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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 5/18/2010 2:19:01 PM   
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Not just Obama,also Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford....... et al

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 5/18/2010 2:22:20 PM   
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We can speculate on why none of them did. But Obama, alone, is now the President, with controll of the Congress to boot.

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 5/18/2010 2:23:06 PM   
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You have to ask Obama why he refuses to enforce these laws....

You have to ask why the state does not enforce these laws.

And yourself why you are trying to stop Arizona from making them state crimes and enforcing them?

I do not live in arizona and have no say in what laws they pass.


You have read the law, havent you? Your'e not just yammering from ignorance are you? And are aware that it goes further than Federal law in trying to stop employment of illegals by bussinessess and individuals.

So you say but so far you have failed to produce any validation of that statement.
What is the penality for the first offense per illegal hired in the new arizona law?



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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 5/18/2010 2:31:38 PM   
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You can read the law if you like dipshit.

Though as you proved in your Proof of the Pygmies having a language, you can't comprehend what you read.



So ask me a thousand questions, You are never going to give an example backing up your claim, that Cops can enforce laws out of thier jurisdiction.

And everyone can see it.

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 5/18/2010 2:32:26 PM   
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We can speculate on why none of them did. But Obama, alone, is now the President, with controll of the Congress to boot.



That was weak and below you. At least below whom you portray yourself to be.

Securing the borders as never been a priority of any administraion. What we get is being told to take off our shoes at the airport.

We don't get cargo inspected and we don't get our borders patroled. We have our lettuce picked and out grass cut instead.

Good deal huh?

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 5/18/2010 2:45:21 PM   
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You can read the law if you like dipshit.

Is that lucky speak for I don't know?
Far easier to call people names than to actually contribute to the discussion.


Though as you proved in your Proof of the Pygmies having a language, you can't comprehend what you read.

This belongs in the other thread please try to stay on topic.



So ask me a thousand questions, You are never going to give an example backing up your claim, that Cops can enforce laws out of thier jurisdiction.

Did and done

And everyone can see it.

Yes what you post is clear for all to read


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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 5/18/2010 3:08:39 PM   
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actually your "But they did it first" was rather weak.


I was serious


Obama is president.

Is he going to enforce the laws or not?

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 5/18/2010 3:32:01 PM   
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You have read the law, havent you?

Of course I have. I followed the link you posted, thank you.

Your'e not just yammering from ignorance are you? And are aware that it goes further than Federal law in trying to stop employment of illegals by bussinessess and individuals.

It is clear that you are the one yammering from ignorance. Your link to the text of the law says you are full of shit.
The link clearly states that the penality for hiring illegal aliens is a misdomeanor and carries only a slap on the wrist fine of $1000.
The federal law says it is a felony and for the first offense. It is punishable by a $10,000 fine per illegal and/or five years in the federal penitentary per illelgal where there is no parole.
Once again your lying bullshit has been exposed.

Here is where you get to use your best line...
Oh poop I was wrong...luckydawg




http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf





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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 5/18/2010 4:38:06 PM   
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So, you hold Obama to a higher standard than previous presidents?

I hope he does, but like that last few presidents, I have little hope.



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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 5/18/2010 5:37:06 PM   
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So, you hold Obama to a higher standard than previous presidents?

I hope he does, but like that last few presidents, I have little hope.




He has had his ass spanked so he may not be back for a bit.
I think there is a limit as to how much public humiliation a pup can take in one day.


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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 5/18/2010 5:40:43 PM   
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I have little hope.


But...but...



*sadface*

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 5/18/2010 5:52:16 PM   
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hey...what can I can say!

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 5/19/2010 3:58:07 AM   
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Ah hell, why not just toss out the immigration laws, open our boarders wide, and allow any and all to come on in.


How about the option of actually enforcing the law against employing illegal aliens.
It would put a huge amount of money into the public coffers (hundreds of billions)and remove any incetive to hire illegal aliens.
But then you would not be able to sit at your keyboard and wring your hands in such a sanctomonious fashion about all the illegals.



In reference to the bolded word above....

quote:

Is that lucky speak for I don't know?
Far easier to call people names than to actually contribute to the discussion.


Pot calling the kettle black.

difficulty in detecting sarcasm is a sign of social stagnation.

I do not want illegals in this country. If you have a problem with my position, then its your problem. They break more than one law, affect peoples lives for years, and feel no remorse or regret for the damage they cause.

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 5/19/2010 7:46:05 AM   
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quote:

I do not want illegals in this country. If you have a problem with my position, then its your problem. They break more than one law, affect peoples lives for years, and feel no remorse or regret for the damage they cause.


No where in my post will you find me advocating illegal immigration or identity theft.
I have pointed out that going after the employers would be far more productive and lucrative.
You instead prefer to pick fly shit out of pepper. You post up that illegals use x dollars of tax payers money...The fact is that they use less then they contribute.
You want to focus on the symptom and not the cause.

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 5/19/2010 7:54:21 AM   
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And yet you bemoan their plight and neglect the true victims who have nothing to gain and lose everything as a result.

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 5/19/2010 10:23:24 AM   
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And yet you bemoan their plight and neglect the true victims who have nothing to gain and lose everything as a result.


You have yet to show me any post of mine that does so.

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 5/21/2010 11:36:51 AM   
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Arizona may turn off the electricity to Los Angeles. Since LA gets 25% of their electricity from Arizona, and Arizona is continually being threatened by the Mayor of Los Angeles, Arizona has now played the trump card. Let's see how long LA can last without riots when the electricity goes off this summer.
  http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=7449492   Go Arizona!

