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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/23/2010 9:44:04 AM

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You did not rebut the code of Hammurabi because you cannot.

so how many OTHER topics do you want to pretend is related to the point being argued ron.

fuck man you are such a damn fraud.

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/23/2010 9:48:48 AM

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Well hammurabi here and capitalization over there you are in the thick of it.

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/23/2010 9:55:40 AM

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Well hammurabi here and capitalization over there you are in the thick of it.

yeh any plausible line bullshit you can vomit on the thread is fine with you.

We fully understand your debate/puke style.

now invite all your pals to bury your asskicking 20 pages deep in one line snarks.

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/23/2010 10:08:29 AM

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Come on now Air, WTF did he do to you ? I agree this is getting old but if I get really tired of it I will just not click on it. He is not standing at my front door screaming into a bullhorn, I have to take action to read this ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ummm outdated overreaching ummmmmmmm, I don't know what to call it.

At the moment I am checking to see if my question has been answered. It is also my contention that the ens legis type of argument has been proven not to work. I also contend that on it's face it just about can't, and refusing process service on that basis will usually result in the "person" to be adjudicated against in absentia. This has happened to a couple of friends of mine, but in those cases, process was deliberately misdirected by the opponent and still there is very little that can be done about it after the fact. And if you actually go to court they will laugh when you try to use such a defense. In fact if I were a judge and someone tried this shit, I would just call for a typist to reproduce the documents with properly cased letters of the named defendent.

What's more, a full name fully spelled out with proper capitalisation is referred to as a true Christian appelation. This government is not Christian in any sense. That is why the Constitution does not refer to God or YHWH or Jesus or Mohammed or anything else. The word Creator was used and it was used for a specific reason, the whole idea of this country was not to impose religion of any kind. Well not the whole idea but you know what I mean.

Perhaps I am just here to determine the mass per volume of some posters, which as you may know is density, or is that specific gravity ? Maybe I come to get confused ? Maybe I am here to try to keep somebody's ass out of the sling, because I know WTF I am talking about. All the detail aside, what will be the results ? This all caps shit was out the window over ten years ago because it just doesn't work. I have seen people skate on quite a few things, and win, and do it with style even. But this ens legis shit has never worked to my knowledge, not once for anyone I have ever known who got into this.

I have already stated that there is only ONE strategy that works and I see no reason to repeat it now. I still await the answer to my question also. If I ever get that answer and it is found that it is advantageous in this case, I will be fully supportive and will advise to the best of my ability. But my best advice right now is to assess whether or not there is any advantage, thus I await an answer. Engaging in details would simply be encouragement to possibly do something stupid. If I'd have gone with it when they urged me to, I would not be in the position I am today.

People would be surprised at how much information a cop on patrol can get on someone with a few keystrokes. There is probably a flag raised when people try this in court, or anywhere. At that point the first thing that is going to go through the cops head is : "Oh, one of them guys". Maybe I am a nut, but I can't see any advantage in that at all. Maybe I am just stupid.

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/23/2010 11:04:33 AM

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you dont go to court and use ens legis as a defense.

the judge will award you a psyche evaluation. No truth can be in the fiction land.

fiction land cannot DIRECTLY interface with real land and vice versa. (one of the many projects people like myself are working on resolving in the courts. and what all those extremist sovereigns are all about in the restore america plan)

What this knowledge does is set you up with the basis and fundamental understanding to properly litigate a matter. (in your favor) nothing more.

The key here is to understand how it works if you are on your own in propria.

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/23/2010 11:08:17 AM

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And my question ?

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/23/2010 11:16:53 AM

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repeat it I have been jumping between several threads here

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/23/2010 11:21:35 AM

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Stop confusing your owned ass with a Sovereign American.

But you told us that the Crown retains control over the U.S. therefore you can't be sovereign, since the Crown is...can't have it both ways bud.

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/23/2010 11:39:40 AM

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Stop confusing your owned ass with a Sovereign American.
But you told us that the Crown retains control over the U.S. therefore you can't be sovereign, since the Crown is...can't have it both ways bud.

which one?

the corporation?
the territory?
the union of states?

you see its a wonderful web of confusion for the uninitiated.

I can do this all day long and no one here will be able to add it up

Why because you would not know which one I am talking about any more than playing with the "person" game.

again syntax terrorism perpetrated by governments at large.

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/23/2010 11:43:34 AM

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"repeat it I have been jumping between several threads here "

OK, what does it gain you. Don't tell me freedom because absolute freedom is an illusion and cannot be realized (no pun intended). What tangible gain do you hope to achieve ? Something solid. And how does it outweigh the disadvantages of going through the "redemption" process ?

My advice is if you don't have a valid answer, don't bother. I can show you so many other ways to beat them it's not funny. And bear in mind of you ever create a victim, whether in finance or the physical, possibly even the emotional realm nothing will work. To go through this and gain nothing is a total waste of time. I have already said I didn't do it yet I do pretty much what I want when I want. I only pay property taxes and insurance beyond my actual usage of resources. It doesn't get any better than this. I have beaten the system by totally different means and it is working just fine.

