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DiannaVesta -> Your PERFECT sub (4/5/2006 5:46:35 PM)

You paint the perfect picture for the sub of your dreams. Who is he/she? Whatever you want. Details please!

GDV




TeeGO -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/5/2006 6:18:32 PM)


And to help you wonderful ladies in this endeavor I present myself for contrast, the IMPERFECT sub.




LadyMorgynn -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/5/2006 6:20:05 PM)

Great, just great.  You would ask this NOW! <grumble-grumble>  I'm tired from working all day and p.o.'d at all the emails from wannabe's and players in my Inbox, and I haven't even had dinner yet and it's almost 9:30 at night.... and yet, I'm not going to be able to sleep now without having answered this, because the question is going to go around and around in my head and give me  no rest <sigh>

ARRGH!!!!

quote:

ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

You paint the perfect picture for the sub of your dreams. Who is he/she? Whatever you want. Details please!

GDV





crouchingtigress -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/5/2006 6:41:03 PM)

Obedience
Humor
Strong
Diligent
Attentive
Content
Pain Slut
Gourmet Cook
Good Job
Nice Cock
Masseuse
Blushes easily
Deep
Experienced





lushusboobs -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/5/2006 7:15:45 PM)

The Perfect Sub:
Intelligent,
Well Read,
Philosophical,
Thoughtful & Kind,
Authentic,
A Good Communicator,
Domestically Inclined : i.e. cleaning, cooking, household organizing
A good memory to make up for my bad one,
Practical,
Sensitive & Feminine (no matter what biological gender),
Motivated & Energetic,
Strong hands that never get tired of massage,
Infinitely persistent to get it right,
Patient when I'm in a mood,
Loves to travel,
Tolerant and Liberal politics,
Unitarian Universalist or open minded spirituality including wicca and buddhism,
Open Minded to Mysticism including Tarot and Palm Reading (I do readings for myself and friends)
Likes soy or semi vegetarian cooking,
Loves dressing up and role play






MistressLorelei -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/5/2006 8:06:08 PM)

Submissive by nature in Female-male relationships, yet strong beyond them
Class, intelligence, sense of humor and the ability to laugh and have fun
The ability to put My needs before his own
The ability to trust Me without reservation
He listens to what I say and remembers it when I don't
Responsible, dependable and with direction; has the means to provide a comfortable living
Sensitive and in-touch with his feminine side
Open-minded, with a strong desire to learn and to please, and not conservative
Can openly communicate about anything, and does not need anger management classes.
Great hair, cute butt, and has no desires he 'must'  fulfill to be a happy submissive, except the desire to please his Mistress

With all of that... anything else is possible.




Laura -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/5/2006 9:53:19 PM)

Tall is very preferred.
Confident, educated - at least a guy who can spell well.
Lots of interests, hobbies, etc.
Organized.- cause I'm not.
Mature, over 36 at the very least.
Conversation, discussion is very important.
Open minded - not petty or snobbish.
Strong -MUST be strong in mind and at least half way there in body.
No sissies, no forced feminization. I'm the female, not him.
No foot worship, no watersports, no messy/ yucky stuff.
However, he is welcome to clean the house, paint, repair and etc.
Some romance, flowers, touching, but not clingy mush.
A sense of humour like my own, satire, somewhat twisted.
A guy with some modesty, a bit shy or introverted.
A guy who does not come with a grocery list of fetishes he expects me to perform for him.
A guy who loves being tied up and tormented.
A guy interested in domestic discipline, mild humiliation and exhibitionism
A guy interested in bondage and control, not pain.
A guy who will be my pet for mad science experiments in orgasm control, his.
A guy who is willing to sub but can switch and turn the tables upon occasion. If allowed.
A mans man guy who goes out with friends, has interests in sports, machines, and other stereotypical manly things.
Did I mention tall?




LadyMorgynn -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 4:23:25 AM)

later




DiannaVesta -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 4:39:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lushusboobs

The Perfect Sub:
Intelligent,
Well Read,
Philosophical,
Thoughtful & Kind,
Authentic,
A Good Communicator,
Domestically Inclined : i.e. cleaning, cooking, household organizing
A good memory to make up for my bad one,
Practical,
Sensitive & Feminine (no matter what biological gender),
Motivated & Energetic,
Strong hands that never get tired of massage,
Infinitely persistent to get it right,
Patient when I'm in a mood,
Loves to travel,
Tolerant and Liberal politics,
Unitarian Universalist or open minded spirituality including wicca and buddhism,
Open Minded to Mysticism including Tarot and Palm Reading (I do readings for myself and friends)
Likes soy or semi vegetarian cooking,
Loves dressing up and role play





wow I like your list! Especially the massage- never gets tired of massage part.