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 5/21/2010 11:38:14 AM   
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Arizona may turn off the electricity to Los Angeles. Since LA gets 25% of their electricity from Arizona, and Arizona is continually being threatened by the Mayor of Los Angeles, Arizona has now played the trump card. Let's see how long LA can last without riots when the electricity goes off this summer.
  http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=7449492   Go Arizona!



Does that mean you  won't have power and we won't be exposed to your ridiculous posts?

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 5/21/2010 12:49:26 PM   
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Arizona may turn off the electricity to Los Angeles. Since LA gets 25% of their electricity from Arizona, and Arizona is continually being threatened by the Mayor of Los Angeles, Arizona has now played the trump card. Let's see how long LA can last without riots when the electricity goes off this summer.
  http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=7449492   Go Arizona!


Arizona does not have the legal authority to actually do this. Gary Pierce (Arizona Commissioner) admits that the most that can be done is that they can urge that the contracts be renegotiated between L.A. and Arizona over the 24% of supplied electricity they receive. For Arizona to turn off the electricity completely would mean that the state is breaching legal contracts that are already negotiated and in place. (Perhaps I am wrong with that understanding though) Here is a link to the exact newscast interviewing Gary Pierce.


http://video.foxnews.com/v/4204266/fighting-boycott-with-blackout

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RE: The State Senate in Arizona passes new immigration law - 5/21/2010 6:26:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

quote:

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You have read the law, havent you?

Of course I have. I followed the link you posted, thank you.

Your'e not just yammering from ignorance are you? And are aware that it goes further than Federal law in trying to stop employment of illegals by bussinessess and individuals.

It is clear that you are the one yammering from ignorance. Your link to the text of the law says you are full of shit.
The link clearly states that the penality for hiring illegal aliens is a misdomeanor and carries only a slap on the wrist fine of $1000.
The federal law says it is a felony and for the first offense. It is punishable by a $10,000 fine per illegal and/or five years in the federal penitentary per illelgal where there is no parole.
Once again your lying bullshit has been exposed.

Here is where you get to use your best line...
Oh poop I was wrong...luckydawg




http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf







as usuall you are lying T



"1. For a first violation, as described in paragraph 3 of this
17 subsection, the court shall:
18 (a) Order the employer to terminate the employment of all unauthorized
19 aliens.
20 (b) Order the employer to be subject to a five year probationary
21 period for the business location where the unauthorized alien performed work.
22 During the probationary period the employer shall file quarterly reports in
23 the form provided in section 23-722.01 with the county attorney of each new
24 employee who is hired by the employer at the business location where the
25 unauthorized alien performed work.
26 (c) Order the appropriate agencies to suspend all licenses described
27 in subdivision (d) of this paragraph that are held by the employer for a
28 minimum of ten days. The court shall base its decision on the length of the
29 suspension under this subdivision on any evidence or information submitted to
30 it during the action for a violation of this subsection and shall consider
31 the following factors, if relevant:
32 (i) The number of unauthorized aliens employed by the employer.
33 (ii) Any prior misconduct by the employer.
34 (iii) The degree of harm resulting from the violation.
35 (iv) Whether the employer made good faith efforts to comply with any
36 applicable requirements.
37 (v) The duration of the violation.
38 (vi) The role of the directors, officers or principals of the employer
39 in the violation.
40 (vii) Any other factors the court deems appropriate.
41 (d) Order the employer to file a signed sworn affidavit with the
42 county attorney. The affidavit shall state that the employer has terminated
43 the employment of all unauthorized aliens in this state and that the employer
44 will not intentionally or knowingly employ an unauthorized alien in this
45 state. The court shall order the appropriate agencies to suspend all
S.B. 1070
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1 licenses subject to this subdivision that are held by the employer if the
2 employer fails to file a signed sworn affidavit with the county attorney
3 within three business days after the order is issued. All licenses that are
4 suspended under this subdivision for failing to file a signed sworn affidavit
5 shall remain suspended until the employer files a signed sworn affidavit with
6 the county attorney. For the purposes of this subdivision, the licenses that
7 are subject to suspension under this subdivision are all licenses that are
8 held by the employer specific to the business location where the unauthorized
9 alien performed work. If the employer does not hold a license specific to
10 the business location where the unauthorized alien performed work, but a
11 license is necessary to operate the employer's business in general, the
12 licenses that are subject to suspension under this subdivision are all
13 licenses that are held by the employer at the employer's primary place of
14 business. On receipt of the court's order and notwithstanding any other law,
15 the appropriate agencies shall suspend the licenses according to the court's
16 order. The court shall send a copy of the court's order to the attorney
17 general and the attorney general shall maintain the copy pursuant to
18 subsection G of this section.
19 2. For a second violation, as described in paragraph 3 of this
20 subsection, the court shall order the appropriate agencies to permanently
21 revoke all licenses that are held by the employer specific to the business
22 location where the unauthorized alien performed work. If the employer does
23 not hold a license specific to the business location where the unauthorized
24 alien performed work, but a license is necessary to operate the employer's
25 business in general, the court shall order the appropriate agencies to
26 permanently revoke all licenses that are held by the employer at the
27 employer's primary place of business. On receipt of the order and
28 notwithstanding any other law, the appropriate agencies shall immediately
29 revoke the licenses."

The Bussiness looses the right to operate for 10 days. a second violation they lose thier liscences for ever.

The 1000$ fine you refer to is a minimum.

But you know that and have been busted several times editing your quotes to try to make a point. Its rather pathetic, but the best you can do.

Also the state is required to report to the Feds. these are all in addition to the Federal laws.

The reality is Obama has declared he will refuse to enforce federal immigration laws, unless he gets new laws written. So Arizona law and policyt is far stricter on the EMPLOYERs of Illegal aliens.

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