far more a case of not really understanding that a single vote can count. Now, the teens and early 20's I know are really intent on voting or wish they could. And that's very cool.

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RE: British elections, have a say. - 4/6/2010 8:27:55 AM

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It is it is. I think it's a direct consequence of the splintering of parliament....an understanding that you don't have to win to 'win'....look at SNPs achievements...or the effect BNP have on debate just by getting a some votes and no seats....
From what I've noticed, most teens are going lib dem, with a side order of conservatives.....lib-dem for usual reasons, conservatives because it's 'different'...but, hanging around vaguely political web forums isn't the most scientific method for working it out I guess.

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RE: British elections, have a say. - 4/6/2010 9:18:06 AM

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For years i've been voting in the elections and year in year out, it's the same old dross. I always hoped we would someday get a humerous candidate, who would liven things up. Well last time we got one but he turned out to be a complete pratt, who canvassed on the back of a speedboat and managed to upset everyone. Of course i still vote, i still listen to the same old lies.

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RE: British elections, have a say. - 4/6/2010 9:19:20 AM

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I always hoped we would someday get a humerous candidate,

It's true. Too many candidates out there don't have a leg to stand on.

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RE: British elections, have a say. - 4/6/2010 9:22:56 AM

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Efemural humour Kittin? Good job!
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RE: British elections, have a say. - 4/6/2010 9:27:52 AM

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Bone appetit.

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RE: British elections, have a say. - 4/6/2010 11:44:33 AM

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For as long as I can remember, it has either been conservative or labour who are in power and they have been batted in and out for all that time. My belief why after a run of a few years a party gets booted out in favour of the other is people just want a change, for it seems both are much the same except for the colours they wear, or the schools they went to although with the latter that is changing now. So, if change is wanted, why not go for a complete change, ignore the usual contenders and give someone else a chance, who knows, they might even have better ideas.

The issue that is of particular interest to me, is education, for I fail to see how this country is ever going to create these advanced individuals it says it needs to survive in the future. The labour industry is changing, hell, it has changed, our industry is largely gone, so we have little need for unskilled or even semi skilled labour anymore, what we need is intellects, people with the better education, the training and the belief in what this country can do so motions of hopping it abroad as soon as they are qualified are quashed. Intellects might be born in accordance with what has passed, but intellects can be created, needled out of the disaffected youth we have today, all it takes is the correct approach and the belief in people to be the best they can be.

Only one party has as far as I am aware been consistently in favour of education, it is to them I will this time give my vote, as I believe this country will only change for the better if it is sorted out at the bottom first, education is the way forward and with that, the not charging of tuition fees.

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RE: British elections, have a say. - 4/6/2010 11:48:34 AM

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Of course we are: we're still fighting two of your occupations for you.

War is for the banks.

No, these two are for Haliburton.

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RE: British elections, have a say. - 4/6/2010 12:29:38 PM

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I want labour not to win and for every tory candidate to die on election day, but have no idea who I'll be voting for

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RE: British elections, have a say. - 4/6/2010 12:47:14 PM

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Woody, you mentioned the reform of the Lords. Did you mean cash for Peerages ?

I also take issue with the crime figures. Labour have changed the way statistics are counted. The home office admit 50% of crime is now unreported. If crime had really been reduced, why is the prison population increasing, despite the constant early releases. Despite beiong in the Telegraph, this article shouldn`t be discounted as it is a Home Office report.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/7400372/True-scale-of-violent-crime-rise-revealed.html

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RE: British elections, have a say. - 4/6/2010 12:56:14 PM

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1st question, no.
2nd point...while constant changes to how crime is measured by the police produce comment, all other measurements agree...nobody seriously disputes that crime has fallen a lot over the last 13 years.

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RE: British elections, have a say. - 4/6/2010 1:05:41 PM

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Any results in yet? What would be a good source to follow the returns?

Nevermind, I realize that the election wouldn't occur for another month.... what would be a good source then to follow?

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