Cloudz -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 4:49:39 AM)


This is my short list, I could go on for days...after all the question was PERFECT right? Great sense of humorObservantAttentive (yes they are quite different traits)TactileMatureGreat sense of funOpen mindedDetail orientedClassy/Sterling MannersGood MemorySensualSense of AdventureWillingness to experience new thingsComfortable in his own skinBlissed out when he is wrapped around mineKindEducatedLoves to be with peopleLoves to be aloneGreat laughExcellent listenerGreat ImaginationTo name a few




DiannaVesta -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 4:57:01 AM)

These are great list ladies!

Maybe someone can describe their perfect day as well. Mine would be...

6am coffee in bed slave kneeling next to bed.

We talk for a little while as he/she rubs my hands, feet. I am a massage whore. A good massage will win me over every time. shhh secret!

Make me breakfast. Makes cappuccino perfectly.
  I go to work in my office. He/she cleans.   I break for lunch on the patio. Everything is perfect all the way down to fresh juice made just the way I like it. He/she kneels by the table waiting for me to finish & we talk about life or things going on that day.   I go back to work a few more hours. I break at 4 with a tap on my office door. My slave has come to fetch me for my afternoon massage. I take a shower or a long hot bath. When I come out a massage. Depending on my mood *other* things might happen.   The rest of the day might sound boring…. Dinner, TV, spending time together or I may go back to work a few more hours. What’s really different about the day that I can’t write about or you don’t see is the dynamic. The underlying things that are constantly happened even when we are not in the same room together.





LadyMorgynn -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 5:00:24 AM)

Since you used the words "perfect" and "dream" in the OP, I'm going to let a little fantasy stray in here :)

The sub of My dreams thinks I am absolutely wonderful. I can see the adoration in his eyes whenever he looks at Me. He likes nothing better than to curl up at My feet in the evenings, leaning against My knee and feeling My fingers stroking his hair. He doesn’t really like doing the household chores, but he knows how much I like My home to be clean, and he gets a deep satisfaction and pleasure from knowing he has lightened My load by doing these things for Me. Therefore, he strives to keep the house in tip-top shape, keeps the pantry and fridge stocked (including putting 64-ounce bottles of water in to chill each night for the next day), the gas tank on the car topped off, all the little things that don’t take a lot of time to do unless left undone, when they begin to assume gigantic proportion. He delights in My walking into the kitchen and exclaiming at the shining counter tops and sink, and is inordinately pleased when I pat his head and proffer a treat... which is a bonus, as just My happiness is enough for him to be over-the-top thrilled.
 
He trusts My judgement implicitly. When he has a problem in any part of his life, he doesn’t hesitate to discuss it with Me, and he values My insights. He enjoys, took, knowing that I value his opinions as well, and that when I myself am in a quandary I will ask for, and respect, his thoughts on the subject. He knows that I value him above everyone in My life (except My daughter, of course) and that I will treasure and protect him, and always look out for his welfare and well-being. He trusts Me to make the right decision for him in all things, even if My reasoning is not immediately apparent to him.

My slave loves to touch Me, and delights in giving Me back rubs, foot massages, hand massages, and so forth. He appreciates the hours I spend working at My computer and willingly brings Me refills on tea or water as I request, and maybe even give Me the occasional (but brief) shoulder massage while I am working. He enjoys being at My side wherever I go. He is as thrilled to trail behind Me and carry My bags, as he is when I have him walk at My side arm-in-arm and tease him about the women admiring his long hair, or his cute butt.

He’s always attentive to My every need, and knows Me well enough to be able to anticipate. Likewise, he knows Me well enough that, when some need/problem arises in My absence, he is able to make a judgement call or decision on his own (and have a pretty good chance of making the right decision). He sits through chick flicks and Lord of the Rings replays with good-natured tolerance even if he doesn’t enjoy them, and always has Kleenex available ;)

He is embarrassed, but also thrilled, that I introduce him to My friends and family as My slave. Likewise, he is embarrassed but loves it when I have My friends over for a coffee, or dinner, or throw a party, and he has to serve everyone (in a maid capacity). At the dungeon parties, he sits at My feet, or otherwise stays at My side, proud and pleased that everyone knows he is My chosen slave. When we go to restaurants, he enjoys that I don’t order him a meal, but feed him little bites from My plate.