If you are just looking for some special status to put a feather in your cap your reasoning is flawed. If you have something tangible to gain then as I said I will be 100% supportive and share everything I know about it to help you. But if you are just drawn to it for some ethereal reason like I almost was, I will remain mum on the subject, so as not to be taken as encouraging someone to do something that is not in their best interest.

I'm funny that way.

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/23/2010 11:54:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"repeat it I have been jumping between several threads here "

OK, what does it gain you.

Principle.

Don't tell me freedom because absolute freedom is an illusion and cannot be realized (no pun intended).

No one is talking about "absolute" freedom term, its about encroachment.

What tangible gain do you hope to achieve ?

No encroachment means private property rights the basis of what this government was created to protect.

Something solid.

already answered above

And how does it outweigh the disadvantages of going through the "redemption" process ?

You will need to elaborate on what you are talking about in the redemption process because everyone has their own silver bullet in the commercial arena.

My advice is if you don't have a valid answer, don't bother.

How about because I can? Is that valid? Valid again is in the eyes of the beholder and we have a shit load of different beholders here.

I can show you so many other ways to beat them it's not funny. And bear in mind of you ever create a victim, whether in finance or the physical, possibly even the emotional realm nothing will work. To go through this and gain nothing is a total waste of time. I have already said I didn't do it yet I do pretty much what I want when I want. I only pay property taxes and insurance beyond my actual usage of resources. It doesn't get any better than this. I have beaten the system by totally different means and it is working just fine.

well there is a lot more to the system than that.

If you are just looking for some special status to put a feather in your cap your reasoning is flawed. If you have something tangible to gain then as I said I will be 100% supportive and share everything I know about it to help you. But if you are just drawn to it for some ethereal reason like I almost was, I will remain mum on the subject, so as not to be taken as encouraging someone to do something that is not in their best interest.

I'm funny that way.

T

well I stip over and over that my speaking to any topic is to be construed as entertainment and education only. Just my luck some idji will grab what I say completely out of context as happens every other post and run to a court to get creamed and then cry that I "advised" them on the matter.

Thats just a standard legal disclaimer.

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/23/2010 12:29:00 PM

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Because you can ?

To beat zoning laws ? What do you want to do, start a slaughterhouse in the middle of Telluride CO ?

Principle ? So you get the reward in heaven ? I didn't know you were religious.

There is alot more to the system ? Sure is, my gang calls it iron. (dat means guns) You want to go on the offensive ?

Because that is what it is. You are basically telling them to fuck off. One of the best methods published was called "Start Freedom Project" and the very first step is the allegation of fraud. That is offensive to them. And there is no taking it back.

There may be other methods now but Start Freedom is the only one I personally know to have worked. It doesn't matter, any method is basically telling them to go fuck off, so there is not going to be much difference in the results. And you WILL become a target, just how much that adversely affects your life must be weighed against TANGIBLE gain. And that depends on where you are and what you intend to do.

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/23/2010 1:03:34 PM

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Because you can ?

To beat zoning laws ? What do you want to do, start a slaughterhouse in the middle of Telluride CO ?

Principle ? So you get the reward in heaven ? I didn't know you were religious.

There is alot more to the system ? Sure is, my gang calls it iron. (dat means guns) You want to go on the offensive ?

Because that is what it is. You are basically telling them to fuck off. One of the best methods published was called "Start Freedom Project" and the very first step is the allegation of fraud. That is offensive to them. And there is no taking it back.

There may be other methods now but Start Freedom is the only one I personally know to have worked. It doesn't matter, any method is basically telling them to go fuck off, so there is not going to be much difference in the results. And you WILL become a target, just how much that adversely affects your life must be weighed against TANGIBLE gain. And that depends on where you are and what you intend to do.

T

term it starts with the taking away of the gold and the monetary system.

Everything and I do mean everything hinges off of that in one form or another.

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/23/2010 8:01:11 PM

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once more he brings up the gold standard conspiracy.

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/23/2010 9:08:36 PM

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once more he brings up the gold standard conspiracy.

wtf are you talking about?

I never heard of a gold standard conspiracy?

Fill me pls this sounds good.

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/23/2010 9:58:45 PM

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Oh REALly ?

You are not ready for this dude.

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/23/2010 10:11:20 PM

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The dollar is backed by...

the dollar.

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/23/2010 11:19:58 PM

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JFC, if you don't understand the core of the whole thing you are not ready.

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/24/2010 12:20:14 AM

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Again with the hard currency woo.

Before you should even dream about discussing any supposed benefits of a hard currency you should be able to answer how to prevent the known bad effects of a hard currency from occuring again. Specifically how do you prevent speculators whipsawing the value of the currency (see for instance the British Pound in the early 1930's).

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RE: Common Law and rights - 4/24/2010 6:30:10 AM

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Oh REALly ?

You are not ready for this dude.

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try me LOL

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