My slave sleeps on an Aerobed on the floor at the foot of My bed. When I am displeased with him, he has to sleep in the guest room. My slave is devastated when he has displeased Me, and tries very hard not to do so. My displeasure alone is punishment enough to make him beg forgiveness and strive to do better. This however happens infrequently, because: a) I have trained him well enough to know how to make Me happy, and b) his one desire is to make Me happy.

Okay, so much for dreaming <sigh>




LadyMorgynn -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 5:01:56 AM)

Oh, no joke!  All someone has to do is trail their fingers lightly over my back or shoulder, and I turn into putty!

quote:

ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta
I am a massage whore. A good massage will win me over every time. shhh secret!




LadyMorgynn -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 5:10:56 AM)

Heheheh, I already have this written up to exchange with slaves whom I am considering.  I have them write... well, not a perfect day, but a "normal" Day in their Life as My slave, and then I send mine, and we see how close we come.  Interestingly, a lot of guys who think they want to be slaves, disappear into thin air when I give them this assignment.  It really seems to bring home the minute-by-minute, hour-to-hour reality of 24/7 that they just skim over when fantasizing about it.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta
Maybe someone can describe their perfect day as well.


So here's mine, written for the slave (as a reference, I work at home on the computer as a medical transcriptionist):

Morning
Your cell phone’s alarm goes off, vibrating, to wake you up 30 minutes before Me. You start a pot of hot tea brewing in the Mr. Coffee, then go silently to the second bathroom at the other end of the house, where you shower and shave, and put on the clothes that I chose for you the evening before. You put on an aftershave or cologne from those I bought for you, hoping that I will be pleased with your selection. You fetch My slippers and robe silently from My bathroom and put them into the dryer to warm them. Back in the kitchen, you check to make sure there is iced tea in the fridge. You open a can of cat food and feed the cats.

Next you bring the warmed robe and slippers from the dryer into My bedroom and awaken Me by rubbing My back and shoulders, sitting on the bed beside Me and letting Me curl up around you while I wake up. I wind up draped across your lap while you rub My back, which I like so much! When I’m ready, I sit up, and you put the slippers on My feet, and when I stand, you hold the robe for Me. While I go into the bathroom to make My morning ablutions and put on makeup, etc., you fetch the clothes I indicate, then return to the kitchen and begin making breakfast.

In view of no particular instructions to the contrary, you will make bacon & scrambled eggs; however, I find it a pleasant surprise when My slave takes the initiative to prepare something else to please Me! We will eat breakfast together, and talk over the day’s schedule. You will tell Me what your work day is likely to be like, and I give you instructions for what you may or may not do on your lunch break.

After breakfast, you will do the breakfast dishes, rinsing what we’ve used and putting them in the dishwasher. You make My bed and scoop the cat box, and set the bag of litter outside the front door while I’m checking email. I will have a special account set up for you to receive only email I consider important, i.e. from your family, or your work, and you will be allowed to check this email account.

I allow you to kneel at My feet and worship them for a short while before you leave for work, and send you on your way knowing I am pleased with you.

Early Evening

When you returns home, the first half-hour or so will be divided thusly: You will be expected to spend a minimum of 15-20 minutes with Me, sitting at My feet and rubbing them, and tell Me how your day has been, and I’ll tell you of My day. This will be a relatively "vanilla" discussion, the purpose is to provide you with a transition from your work day where you are The Man, to your real place in the world, which is at My feet. You will then change into the clothing I have chosen, and have 15-20 minutes of "down" time to decompress and make the mental switch from Man to slave.

You prepare dinner or help Me prepare dinner, as instructed, and set the table for dinner. After dinner, you clear the table and clean the kitchen, placing the used dishes in the dishwasher, washing any pan that may not fit, and wiping down the counters. Then you come into the office where I am checking email, and stand behind Me and massage My shoulders for awhile, just because you know I enjoy it. You read my email over My shoulder, and add your input to what I am writing, unless I tell you otherwise.  You are allowed to check your special email account.

We go into the living room, where you build a fire in the fireplace, then set a pot of hot tea brewing. You companion Me, sitting at My feet, or beside Me on the sofa to rub My back, or massage My shoulders or scalp, or even just gently stroke my arms and shoulders. I really, really love being touched! Sometimes I will read, sometimes write on My laptop, sometimes watch a movie. Sometimes I will talk to you, other times you will be silent. Sometimes you will be given something to do (a book to read, a letter to write), other times I will wish you to simply companion Me.

Late Evening

You will draw My bath, as per My preferences, and add bubble bath and bath oil. You will stand, eyes averted, as I disrobe and enter the bath. You will pick up my discarded clothes and take them away, put My robe into the dryer, and return with My nightgown or pajamas, which you will hang carefully on the door. You scrub My back when I am ready, then wait, eyes down, with a warmed towel as I step from my bath, and dry Me off. You will sprinkle scented talc onto Me, and hand Me My nightgown and fetch My robe from the dryer. We go into the bedroom where you will massage lotion into My feet and hands, which are soft and warm from the bath.

We return to the living room, where you continue to companion Me. Late at night, we may have hot cocoa if it’s cold, and/or a snack, which you will prepare. You may be allowed personal time on the computer if you have pleased Me today.

At bedtime, you prepare and lay out our clothes for the following day, per My instructions. You will blow up your Aerobed mattress and make up your bed, then turn down My bed and fluff the pillow as I like it.  You set your cell phone alarm for the following morning, not forgetting to set it to vibrate.

The last thing before we sleep, you will sit beside Me on the bed and rub My back until I am asleep, and then quietly go to bed yourself.




cloudboy -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 6:18:18 AM)

Ladymorgan,

You say "the sub of My dreams thinks I am absolutely wonderful." What is it about you and what you have to offer that would make a sub feel that way? An urge to clean your home because it lighten's your load, rubbing your feet, and feeling lucky that he gets to meet your family and friends doesn't seem very inspirational to me. Rather, it strikes me as a combination of unpaid labor and social escort duties. In my world, this is a far cry from BDSM.




thetammyjo -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 6:33:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Ladymorgan,

You say "the sub of My dreams thinks I am absolutely wonderful." What is it about you and what you have to offer that would make a sub feel that way? An urge to clean your home because it lighten's your load, rubbing your feet, and feeling lucky that he gets to meet your family and friends doesn't seem very inspirational to me. Rather, it strikes me as a combination of unpaid labor and social escort duties. In my world, this is a far cry from BDSM.



I think it sounds more like a slave than a sub in my view of such terms. The slave gets pleasure from being of service, how that happens should have been negotiated out.

Negotiation is rarely part of people's fantasies however.

I don't have a fantasy version of a submissive or a slave really. I have variations on a theme or ideas but if folks want to see that they'd have to read a lot of my fiction.




LadyMorgynn -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 6:34:42 AM)

Where in the rules does it say that D/s has to be about BDSM? 

There are a lot of submissives who live to serve a Dominant; that's what they want, what they crave.  Just because that's not what you want in a D/s relationship, does that mean that others who want something different than you, are wrong?  Hon, you don't have to want what I am offering... .heck, you don't even have to understand it.  You walk a different path, and that's terrific.  More power to you!  But why do you have this need to criticize ME, because I am not offering what you want?

quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Ladymorgan,

You say "the sub of My dreams thinks I am absolutely wonderful." What is it about you and what you have to offer that would make a sub feel that way? An urge to clean your home because it lighten's your load, rubbing your feet, and feeling lucky that he gets to meet your family and friends doesn't seem very inspirational to me. Rather, it strikes me as a combination of unpaid labor and social escort duties. In my world, this is a far cry from BDSM.





DiannaVesta -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 6:41:22 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

Since you used the words "perfect" and "dream" in the OP, I'm going to let a little fantasy stray in here :)

The sub of My dreams thinks I am absolutely wonderful. I can see the adoration in his eyes whenever he looks at Me. He likes nothing better than to curl up at My feet in the evenings, leaning against My knee and feeling My fingers stroking his hair. He doesn’t really like doing the household chores, but he knows how much I like My home to be clean, and he gets a deep satisfaction and pleasure from knowing he has lightened My load by doing these things for Me. Therefore, he strives to keep the house in tip-top shape, keeps the pantry and fridge stocked (including putting 64-ounce bottles of water in to chill each night for the next day), the gas tank on the car topped off, all the little things that don’t take a lot of time to do unless left undone, when they begin to assume gigantic proportion. He delights in My walking into the kitchen and exclaiming at the shining counter tops and sink, and is inordinately pleased when I pat his head and proffer a treat... which is a bonus, as just My happiness is enough for him to be over-the-top thrilled.
 
He trusts My judgement implicitly. When he has a problem in any part of his life, he doesn’t hesitate to discuss it with Me, and he values My insights. He enjoys, took, knowing that I value his opinions as well, and that when I myself am in a quandary I will ask for, and respect, his thoughts on the subject. He knows that I value him above everyone in My life (except My daughter, of course) and that I will treasure and protect him, and always look out for his welfare and well-being. He trusts Me to make the right decision for him in all things, even if My reasoning is not immediately apparent to him.

My slave loves to touch Me, and delights in giving Me back rubs, foot massages, hand massages, and so forth. He appreciates the hours I spend working at My computer and willingly brings Me refills on tea or water as I request, and maybe even give Me the occasional (but brief) shoulder massage while I am working. He enjoys being at My side wherever I go. He is as thrilled to trail behind Me and carry My bags, as he is when I have him walk at My side arm-in-arm and tease him about the women admiring his long hair, or his cute butt.

He’s always attentive to My every need, and knows Me well enough to be able to anticipate. Likewise, he knows Me well enough that, when some need/problem arises in My absence, he is able to make a judgement call or decision on his own (and have a pretty good chance of making the right decision). He sits through chick flicks and Lord of the Rings replays with good-natured tolerance even if he doesn’t enjoy them, and always has Kleenex available ;)

He is embarrassed, but also thrilled, that I introduce him to My friends and family as My slave. Likewise, he is embarrassed but loves it when I have My friends over for a coffee, or dinner, or throw a party, and he has to serve everyone (in a maid capacity). At the dungeon parties, he sits at My feet, or otherwise stays at My side, proud and pleased that everyone knows he is My chosen slave. When we go to restaurants, he enjoys that I don’t order him a meal, but feed him little bites from My plate.

My slave sleeps on an Aerobed on the floor at the foot of My bed. When I am displeased with him, he has to sleep in the guest room. My slave is devastated when he has displeased Me, and tries very hard not to do so. My displeasure alone is punishment enough to make him beg forgiveness and strive to do better. This however happens infrequently, because: a) I have trained him well enough to know how to make Me happy, and b) his one desire is to make Me happy.

Okay, so much for dreaming <sigh>




I love this. Thank for taking the time to write it. I think that most dominant woemn want the same things. I also beleive in my heart that there are men who want to do this. The trick is weeding through the 'dick weeds" and finding the pretty flowers.




sosniagara -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 7:19:50 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

These are great list ladies!

Maybe someone can describe their perfect day as well. Mine would be...

6am coffee in bed slave kneeling next to bed.

We talk for a little while as he/she rubs my hands, feet. I am a massage whore. A good massage will win me over every time. shhh secret!

Make me breakfast. Makes cappuccino perfectly.
  I go to work in my office. He/she cleans.   I break for lunch on the patio. Everything is perfect all the way down to fresh juice made just the way I like it. He/she kneels by the table waiting for me to finish & we talk about life or things going on that day.   I go back to work a few more hours. I break at 4 with a tap on my office door. My slave has come to fetch me for my afternoon massage. I take a shower or a long hot bath. When I come out a massage. Depending on my mood *other* things might happen.   The rest of the day might sound boring…. Dinner, TV, spending time together or I may go back to work a few more hours. What’s really different about the day that I can’t write about or you don’t see is the dynamic. The underlying things that are constantly happened even when we are not in the same room together.




Gulp...wow...Except for the fact that I'm hard to rise in the morning and don't know how to cook bacon and eggs (I'm vegan but not opposed to making it) that sounds like my perfect day as a sub




DiannaVesta -> RE: Your PERFECT sub (4/6/2006 8:01:30 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sosniagara

quote:

ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

These are great list ladies!

Maybe someone can describe their perfect day as well. Mine would be...

6am coffee in bed slave kneeling next to bed.

We talk for a little while as he/she rubs my hands, feet. I am a massage whore. A good massage will win me over every time. shhh secret!

Make me breakfast. Makes cappuccino perfectly.
  I go to work in my office. He/she cleans.   I break for lunch on the patio. Everything is perfect all the way down to fresh juice made just the way I like it. He/she kneels by the table waiting for me to finish & we talk about life or things going on that day.   I go back to work a few more hours. I break at 4 with a tap on my office door. My slave has come to fetch me for my afternoon massage. I take a shower or a long hot bath. When I come out a massage. Depending on my mood *other* things might happen.   The rest of the day might sound boring…. Dinner, TV, spending time together or I may go back to work a few more hours. What’s really different about the day that I can’t write about or you don’t see is the dynamic. The underlying things that are constantly happened even when we are not in the same room together.




Gulp...wow...Except for the fact that I'm hard to rise in the morning and don't know how to cook bacon and eggs (I'm vegan but not opposed to making it) that sounds like my perfect day as a sub


I'm not much an eggs and bacon woman. I prefer fruit, breads, oatmeal with fruit and nuts.







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